Shedeur Sanders Anyone ?

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So he's not very good got it. For now. I'll give him 3 years but he's got a ways to go

Not according to DrL, he looks all world!

Actual quote...

If I valued his opinion that would mean a whole lot lol

I thought he did ok.

Originally posted by English:
I thought he did ok.

I'll say, thankfully for us, their special teams didn't give their offense a chance to get into rhythm.

He's going to have to learn how to play in Cleveland weather though, or for his sake... if a new coach comes in and just cleans house and starts over....he'll get an opportunity else where.

He had a nice off-schedule throw in the Raiders game, but he does seem to be more flight than fight. As Phoenix pointed out, his flight stage has issues, so he probably needs to get a lot better at the fight stuff. His instincts at the very end today weren't great, but could just be the inexperience.

All in all hard to say what it means without some sort of play-by-play breakdown.

No "it" factor observed.

Stefanski pretty clearly went with a bubble-wrapped game plan which is understandable. You don't get to play the Raiders every week though, and you have to put away the full-on training wheels at some point… especially when you have no chance of making the playoffs.

He seems kind of physically weak and sloppy. Might just be slow-twitch or could be lazy.

Pretty much just a "meh" at the moment.

Originally posted by Midbay:
He had a nice off-schedule throw in the Raiders game, but he does seem to be more flight than fight. As Phoenix pointed out, his flight stage has issues, so he probably needs to get a lot better at the fight stuff. His instincts at the very end today weren't great, but could just be the inexperience.

All in all hard to say what it means without some sort of play-by-play breakdown.

No "it" factor observed.

Stefanski pretty clearly went with a bubble-wrapped game plan which is understandable. You don't get to play the Raiders every week though, and you have to put away the full-on training wheels at some point… especially when you have no chance of making the playoffs.

He seems kind of physically weak and sloppy. Might just be slow-twitch or could be lazy.

Pretty much just a "meh" at the moment.

Originally posted by English:
I thought he did ok.

So did I English.

@Midbay, Thankfully for us Stefanski & Co. actually hand-cuffed Shedeur. They should have opened it up a bit more. But thankfully we have better coaching. The "it" factor couldn't be observed due to the Browns excessively conservative gameplan that favored our young and very injured defense (though coordinated by Salah). But even then he showed flashes.

Like I said, I want Shedeur to do well, just not against my beloved 49ers. And thankfully, due to his coaches, he did just ok.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Midbay:
He had a nice off-schedule throw in the Raiders game, but he does seem to be more flight than fight. As Phoenix pointed out, his flight stage has issues, so he probably needs to get a lot better at the fight stuff. His instincts at the very end today weren't great, but could just be the inexperience.

All in all hard to say what it means without some sort of play-by-play breakdown.

No "it" factor observed.

Stefanski pretty clearly went with a bubble-wrapped game plan which is understandable. You don't get to play the Raiders every week though, and you have to put away the full-on training wheels at some point… especially when you have no chance of making the playoffs.

He seems kind of physically weak and sloppy. Might just be slow-twitch or could be lazy.

Pretty much just a "meh" at the moment.

Originally posted by English:
I thought he did ok.

So did I English.

@Midbay, Thankfully for us Stefanski & Co. actually hand-cuffed Shedeur. They should have opened it up a bit more. But thankfully we have better coaching. The "it" factor couldn't be observed due to the Browns excessively conservative gameplan that favored our young and very injured defense (though coordinated by Salah). But even then he showed flashes.

Like I said, I want Shedeur to do well, just not against my beloved 49ers. And thankfully, due to his coaches, he did just ok.

It seems equally possible that Shedeur hand-cuffs Stafanski (and I think Stefanski is overrated). Judkins is the only one that showed actual flashes IMO. He is legit.

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Midbay:
He had a nice off-schedule throw in the Raiders game, but he does seem to be more flight than fight. As Phoenix pointed out, his flight stage has issues, so he probably needs to get a lot better at the fight stuff. His instincts at the very end today weren't great, but could just be the inexperience.

All in all hard to say what it means without some sort of play-by-play breakdown.

No "it" factor observed.

Stefanski pretty clearly went with a bubble-wrapped game plan which is understandable. You don't get to play the Raiders every week though, and you have to put away the full-on training wheels at some point… especially when you have no chance of making the playoffs.

He seems kind of physically weak and sloppy. Might just be slow-twitch or could be lazy.

Pretty much just a "meh" at the moment.

Originally posted by English:
I thought he did ok.

So did I English.

@Midbay, Thankfully for us Stefanski & Co. actually hand-cuffed Shedeur. They should have opened it up a bit more. But thankfully we have better coaching. The "it" factor couldn't be observed due to the Browns excessively conservative gameplan that favored our young and very injured defense (though coordinated by Salah). But even then he showed flashes.

Like I said, I want Shedeur to do well, just not against my beloved 49ers. And thankfully, due to his coaches, he did just ok.

It seems equally possible that Shedeur hand-cuffs Stafanski (and I think Stefanski is overrated). Judkins is the only one that showed actual flashes IMO. He is legit.

You are correct about Judkins. But I don't see how Shedeur hand-cuffed Stafanski. I'm open to hearing the rationale on that.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Midbay:
He had a nice off-schedule throw in the Raiders game, but he does seem to be more flight than fight. As Phoenix pointed out, his flight stage has issues, so he probably needs to get a lot better at the fight stuff. His instincts at the very end today weren't great, but could just be the inexperience.

All in all hard to say what it means without some sort of play-by-play breakdown.

No "it" factor observed.

Stefanski pretty clearly went with a bubble-wrapped game plan which is understandable. You don't get to play the Raiders every week though, and you have to put away the full-on training wheels at some point… especially when you have no chance of making the playoffs.

He seems kind of physically weak and sloppy. Might just be slow-twitch or could be lazy.

Pretty much just a "meh" at the moment.

Originally posted by English:
I thought he did ok.

So did I English.

@Midbay, Thankfully for us Stefanski & Co. actually hand-cuffed Shedeur. They should have opened it up a bit more. But thankfully we have better coaching. The "it" factor couldn't be observed due to the Browns excessively conservative gameplan that favored our young and very injured defense (though coordinated by Salah). But even then he showed flashes.

Like I said, I want Shedeur to do well, just not against my beloved 49ers. And thankfully, due to his coaches, he did just ok.

It seems equally possible that Shedeur hand-cuffs Stafanski (and I think Stefanski is overrated). Judkins is the only one that showed actual flashes IMO. He is legit.

You are correct about Judkins. But I don't see how Shedeur hand-cuffed Stafanski. I'm open to hearing the rationale on that.

I said it seems equally possible that Shedeur hand-cuffs Stafanski, as compared to the assumption that Stafanski is handcuffing Shedeur. Shedeur may simply not be capable of more complexity at this point. We don't know.

Edit: The QB School put together a video after the Raiders game and he was both taken aback by the simple play calling, and by the seeming inability of Shedeur to process the basics in a timely manner. The Browns were luckily playing the Raiders but something was clearly not working at a competent level. I don't think he wanted to point fingers without more information. I think today's game was more of the same.

It is entirely possible that constraining Shedeur gives the Browns the best chance of winning. I don't think too much of Stefanski so he could be the problem. They might both be the problem. I haven't seen anything from Sanders that pushes me to conclude that Stefanski is the bigger problem though.

The weather was awful, Brock handled it better but throwing in wind is tough. Sheduer played pretty well, but looked like a rookie, and not a toolsy one. However he's better than Gabriel. If they can get Mendoza with his size and extra arm strength I'd do it. If he's gone I think Sheduer should get another shot, he can run their offense (until the weather comes)

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
14 for 22
152 yards
1 rushing TD
2 interceptions
1 fumble lost

Go Niners!

He definitely played better than I expected him to. I was pretty close with the completions, attempts and yards, but not the turnovers.

Originally posted by Midbay:
I said it seems equally possible that Shedeur hand-cuffs Stafanski, as compared to the assumption that Stafanski is handcuffing Shedeur. Shedeur may simply not be capable of more complexity at this point. We don't know.

Edit: The QB School put together a video after the Raiders game and he was both taken aback by the simple play calling, and by the seeming inability of Shedeur to process the basics in a timely manner. The Browns were luckily playing the Raiders but something was clearly not working at a competent level. I don't think he wanted to point fingers without more information. I think today's game was more of the same.

It is entirely possible that constraining Shedeur gives the Browns the best chance of winning. I don't think too much of Stefanski so he could be the problem. They might both be the problem. I haven't seen anything from Sanders that pushes me to conclude that Stefanski is the bigger problem though.

I don't think much of Stefanski either, for a variety of reasons. The game plan that I saw yesterday was overly, unnecessarily conservative. It was way too predictable. For the life of me I couldn't understand why our defense didn't face play-action given how well that were running on us. I understand the wind and weather played a major role, but my goodness, that game plan did Shedeur no favors. Now, I like J.T's QB breakdowns. He's pretty on point. One of the things that stood out to me was how often he pointed out play design. I didn't breakdown the Raiders game, but it seemed to me that Shedeur had to overcome play design and poor blocking scheme.

Now, I will say that I didn't get that J.T. felt that Shedeur had a ". . . seeming inability of Shedeur to process the basics in a timely manner." Were there mis-reads? Yes. But it's a rookie in his first start. He isn't exactly gonna come out and look like Tom Brady. J.T. mentioned bad play design and concepts far more than he mentioned processing. Not saying that your take on J.T's breakdown was wrong, just that we see it differently. He was critical of the "drifting", which it seems that he fixed in the game against us. He didn't drift at all against us. Can't wait for his breakdown against us.

Statistically speaking, the Niners were a good match up for a good game.

Weather wise, it wasn't .

he gets another pass from me to see more .

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Statistically speaking, the Niners were a good match up for a good game.

Weather wise, it wasn't .

he gets another pass from me to see more .

Well, they have the Titans at home I think. The Weather Channel says it'll be a high of 33 with only 7% chance of precipitation, and nowhere near as windy as the game with us. Weather will be somewhat of a factor only in that it'll be a little cold. The Browns are a better team than the Titans, so they should win this game. There's no excuse for Stefanski to go in with the conservative game plan that he deployed against us. We wanna see more, but we won't if Stefanski keeps the training wheels on. Stefanski is gonna have to open it up to truly see what they have in Shedeur. Deploying the game plan that he did against us surely won't allow anyone to see what Shedeur can do at this level. At this point in the season what do the Browns have to lose? They're 3-9, and from everything I've read (and seen) the team hasn't checked out.

So like you, I wanna see more. But Stefanski will have to take the handcuffs and training wheels off. Now, I know what some will say: maybe Shedeur isn't capable of running Stefanski's scheme (I would disagree because he ran a very similar scheme under Pat Shurmur to near perfection, with the worst OL). My answer to that will be: then Stefanski should wrap the scheme around Shedeur and what Shedeur does best to give him the best chance to succeed. To this point, Stefanski has not done that.

The league said that he's nothing more than a 5th round talent (you know I disagree). Stefanski's actions told us that he felt - right or wrong - that Dillan Gabriel was the better QB. So I say open things up, tailor the offence around Shedeur, and let him prove the league and Stefanski right . . . . . or wrong

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Well, they have the Titans at home I think. The Weather Channel says it'll be a high of 33 with only 7% chance of precipitation, and nowhere near as windy as the game with us. Weather will be somewhat of a factor only in that it'll be a little cold. The Browns are a better team than the Titans, so they should win this game. There's no excuse for Stefanski to go in with the conservative game plan that he deployed against us. We wanna see more, but we won't if Stefanski keeps the training wheels on. Stefanski is gonna have to open it up to truly see what they have in Shedeur. Deploying the game plan that he did against us surely won't allow anyone to see what Shedeur can do at this level. At this point in the season what do the Browns have to lose? They're 3-9, and from everything I've read (and seen) the team hasn't checked out.

So like you, I wanna see more. But Stefanski will have to take the handcuffs and training wheels off. Now, I know what some will say: maybe Shedeur isn't capable of running Stefanski's scheme (I would disagree because he ran a very similar scheme under Pat Shurmur to near perfection, with the worst OL). My answer to that will be: then Stefanski should wrap the scheme around Shedeur and what Shedeur does best to give him the best chance to succeed. To this point, Stefanski has not done that.

The league said that he's nothing more than a 5th round talent (you know I disagree). Stefanski's actions told us that he felt - right or wrong - that Dillan Gabriel was the better QB. So I say open things up, tailor the offence around Shedeur, and let him prove the league and Stefanski right . . . . . or wrong

I saw the replay on what should have been a safety.

had an easy open WR on out route

cant find replay. But left outside WR ran a go creating space. Left slot ran an out and was clearly open as defender peeled off to cover fannin in crossing route. Shadeur was staring at fannin

so I'd assume play design was option 1 Fannin and option 2 out route

the wr running out route had awful body language when he didn't get throw. Can't tell if it was jeudy

different play but another huge miss


FWIW I still believe in his arm talent. He should have been a 3rd round guy. A guy with a B+ overall arm (release, power, accuracy) with D level technique (footwork, reading D, pocket awareness)

DG I honestly didn't think was an nfl guy really. Short game rpo qb? Huh?