QB Sam Darnold is a Viking

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

Only objective posters write off players after 3 games.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I agree that there is a chance, but I will have to see Darnold erase the wtf plays before I'm sold. I think he has a better chance than Trey of having success in this offense but as of now he still sucks

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I agree that there is a chance, but I will have to see Darnold erase the wtf plays before I'm sold. I think he has a better chance than Trey of having success in this offense but as of now he still sucks

Throw on the tape he is an exciting player. All you need is to be a capable QB who knows what to do one play to the next and you can win with this offense. The O will carry him. Trust me if guys are running free, if he has open looks, there aren't gonna be turnovers. Explain how you get a TO with ppl open, just put it on em, it's not hard.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I agree that there is a chance, but I will have to see Darnold erase the wtf plays before I'm sold. I think he has a better chance than Trey of having success in this offense but as of now he still sucks

Throw on the tape he is an exciting player. All you need is to be a capable QB who knows what to do one play to the next and you can win with this offense. The O will carry him. Trust me if guys are running free, if he has open looks, there aren't gonna be turnovers. Explain how you get a TO with ppl open, just put it on em, it's not hard.

It's what he does. He's had these problems since college. He can look great all drive, then one sign of pressure and he forces a dumb pass

That's been a major problem for him and it's something he will have to get through on his own. Surrounding him with Deebo and the guys won't stop that from happening

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

But if Purdy is starting and healthy, and Trey can't get any meaningful game reps, wouldn't it be better to trade him (for him and the Niners)? Assuming we get at least a 1st, of course.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

But if Purdy is starting and healthy, and Trey can't get any meaningful game reps, wouldn't it be better to trade him (for him and the Niners)? Assuming we get at least a 1st, of course.

Brock took a lot of hard hits.. we may need to keep all 4 QBs

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

But if Purdy is starting and healthy, and Trey can't get any meaningful game reps, wouldn't it be better to trade him (for him and the Niners)? Assuming we get at least a 1st, of course.

Purdy isn't back yet, and won't be for some time. By the time we find out BPs status, I think it will be pretty close to week 1. So we kinda have to hold TL and SD, until that time, in the event he has any setbacks. Also, there is the dress 3 QB rule, which is our rule, so if BP is back, we simply dress all 3 anyway.

TL is under contract, so whatever deal you could get, you could probably get TLs services in 2023, and lord knows we have needed QB depth in the Shanny era. Then you can still make whatever deal you want in the 2024 offseason. If he plays at all, and does well, your deal may just get better comp in return, than it would now.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

Usually for the QBs that eventually gets it after time of mediocrity it's usually a result in better coaching and/or roster. In your Alex scenario it was both.

Clearly we can't say Trey has had time of mediocrity because he's barely played. However, he already has the coaching and roster. His improvements require getting it in an area he's been working on for 4+ years. An area I personally don't feel it's going to happen. Definitely not to the point where I have confidence in him playing anywhere close to what Brock has shown.

With Brock the question is can he maintain his level of play from last year. With Trey we are HOPING he can eventually get to Jimmy's level

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

Usually for the QBs that eventually gets it after time of mediocrity it's usually a result in better coaching and/or roster. In your Alex scenario it was both.

Clearly we can't say Trey has had time of mediocrity because he's barely played. However, he already has the coaching and roster. His improvements require getting it in an area he's been working on for 4+ years. An area I personally don't feel it's going to happen. Definitely not to the point where I have confidence in him playing anywhere close to what Brock has shown.

With Brock the question is can he maintain his level of play from last year. With Trey we are HOPING he can eventually get to Jimmy's level

Akilex Smith never became good, he only became an average QB.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

Usually for the QBs that eventually gets it after time of mediocrity it's usually a result in better coaching and/or roster. In your Alex scenario it was both.

Clearly we can't say Trey has had time of mediocrity because he's barely played. However, he already has the coaching and roster. His improvements require getting it in an area he's been working on for 4+ years. An area I personally don't feel it's going to happen. Definitely not to the point where I have confidence in him playing anywhere close to what Brock has shown.

With Brock the question is can he maintain his level of play from last year. With Trey we are HOPING he can eventually get to Jimmy's level

This is why I feel Darnold can get it. He has a better roster and better coaching. For Trey, I don't feel we drafted who he was, more who he could become. He may just need time to sit down and work on his mechanics, get everything down and committed to muscle memory. I'm fine if he sits year 3. To your point, he needs to be able to put it where he wants with consistency.

I don't want to be a debbie downer on Brock, but I can't just assume he will be playing week 1 and dominating for 17 games with zero issues from the injury. I'm not there yet. That was a very significant injury, and he's lost a big chunk of his offseason development already, more than likely. He'll probably be fine but I want to see it before I believe it or bank on it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I don't disagree with anything here, but the reality is it is unlikely either Lance or Darnold will be major, positive, contributors this coming season. Competently fill in for a game, or a couple of games, if Purdy isn't healthy… sure.

That being said we're talking about a backup and a 3rd string QB. I would trade either one (and obviously keep the other) for an elite pass rushing talent. A talent like that could make a dramatic impact this season.

*To me, this is just hypothetical anyway as I wouldn't expect a trade*

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last year

If we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Really? Some say Sam only needs the right coaching, while those who say Trey sucks based off the limited playing time he's had are clearly biased. Sam has done quite a lot at the NFL level to show that he may not turn out great, while Trey hasn't even had 1/4 season. Imagine throwing Peyton Manning on the scrap heap after his first 4 starts. Ignorant.

Peyton Manning had a whole lot of experience. Trey Lance has one year in college, then sat out a year, started two games in 2021 and 1 game and 1 drive in 2022. With all that missed time, Trey Lance isn't gonna just come out firing like Peyton Manning did. Also Peyton Manning took over a 3-13 team, while Lance is the project playing on a playoff team. In the end horrible comparison.

If we had Peyton Manning this fanbase would call him a bust just the same.

And at least there would be data to back that up vs a 3 game sample size with Trey.

The only objective take is there's not enough data for Trey, but it's hard to acknowledge that when you're biased as some of these posters are.

Where did I say Bust?? Even if I said he sucks doesn't mean I'm calling him a bust. Him not being worth three 1st round picks isn't calling him a bust.

You would think as much as you guys think Jimmy sucks, Trey Lance Mr laser rocket arm who can scramble like a gazelle could've easily taken the job from him. Now as right now he hasn't distance himself from Darnold or Purdy.

I'm glad you admit that you said Trey sucks.

Because I'm happy to admit I've never said Jimmy sucks... not once.

BTW I never said you called Trey a bust.

Thank you for proving my point even further!

Um where did I say he sucks now?

Reading comprehension prevents you from proving your own point. Lol