Drake Jackson-DE-USC, 2nd Round 2022 Draft

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
How many high draft picks will this FO blow? Dear Lord it's pathetic.

this is like an end of day 2 pick. come on now

Round 2 waste, how can you defend that. Es[ecially after they drafted Kinlaw too.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
How many high draft picks will this FO blow? Dear Lord it's pathetic.

this is like an end of day 2 pick. come on now

Round 2 waste, how can you defend that. Es[ecially after they drafted Kinlaw too.

Those are coincident, not causal. They should be judged separately. They are joined only in the sense that injuries prevented them from achieving the expected results here. It is worth noting that Kinlaw has become an effective player with another team though not at the level we expected.

As to Jackson; he has not had time to fully recover from injury and develop into the player everyone hoped he would be. He may still reach a good level of effectiveness but the delay has resulted in the team being forced to use his roster spot for another. If he comes back, which I hope he does, it will be for a lower cost.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Round 2 waste, how can you defend that. Es[ecially after they drafted Kinlaw too.

There have been a combined 4 probowler between rounds 2-4 of that draft. Do you think the niners are magically the only team to miss? Every player drafted performed well in college and it's a roll of the dice if they can translate to nfl

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Bill Walsh whiffed on a few first round picks as well. However, with others like Ronnie Lott and Jerry Rice, he hit absolute gold. So, Walsh isn't remembered for the first round draft busts that include James Owens (actually the first pick in the 2nd Round of 1979), Ken MacAfee and Earl Cooper (to a degree).

But I do agree, Shanahan has been horrible with his picks in the first round. The absolute worst decision of all time was trading up for Trey Lance.

Not dismissing the mistakes but ...

Walsh had to deal with an explosion of drug use that made drafts far more volatile. Shanny/Lynch had the joys of Covid to deal with.

And I don't hold the decision makers responsible for injuries that derail careers. Players with big injury histories have come into the NFL and dominated and had long careers and some players with no injury history have crapped out quick in the NFL with a few injuries. I was reminded today of Chris Borland ... a 3rd round pick, had a great rookie season and retired ... can't blame the front office for that.

In the case of Jackson, he didn't seem like he was worth it at the time he was picked, but looking back that was a weak draft at DE at that point. Of course we can always do that with every player who fails.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
How many high draft picks will this FO blow? Dear Lord it's pathetic.

this is like an end of day 2 pick. come on now

Round 2 waste, how can you defend that. Es[ecially after they drafted Kinlaw too.

And yet many posters get all excited and think Kocurek is some miracle worker. Think because we have Kocurek he can fix what all these players are lacking.

He wasn't here for Solomon Thomas draft but had 2 years with him. Had Kinlaw. Had Drake. Where was the miracle worker for those guys?
Posters hang their hat on Ziggy.

Originally posted by krizay:
And yet many posters get all excited and think Kocurek is some miracle worker. Think because we have Kocurek he can fix what all these players are lacking.

He wasn't here for Solomon Thomas draft but had 2 years with him. Had Kinlaw. Had Drake. Where was the miracle worker for those guys?
Posters hang their hat on Ziggy.

Coach can't coach you out of injuries. That said, there are no miracle worker coaches. If the player isn't mentally ready to do the job nothing the coach does is going to matter.

Jackson tore his PCL. More players don't come back from that type of injury than those who are able to come back.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
How many high draft picks will this FO blow? Dear Lord it's pathetic.

this is like an end of day 2 pick. come on now

Round 2 waste, how can you defend that. Es[ecially after they drafted Kinlaw too.

And yet many posters get all excited and think Kocurek is some miracle worker. Think because we have Kocurek he can fix what all these players are lacking.

He wasn't here for Solomon Thomas draft but had 2 years with him. Had Kinlaw. Had Drake. Where was the miracle worker for those guys?
Posters hang their hat on Ziggy.

Who was Arden Key before he got to the 49ers? Charles Omenihu? Ebukam?

No coach hits with every player. The thing that is different with Williams, Collins, and West is that there is a very clear floor with those guys. They all should be functional starters- even if they never become stars.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Who was Arden Key before he got to the 49ers? Charles Omenihu? Ebukam?

No coach hits with every player. The thing that is different with Williams, Collins, and West is that there is a very clear floor with those guys. They all should be functional starters- even if they never become stars.

Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Who was Arden Key before he got to the 49ers? Charles Omenihu? Ebukam?

No coach hits with every player. The thing that is different with Williams, Collins, and West is that there is a very clear floor with those guys. They all should be functional starters- even if they never become stars.

Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

Lol

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

This couldn't be more wrong

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Who was Arden Key before he got to the 49ers? Charles Omenihu? Ebukam?

No coach hits with every player. The thing that is different with Williams, Collins, and West is that there is a very clear floor with those guys. They all should be functional starters- even if they never become stars.

Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

You left off Key. As for Omenihu, teams typically don't trade away ends still on their rookie deal for 6th round picks. Charles Omenihu himself says he got better by playing here. Ebukam has echoed similar things. Kerry Hyder also was at his best under Coach K.

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

Disagree

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Who was Arden Key before he got to the 49ers? Charles Omenihu? Ebukam?

No coach hits with every player. The thing that is different with Williams, Collins, and West is that there is a very clear floor with those guys. They all should be functional starters- even if they never become stars.

Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

wrong! The money they got after playing under coach K proves that he made them better.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Who was Arden Key before he got to the 49ers? Charles Omenihu? Ebukam?

No coach hits with every player. The thing that is different with Williams, Collins, and West is that there is a very clear floor with those guys. They all should be functional starters- even if they never become stars.

Lol charles and Sam were the same players they were before they got here. It's just that unless you played in a 32 team dynasty league you like never heard of them. Had they never played for SF you still wouldn't have. Not saying they didn't contribute cause they did. But they were the same players they had been

wrong! The money they got after playing under coach K proves that he made them better.

Omenihu
2019(R) HOU 13 tackles, 3 sacks, 5 QB hits, 2 TFL
2020 HOU 17 tackles, 4 sacks, 16 QB hits, 5 TFL
2022 SF. 20 tackles, 4.5 sacks,16 QB hits, 3 TFL

Ebukam
2019 Rams 48 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 10 QB hits, 5 TFL
2020 Rams 31 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 7 QB hits, 3 TFL
2021 SF 38 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 11 QB hits, 5 TFL
2022 SF 36 tackles, 5 sacks, 13 QB hits, 7 TFL

To me those are very similar numbers to what they were before they got here.