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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Pointing out a clear weakness isn't saying he sucks overall or we shouldn't resign him going forward or that he couldn't start on the mass majority of NFL teams. But there's a reason they went out and got two G's who's primary strength is...pass protection. This may also be Tomlinson's last year here too. The coaches watched their entire season go down the drain, twice, because of the same guy (although everyone still blames Jimmy). Give me another example of an OL sending their QB to I.R. twice in the same season.

Cesar Ruiz. Back to back weeks got his QB literally killed, despite playing with the best OL in football and a HOF QB. Brees playing with collapsed lung and broken ribs from the previous week when he gave up the kill shot ending ending his season against the niners as an encore

One time. And he's a rookie playing out of position in a COVID year.

PS: That was brutal though. LOL
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Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Exaclty! Why will lance automatically get hurt because Tomlinson missed a block that got Jimmy hurt?

Because that's his consistent weakness despite playing next to HOF LT's his entire career and he put our QB on I.R. twice by himself last year from that same area of weakness. At this point, he is what he is, and the QB behind him isn't going to change that. That doesn't guarentee he WILL get Lance hurt but he's certainly going to compete with McGlinchey at increasing those odds.

He wasn't the 1st guard nor will he be the last to miss a block or get beat by a pass rusher. I would argue most teams would rather have him than their weakest starting guard. Either way, you can't blame an Olineman for a QB injury. Like my Devey point, there are plenty of terrible guards that have never had a QB miss games on their watch. Russell Wilson, who never gets hurt, would love to have Tomlison as his LG.

Pointing out a clear weakness isn't saying he sucks overall or we shouldn't resign him going forward or that he couldn't start on the mass majority of NFL teams. But there's a reason they went out and got two G's who's primary strength is...pass protection. This may also be Tomlinson's last year here too. The coaches watched their entire season go down the drain, twice, because of the same guy (although everyone still blames Jimmy). Give me another example of an OL sending their QB to I.R. twice in the same season.

Now you are just being disingenuous. You know darn well that the IR rules were different last year. Can you give me another example of a CB playing week 1, going on IR, returning, getting and INT, and then going back on IR? You also know, that the 2nd trip to IR was because of how he was throwing in the Miami game and not because of how Tomlinson was blocking. I agree that the team's hope is for both of the rookies to win starting jobs so our Oline continuity will be there for years to come, but I am pretty confident that neither will unseat a healthy Tomlinson this year.

I'm simply saying had a CB (cough, Emmanuel Moseley, cough) gave up a monster play fans would be all over him. But if a G who's known for poor pass protection already puts his QB on I.R. twice in one season causing the team to miss the playoffs, fans ignore it. Hell, Mike McGlinchey got more beef from fans than Tomlinson (granted, he did give up some kill shots too).

I guarantee you fans won't ignore it if it happens to Lance. I just think it's odd. That's all. If that doesn't bother you, there's literally nothing an OL can do that's going to bother you or raise red flags. Those are just very very low standards. I'm happy to see ShanaLynch start to raise those. Very happy.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 5, 2021 at 4:44 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Who said Jimmy's ACL was due to Tomlinson?

No way to spin the two last year. You saw the video numerous times. It's OK to admit LT got beat badly. It happens.

You said this...so yeah not sure what else you would be trying to blame on just him?

The coaches watched their entire season go down the drain, twice, because of the same guy.

I never said LT didn't miss that block. It was also a low hit. You're the one that said he was constantly at the bottom of PFF PBLK, which isn't true.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 5, 2021 at 4:52 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Who said Jimmy's ACL was due to Tomlinson?

No way to spin the two last year. You saw the video numerous times. It's OK to admit LT got beat badly. It happens.

You said this...so yeah not sure what else you would be trying to blame on just him?

The coaches watched their entire season go down the drain, twice, because of the same guy.

Yeah, Tomlinson got Jimmy hurt twice last year and put on I.R. both times.

As to the ACL, yes, he was instantly flushed out from poor pass protection but that was on him in the end.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 5, 2021 at 4:46 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Tomlinson got Jimmy hurt twice last year and put on I.R. both times.

As to the ACL, yes, he was instantly flushed out from poor pass protection but that was on him in the end.

Interestingly enough,...other blockers have gotten beat at least twice and didn't "put" their QBs on I.R.

What is this unique blocking method Tomlinson uses that goes against how he is coached and puts QBs on I.R.? Because looking at the 31 other teams, we take the durability/escapability of the player into consideration as well when he's hurt over and over again instead of just finding a blocker to fingerpoint towards.
[ Edited by random49er on May 5, 2021 at 4:54 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Tomlinson got Jimmy hurt twice last year and put on I.R. both times.

As to the ACL, yes, he was instantly flushed out from poor pass protection but that was on him in the end.

Show me the second time also there's plenty of "missed blocks" from IOL that don't result in their QB being put on IR.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 5, 2021 at 5:03 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Tomlinson got Jimmy hurt twice last year and put on I.R. both times.

As to the ACL, yes, he was instantly flushed out from poor pass protection but that was on him in the end.

Interestingly enough,...other blockers have gotten beat at least twice and didn't "put" their QBs on I.R.

What is this unique blocking method Tomlinson uses that goes against how he is coached and puts QBs on I.R.? Because looking at the 31 other teams, we take the durability/escapability of the player into consideration as well when he's hurt over and over again instead of just finding a blocker to fingerpoint towards.

Haha. It's not that technical...just let the big man in front of you go. Neither were on Jimmy here though. Insta-I.R.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Tomlinson got Jimmy hurt twice last year and put on I.R. both times.

As to the ACL, yes, he was instantly flushed out from poor pass protection but that was on him in the end.

Show me the second time also there's plenty of "missed blocks" from IOL that don't result in their QB being put on IR.

No need. JD's showed you several times. In various threads. You dismiss those too.
Anyhow, can't wait to see Big Banks play this year. Hopefully there's more of a regular off season to get him up to speed.
Originally posted by NCommand:
No need. JD's showed you several times. In various threads. You dismiss those too.

Show me...JD also said Jimmy was a top 5 QB in the league and yet here we are
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 5, 2021 at 5:16 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
One time. And he's a rookie playing out of position in a COVID year.

PS: That was brutal though. LOL

Lol it wasn't one time. He did it back to back weeks .
Ruiz was drafted in the 1st round as C who could and probably would play G along side with the best OL in football and a HOF QB who is one of best QBs ever at navigating the pocket . No excuse. And if we are making excuses, then we should apply those same excuses to Brunskill.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
One time. And he's a rookie playing out of position in a COVID year.

PS: That was brutal though. LOL

Lol it wasn't one time. He did it back to back weeks .
Ruiz was drafted in the 1st round as C who could and probably would play G along side with the best OL in football and a HOF QB who is one of best QBs ever at navigating the pocket . No excuse. And if we are making excuses, then we should apply those same excuses to Brunskill.

No excuses at all. He literally got Brees killed. LOL. I ain't mad. But he didn't put him on I.R. twice in one year.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
No need. JD's showed you several times. In various threads. You dismiss those too.

Show me...JD also said Jimmy was a top 5 QB in the league and yet here we are

I recommend searching the JG and Offensive Line thread. Or just ask him. Those are pretty deeply buried by now.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
One time. And he's a rookie playing out of position in a COVID year.

PS: That was brutal though. LOL

Lol it wasn't one time. He did it back to back weeks .
Ruiz was drafted in the 1st round as C who could and probably would play G along side with the best OL in football and a HOF QB who is one of best QBs ever at navigating the pocket . No excuse. And if we are making excuses, then we should apply those same excuses to Brunskill.

No excuses at all. He literally got Brees killed. LOL. I ain't mad. But he didn't put him on I.R. twice in one year.

lol you just made a list of excuses.
He got his ribs broken and lung collapsed the previous week then finished the job the next week by breaking the rest. But yeah let's argue semantics lol
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on May 5, 2021 at 5:30 PM ]
This dude better not be a Joshua Garnett type, soft.
[ Edited by corona55569 on May 5, 2021 at 7:34 PM ]
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