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Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here

What isn't overly dramatic around here? Nothing about that should've had 9moon banned. If you disagree move on to the next post.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
He's supposedly a DB guy, I'm hoping to see what he can do with our Dbs.

Maybe, not having them play 10 yards off every receiver.

He appears to be polar opposite to what the 49ers did last year.

The 49ers cover passing windows by bracketing over the top with DBs and underneath with LBers and sometimes safeties, but they cover an area quiet often....

From what I have seen, Wilks zones are tight and they cover the player.

I saw a quote somewhere that he said we don't cover "grass", something the 49ers did a lot of last season.

So I expect you will get your wish.

For the record, I think Wilks is going to take risks. He has guys undercut routs a fair bit, someone is going to get burned eventually, but I do think 3rd and 7 is going to be safer under Wilks.

Please dear God let this be a true statement. I can't even remember how many times I've yelled that at the screen the past few seasons.

Ive been yelling that since Saleh took over. Our guys cover grass and not the players in the zone. Amen to that
I think it's possible we see an increase in defensive performance by now bringing in an experienced DC. Saleh an Ryan's we're great but they were young and less experienced coaches benefitting from having such a loaded all pro roster on D. Wilks has the potential to take this D to another level an unlock potential that saleh an Ryan we're possibly not able to unlock.

I like the focus on secondary hes had too hopefully we can translate that into better secondary play for us.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
He's supposedly a DB guy, I'm hoping to see what he can do with our Dbs.

Maybe, not having them play 10 yards off every receiver.

He appears to be polar opposite to what the 49ers did last year.

The 49ers cover passing windows by bracketing over the top with DBs and underneath with LBers and sometimes safeties, but they cover an area quiet often....

From what I have seen, Wilks zones are tight and they cover the player.

I saw a quote somewhere that he said we don't cover "grass", something the 49ers did a lot of last season.

So I expect you will get your wish.

For the record, I think Wilks is going to take risks. He has guys undercut routs a fair bit, someone is going to get burned eventually, but I do think 3rd and 7 is going to be safer under Wilks.

Please dear God let this be a true statement. I can't even remember how many times I've yelled that at the screen the past few seasons.

LoL @ expecting a "New" and "Improved" defense next season.

Good luck with that.
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here

for one thing Phoenix was the one who went over dramatic..

I was answering a question about Purdy and Lance... and my opinion is that, with the injury and possible surgery plus rehab, " he was done" as far as competing in 2023 season.. and again, that was my opinion.. suddenly i was under the 24 hour TO because my opinion?

I don't know how he treats other posters who doesn't support the players or the coaches he likes, but each freakin time he sees a post of mine that he doesn't like, he puts me on a time out.. he even once placed me on a TO during the draft because I was suggesting a player we should draft and he did not like it..

then to top it off, English, won't even PM me back each time I have questions..
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here

What isn't overly dramatic around here? Nothing about that should've had 9moon banned. If you disagree move on to the next post.

Thank you @ Lamontb...

This is exactly what I'm complaining about . .. especially about Phoenix... he his buddy English have yet to explain how they TO someone for having a different opinion than their own..

All I got was " walk your dog come back tomorrow, have a coke and a smile " from Phoenix...
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Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
He's supposedly a DB guy, I'm hoping to see what he can do with our Dbs.

Maybe, not having them play 10 yards off every receiver.

He appears to be polar opposite to what the 49ers did last year.

The 49ers cover passing windows by bracketing over the top with DBs and underneath with LBers and sometimes safeties, but they cover an area quiet often....

From what I have seen, Wilks zones are tight and they cover the player.

I saw a quote somewhere that he said we don't cover "grass", something the 49ers did a lot of last season.

So I expect you will get your wish.

For the record, I think Wilks is going to take risks. He has guys undercut routs a fair bit, someone is going to get burned eventually, but I do think 3rd and 7 is going to be safer under Wilks.

Please dear God let this be a true statement. I can't even remember how many times I've yelled that at the screen the past few seasons.

I might still have the tabs open on my home PC, ill link the articles if I can find them. It was only like 10 or so interviews and 10 or so YouTube videos that I found and only a few of them talk about this.

Yeah, Wilks absolutely said he is not a fan of covering grass....and yes..... Wilks is a low shoulder guru. It is the opposite of what we did last year.

There is good and there is bad to that. So it is not "better" all the time.

I rather liked our flat footed coverage last year for the most part. The idea is you wait as long as possible to move, and that gives your DL as much time to get in the QB's area before he can "read" the defense. Having a presence in the passing lanes screws up the WR's rout trees and causes miscommunication between the WR and the QB. It forced a ton of check downs this season and it clearly worked as a defensive principle. Of course we all saw what happened on 3rd and moderate distance, slow to move also mean slow to cover. That along with coverage confusion is the trade off to covering "grass".

There might be a modern fancy term these days for low shoulder coverage, but what I see in a lot of Wilks YouTube videos is the Defensive backs keying right at the break( IE the dipping--low-- shoulder) of the WR/TE/RB and coming across the offensive player. It is hella aggressive to be that tight on the ball and to break that hard, and it should in theory lead to a big uptick in interceptions and batted balls. It basically resembles fronting a player in Basketball. The down siding being biting on double moves and of course if you miss your giving up YAC most likely. With the way this defense swarms to the ball, it seems like a gamble worth using at times.

The big caveat to this, I have not watched tons of games, mostly YouTube stuff that has been curated to make a point, So I am hardly a Wilks expert or CB expert or any such thing ( full discloser I was a terrible CB and got moved to Linebacker, of course these days the just call pass interference "coverage"). I saw what the YouTubers wanted me to see, but even the very small sample size shows stuff we simply don't do very often.

Me personally, I am on the fence. What we saw last year worked on the large scale, but the down side to actually defending the ball is probably mitigated a ton by the talent on the defense. These guys swarm tackle. There is a ton of closing speed on this defense, and we already have a Linebacker you can leave on an island and one of the most instinctual SS in the entire league....plus the defense will likely get faster next year ( I expect we get a sideline to sideline FS from somewhere to meet Wilks needs) So going for the ball seems like a smart change to make.

About 'not covering grass', all teams pattern match nowadays so the entire concept of not covering grass isn't new, but how aggressive a defense is with pattern matching can vary. In my observation, the 49ers were not aggressive with pattern matching last season. I don't know if Moseley's injury and/or Huf's inexperience had anything to do with that. Perhaps Ryans and Undlin didn't have experience teaching it.
When Fangio was here, I thought he was on the aggressive side with pattern matching. Here is a good example that I found a long time ago, but I think it illustrates what I mean.
This frame here looks like Cover3. Or at least, the 49ers start off the play in some form of zone with 4 underneath, and 3 deep.


But looking at the last few frames of this gif, it looks like man coverage. This is aggressive pattern matching from a three deep shell.
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by All22:
Sam Darnold as a 3rd QB would be great.

I would rather draft a rookie because we have people to pay. For a QB3 I always want a young guy

Unfortunately, we need someone ready to step in at a moments notice and we don't know how Brock is going to recover
Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by All22:
Sam Darnold as a 3rd QB would be great.

I would rather draft a rookie because we have people to pay. For a QB3 I always want a young guy

Unfortunately, we need someone ready to step in at a moments notice and we don't know how Brock is going to recover

I doubt Darnold is taking a QB3 contract when he would definitely be someone's QB2 and may even find a spot where he at least might feel like he's competing for QB1.
Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by All22:
Sam Darnold as a 3rd QB would be great.

I would rather draft a rookie because we have people to pay. For a QB3 I always want a young guy

Unfortunately, we need someone ready to step in at a moments notice and we don't know how Brock is going to recover

Probably be Josh Johnson. We won't have people knocking down our door to be #3, despite the way Kyle made the last guy that held that position look.
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Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here

What isn't overly dramatic around here? Nothing about that should've had 9moon banned. If you disagree move on to the next post.

Thank you @ Lamontb...

This is exactly what I'm complaining about . .. especially about Phoenix... he his buddy English have yet to explain how they TO someone for having a different opinion than their own..

All I got was " walk your dog come back tomorrow, have a coke and a smile " from Phoenix...

When the main thread is frequently being taken off-topic, and friendly PMs are not effecting change, then other actions may be taken. It is rarely about just having a "different opinion."

For example, your off-topic comment about your TO inserted into this thread... It gets very tiresome.
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here

What isn't overly dramatic around here? Nothing about that should've had 9moon banned. If you disagree move on to the next post.

Thank you @ Lamontb...

This is exactly what I'm complaining about . .. especially about Phoenix... he his buddy English have yet to explain how they TO someone for having a different opinion than their own..

All I got was " walk your dog come back tomorrow, have a coke and a smile " from Phoenix...

When the main thread is frequently being taken off-topic, and friendly PMs are not effecting change, then other actions may be taken. It is rarely about just having a "different opinion."

For example, your off-topic comment about your TO inserted into this thread... It gets very tiresome.

Tiresome to who - that's very subjective.

When I pm the mods, no one replies back.. so once in a while, i need to use this.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I'm pretty sure he worked around what he had w/those teams and made the best out of it.. Here, it'll be more on the man type coverage and Huff will be roaming the field the way Troy did..

By the way... you and English have yet to explain why I was put on a TO by posting " Purdy's Done... "

Can you both be transparent about it instead of PMing me with a lame excuse?

It just sounds overly dramatic. Dude is 23 and he will be back. He just has no offseason but if you say that it sounds like something that could start a riot around here

What isn't overly dramatic around here? Nothing about that should've had 9moon banned. If you disagree move on to the next post.

Thank you @ Lamontb...

This is exactly what I'm complaining about . .. especially about Phoenix... he his buddy English have yet to explain how they TO someone for having a different opinion than their own..

All I got was " walk your dog come back tomorrow, have a coke and a smile " from Phoenix...

When the main thread is frequently being taken off-topic, and friendly PMs are not effecting change, then other actions may be taken. It is rarely about just having a "different opinion."

For example, your off-topic comment about your TO inserted into this thread... It gets very tiresome.

Tiresome to who - that's very subjective.

When I pm the mods, no one replies back.. so once in a while, i need to use this.

100% understandable.

Now back to football (IMO).
I wonder if he could be our Spags. KC has Spags and I call him Spags like many cuz it's too long of an actual last name. He's a great DC but he bombed as HC and that makes him almost unpoachable cuz he's not a good HC, but an elite DC. So maybe we can have a good run here with Steve.
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