Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

I appreciate Trey for not raw dogging us for 6 touchdowns.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Mac Jones and his two interceptions in two games. Pretty obvious why you didn't respond to that other post in the Mac Jones thread.

Don't disappear from the Zone if Mac Jones ever has to come in and save the season.

Let's not forget Mac Jones playoff experience and I don't mean watching from the sidelines.

The Chargers kept only Justin Herbert and Trey Lance as their two QBs on the 53. Good for Trey.

And folks were talking about the CFL or UFL lol.

Anyway Trey and Herbert seem to building a good relationship on the sidelines. This might be his first fun stress free season in a long time. Gets to help and work with someone he admires.. someone he can learn from. Has a supportive coach who is all about winning. On a Playoff team, in a tough competitive division.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
And folks were talking about the CFL or UFL lol.

Anyway Trey and Herbert seem to building a good relationship on the sidelines. This might be his first fun stress free season in a long time. Gets to help and work with someone he admires.. someone he can learn from. Has a supportive coach who is all about winning. On a Playoff team, in a tough competitive division.

It is still the best path for him if he wants to be a starter in this league. Yea, he can end up being a career backup in the NFL. If he wants to truly play the CFL or UFL is his best option. Even if Herbert goes down and Trey has to step in and he plays good I don't see a path to him starting anywhere next year. Now if he was to stack a couple good seasons in the CFL or UFL then I could seeing him landing a starting job in 2027 or 2028. His current path will require injuries to the starter multiple seasons before he gets another look. Even then if it's say 6 games this year and 3 or 4 next year is that really enough?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
And folks were talking about the CFL or UFL lol.

Anyway Trey and Herbert seem to building a good relationship on the sidelines. This might be his first fun stress free season in a long time. Gets to help and work with someone he admires.. someone he can learn from. Has a supportive coach who is all about winning. On a Playoff team, in a tough competitive division.

It is still the best path for him if he wants to be a starter in this league. Yea, he can end up being a career backup in the NFL. If he wants to truly play the CFL or UFL is his best option. Even if Herbert goes down and Trey has to step in and he plays good I don't see a path to him starting anywhere next year. Now if he was to stack a couple good seasons in the CFL or UFL then I could seeing him landing a starting job in 2027 or 2028. His current path will require injuries to the starter multiple seasons before he gets another look. Even then if it's say 6 games this year and 3 or 4 next year is that really enough?

😄 Na man... NFL teams would rather look at how he plays as a starter vs NFL starting defenses, playing in real games. So far he has looked good as a starter, more often than he has looked bad.

If he went to those other leagues, just like when you play with and against 3rd/4th string players... it's unpredictable of what your offense does. And there is a health risk being behind those kinds of Olines. So again like I mentioned in the past, it's not worth it.

Here's an annoying AI-generated list of starting NFL quarterbacks who played in the CFL or UFL. I don't see evidence of that being a high-caliber career path when compared to performing well as a backup and seeking opportunities to prove yourself in The League. At best, there are some sound examples (the first four) from decades ago.

Played in the CFL

• Warren Moon: Moon had a legendary career in the CFL, leading the Edmonton Eskimos to five consecutive Grey Cup championships before joining the NFL's Houston Oilers. He is a member of both the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the Canadian Football Hall of Fame.
• Joe Theismann: Before winning a Super Bowl with the Washington Redskins, Theismann played three seasons with the Toronto Argonauts.
• Doug Flutie: After struggling to find his footing in the NFL, Flutie became a CFL superstar, winning multiple Grey Cups and Most Outstanding Player awards before returning to the NFL to have a Pro Bowl career with the Bills and Chargers.
• Jeff Garcia: Like Flutie, Garcia found success in the CFL before becoming a starting quarterback in the NFL, earning four Pro Bowl selections with the 49ers and other teams.
• Joe Kapp: Kapp played six seasons with the BC Lions, winning a Grey Cup, before joining the Minnesota Vikings and leading them to Super Bowl IV.
• Devlin "Duck" Hodges: Hodges had a brief but notable stint as a starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2019 before playing a season in the CFL with the Ottawa Redblacks.
  

Played in the UFL (or its predecessors, the USFL/XFL)

• A.J. McCarron: A former backup for several NFL teams, McCarron was the starting quarterback for the St. Louis Battlehawks of the XFL and later the UFL.
• Bryce Perkins: After starting several games for the Los Angeles Rams, Perkins played for the Michigan Panthers in the USFL.
• Kellen Mond: A former Minnesota Vikings quarterback, Mond has played for the San Antonio Brahmas in the UFL.
• Josh Johnson: A journeyman NFL quarterback who has played for many teams, Johnson has also spent time in the UFL and XFL.
  
  

Besides Moon, Garcia, and Theismann (who both started their pro careers in the CFL), there hasn't been an NFL QB who, started in the NFL then went to the CFL, and then came back to the NFL and has been looked at as a potential starting QB. (Edit- my bad only Doug Flutie)

Where as we have had many past QBs stay in the NFL as backups and then get starting gigs after showing good play. And more recently we have had the example of Geno Smith do it twice.. after struggling early in his career coming out of college. Sam Darnold, another example.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Besides Moon and Garcia (who both started their pro careers in the CFL), there hasn't been an NFL QB who, started in the NFL then went to the CFL, and then came back to the NFL and has been looked at as a potential starting QB. (Edit- my bad Doug Flutie)

Where as we have had many past QBs stay in the NFL as backups and then get starting gigs after showing good play. And more recently we have had the example of Geno Smith do it twice.. after struggling early in his career coming out of college. Sam Darnold, another example.

Geno is a better comparison than Darnold in that there was a large gap in his career where he didn't play. Still not a great one though given the experience Geno had under his belt prior to that gap. That's the issue with Trey and is a primary reason why people suggest an alternative league as an option. He came into the league with next to no experience, and the experience he had was at a lower level of college football. He hasn't played meaningful football consistently for 5 straight seasons, and he won't this year either barring injury. Geno for example started for 3 seasons at the D1 level and then became the starter for the Jets, as a rookie, where he played two more seasons before the team replaced him in that role.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Geno is a better comparison than Darnold in that there was a large gap in his career where he didn't play. Still not a great one though given the experience Geno had under his belt prior to that gap. That's the issue with Trey and is a primary reason why people suggest an alternative league as an option. He came into the league with next to no experience, and the experience he had was at a lower level of college football. He hasn't played meaningful football consistently for 5 straight seasons, and he won't this year either barring injury. Geno for example started for 3 seasons at the D1 level and then became the starter for the Jets, as a rookie, where he played two more seasons before the team replaced him in that role.

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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Besides Moon, Garcia, and Theismann (who both started their pro careers in the CFL), there hasn't been an NFL QB who, started in the NFL then went to the CFL, and then came back to the NFL and has been looked at as a potential starting QB. (Edit- my bad only Doug Flutie)

Where as we have had many past QBs stay in the NFL as backups and then get starting gigs after showing good play. And more recently we have had the example of Geno Smith do it twice.. after struggling early in his career coming out of college. Sam Darnold, another example.

I think when referencing CFL and similar leagues, no one was talking about actually contending for a starter job. It was more about to be a backup in the league and maybe get a lucky chance one day.

It looks like Lance is ahead of this timeline anyway as currently only one injury separates him from starting right now.

Jimmy G and Trey Lance starting this year would definitely be a throwback.

Yes but it's not worth risking your health/career playing behind garbage level olineman. Sure you would think those dlinemen would be equally garbage and it would cancel itself out, but no. On top of a team sending blitzes, which nullifies one on one technique vs technique.

Then on top of that if you are playing an extremely low level offense, it can make you look worse. Yall know that. But that's probably what yall want lol. TOO BAD he's still in the league on a potential playoff team. Might be needed, might not be needed... but Harbs and the Chargers organization is trusting him to help sustain or save a season for them if it ever comes down to it. And again, he has played more often well in real game situations...than s**t up the field.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Yes but it's not worth risking your health/career playing behind garbage level olineman. Sure you would think those dlinemen would be equally garbage and it would cancel itself out, but no. On top of a team sending blitzes, which nullifies one on one technique vs technique.

Then on top of that if you are playing an extremely low level offense, it can make you look worse. Yall know that. But that's probably what yall want lol. TOO BAD he's still in the league on a potential playoff team. Might be needed, might not be needed... but Harbs and the Chargers organization is trusting him to help sustain or save a season for them if it ever comes down to it. And again, he has played more often well in real game situations...than s**t up the field.

I love how the inability to properly analyze the position results in accusations of agenda or bias against people who just might know better, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Yes but it's not worth risking your health/career playing behind garbage level olineman. Sure you would think those dlinemen would be equally garbage and it would cancel itself out, but no. On top of a team sending blitzes, which nullifies one on one technique vs technique.

Then on top of that if you are playing an extremely low level offense, it can make you look worse. Yall know that. But that's probably what yall want lol. TOO BAD he's still in the league on a potential playoff team. Might be needed, might not be needed... but Harbs and the Chargers organization is trusting him to help sustain or save a season for them if it ever comes down to it. And again, he has played more often well in real game situations...than s**t up the field.

I love how the inability to properly analyze the position results in accusations of agenda or bias against people who just might know better, lol.

Sure what ever you say..

1st game as a starter, moved us past mid field 8 out of 9 drives. And we would have won that game if Kyle attempted FGs, instead of coaching as if he's playing Madden.

2nd game as a starter, helped keep our playoff hopes alive. Started out inconsistent in the first half, but kept at it and played great in the second half to secure the win.

3rd game as starter.. played well in the first half in clear weather.. then in the second half, struggled in the monsoon.

4th game... injured for the season after the second drive.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
😄 Na man... NFL teams would rather look at how he plays as a starter vs NFL starting defenses, playing in real games. So far he has looked good as a starter, more often than he has looked bad.

If he went to those other leagues, just like when you play with and against 3rd/4th string players... it's unpredictable of what your offense does. And there is a health risk being behind those kinds of Olines. So again like I mentioned in the past, it's not worth it.

But he isn't playing and definitely not playing against NFL starting defenses. He can easily go play a year in the UFL and not miss any NFL time. That's our argument.

Now he'll spend another year on the bench without getting the reps he so desperately needs for development unless of course Justin gets hurt.