Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice still and explanation. I know it's becoming taboo to comp Lance with Kap, but look at the difference when it comes to the release point. That over the head release that Lance has allows for more arc on the trajectory when needed.

Also Trey's deep ball was considered a "plus" by pretty much every scouting report I read.

The inconsistent accuracy I think was largely due to a slight "bounce" in his mechanics as he throws from what I'm going to call "the standard base". As in he's in the pocket and generally waiting in place to throw (not on the run). To clarify, his hip and eye level go down slightly as he goes to throw. JTO and Hammer I believe both call this out in their game tape reviews. I didn't see it in his pro days and know it's something he's worked on over the last 6 months.

Incidentally, he looks fantastic throwing on the run when the bounce really can't be a thing any more.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
yeah no way. I don't believe it.

I think Atlanta and Denver were in play.

The Panthers before trading for Darnold as well.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
although right here the forward part of the delivery is good looking mechanics, hand is near his body, elbow over the top, driving off the lead foot... the shoulder tilt is fine, usually shorter guys do this to get more pop on the ball taller guys are more level, but either way is fine but a little tilt gives better arc and more touch when needed

Nice still and explanation. I know it's becoming taboo to comp Lance with Kap, but look at the difference when it comes to the release point. That over the head release that Lance has allows for more arc on the trajectory when needed. Lance simply has a smoother, more natural looking release and throwing motion.

It's not even close, Lance is a much much more natural thrower.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It doesn't get much better than this from Trey Lance. #49ers pic.twitter.com/iJxkuzplER

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) April 30, 2021

dropped in the bucket.. something we have been missing from our QBs

Originally posted by IceMan1763:
I also feel like Derek Carr having decent NFL success points to the Texans ruining David behind a bad offensive line. I mean can they really be that different as prospects? Physically I feel like they're quite similar.

They're different QB's, but yeah, I do agree with the Texans ruining David Carr with that oline.

But all in all, the point of my post is that... yes, we hope for the Peyton Manning Dream Scenario where he's your QB for the next decade and you are competing every year. But finding your franchise QB and building around him isn't easy.

As an optimistic hedge though, Trey Lance is coming to an ideal situation where he gets a redshirted rookie season, a contending roster, and an elite offensive playcaller. Often times, teams that pick #1 are not good places for that player to develop, and that's not what Lance is coming into.

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice still and explanation. I know it's becoming taboo to comp Lance with Kap, but look at the difference when it comes to the release point. That over the head release that Lance has allows for more arc on the trajectory when needed. Lance simply has a smoother, more natural looking release and throwing motion.

Kap was a classic example of a baseball guy playing QB! ugly throwing motion, but he was such a great athlete he could make it work for most throws

Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Do you think maybe Kyle underestimated how interested others teams were? Maybe Trey got positive feedback from a lot of teams so had a hard time interpreting just how interested Lynch and Kyle were.

I don't think Kyle had any one of the three in mind when they made the trade. They had done their homework and realized that none of the teams between them and Miami were going to trade with them. Hence, they went to #3 to make sure they had a choice. At that point, they ramped up their investigation and evaluations and made their choice. In short, it was an evolving process that assured them time to make what they considered the best choice for the team given that Jimmy was still here.

Hahaha

Originally posted by dj43:
I don't think Kyle had any one of the three in mind when they made the trade. They had done their homework and realized that none of the teams between them and Miami were going to trade with them. Hence, they went to #3 to make sure they had a choice. At that point, they ramped up their investigation and evaluations and made their choice. In short, it was an evolving process that assured them time to make what they considered the best choice for the team given that Jimmy was still here.

Well but Kyle said he's been on to Lance since January. There's a story about him calling up Lynch and admitting to being obsessed with him and sending Lynch some tape which he watched until 2:30 AM. I'm pretty sure that story was from January.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
I wonder how Shanny will divvy up the reps to both have Jimmy ready to play week in and week out and also develop Lance because he needs reps. With the amount of time missed with injury even Jimmy himself still needs alot more game experience.

The team is trying to win now. The prerogative and focus will be on getting Jimmy all the reps he needs to doing that, and then giving Lance the backup reps.

Trey Lance is our QB of the Future, but for this season, he's slated to be the Back-up. Let's not forget that the 49ers DO love and believe in Jimmy. It's just the injuries that have been the problem. We picked Lance because his role is to be a back-up QB that we hope develops into a superstar QB in Year 2 onward.

Um . . . no. The 49ers DON'T love Jimmy. And they certainly don't believe in him. That's what mortgaging the teams immediate future for a chance with Lance is all about.
Kyle has made it quite clear that he wasn't pleased with JG's processing or QB skills.
Ideally, Jimmy will start and hopefully play well. That's not guaranteed. I'm not sure that one should expect too much. This is not 2019 now. Following the 2019 off-season NFL defenses assembled the complete book on Garoppolo and his shortcomings. Even when healthy in 2020, Jimmy never looked like his 2019 self.

Don't expect Kyle to stall Trey's development in favor of Jimmy. Every effort will be made to get Lance up to speed and ready to play. That's the priority.

Ideally it follows the KC model. Jimmy plays well this season. Trey gets up to speed with the pace of the game and is ready year 2. And they get something for Jimmy in a trade. I'm not putting much stock in that scenario. Personally, I'm conflicted about having Jimmy on the team at all. Unless he restructures his contract; it's EXPENSIVE for a lame duck player. I'm not sure the team would not be better off taking that money and extending some foundational players before they become even more expensive to sign down the road.

Despite what they say publicly, IMO the brass would be delighted if they had/would receive a decent offer for JG. That seems unlikely, though. The Patriots were thought to be a possibility, but that's not happening now, unfortunately.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice still and explanation. I know it's becoming taboo to comp Lance with Kap, but look at the difference when it comes to the release point. That over the head release that Lance has allows for more arc on the trajectory when needed. Lance simply has a smoother, more natural looking release and throwing motion.

Kap was a classic example of a baseball guy playing QB! ugly throwing motion, but he was such a great athlete he could make it work for most throws

That sidearm delivery showed up on throws and led to inaccuracy. Kyle's answer about Lance's accuracy concerns was good. I think Kyle saw that Lance's throwing motion and base were fine, and coupling that with Lance's work ethic gave Kyle a projection that accuracy could improve. Kyle mentioned how the work done to improve accuracy is a January to April thing (offseason work).

they are already working with his mechanics, here is the right spot to carry the ball before starting the throwing motion, for his college tape he holds the ball much lower... with this ball position it is a simple matter draw the ball back without dipping it down (winding up):

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:
What if i told you if Rodgers was traded to the 49ers he retires a week later to take the Jeopardy job?

Because honestly nobody knows for certain what he will do. We all hope he becomes another Tom Brady but the NFL is littered with great QBs who one day fall off a cliff and turn into 2015 Peyton Manning.

Rodgers might work out... He might not. Its Super Bowl or bust for a 37 year old QB making 30 million next year who hasn't been to a Super bowl in 10 years.

I'm sure you thought in your head this seemed clever but really it's just ridiculous.

BRB..acting like a perennial NFL Pro Bwler, league MVP and future HOFer constitutes as much of a risk as a guy who hasn't taken a single NFL snap yet.

One of the most truly absurd takes I've seen since I've been on this forum.

I think verifying Aaron Rodgers' commitment to football and projecting whether he can play three more years is a lot easier than projecting whether Trey Lance's 19 games and 300 passing attempts will become a good NFL QB.

All in all, I think Aaron Rodgers coming to San Francisco is highly unlikely. Green Bay is trying to salvage that situation and if they do trade him, they'll prefer to trade him to an AFC team. They will not want to trade him to an NFC team, nonetheless an NFC team who is as talented as we are in the coaching staff and roster.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I still have nightmares from kaps lack of touch. I just never want a qb like kap again. That's why I initially didn't want lance. With that said. I think lance has better touch than kap and hope he can improve given the time. Kid just needs to learn that everything doesn't need to be a bullet.

Kap had no touch because his delivery did not bring his elbow over the top of his shoulder line, that puts arc on the ball and enables touch throws... Lance brings it over the top, he will be fine

Just saw this post. Agreed.

Yeah so let's not compare Lance to Kap when it comes to throwing motion or mechanics. It's not an accurate take. When it comes to mobility, 'twtichy' is a term used to describe Lance. Kap was deliberate and strong as a runner. Both have strong arms and are dangerous in the open field as runners, but that's where the similarities stop.