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Originally posted by Afrikan:
This is what you wrote

"I think your theory about 'media zombie fans' being overly critical about Trey Lance is pretty backward. The media has been generally friendly, and still is in large part, to Lance as a prospect"

The media stating a young QB is a bust after just 3.5 games... two games which he, as a young rookie, played well in (ended that rookie season with 5TDs and 2INTs..1rushing TD). Ended his career with us with 5TDs and 3INTS. He couldn't beat out 2 eventual starters in the league, Brock Purdy & Sam Darnold. And an established trusted Vet (Cooper Rush) on a team he was traded to.

He's a Bust because of that.. riiiiiiiiiight.

And also keep with the gaslighting.... I don't f**k around with this forum anymore. For too long this place has let members b******t their way around the rules... let these disingenuous losers change their usernames, with no indication of who they were previously on their profiles. You could be going back and forth with the same person, who's arguing in bad faith, without knowing it.

Get a grip, man. Disagreeing with your bad takes isn't a sign that I have multiple accounts or any of this other nonsense.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
This is what you wrote

"I think your theory about 'media zombie fans' being overly critical about Trey Lance is pretty backward. The media has been generally friendly, and still is in large part, to Lance as a prospect"

The media stating a young QB is a bust after just 3.5 games... two games which he, as a young rookie, played well in (ended that rookie season with 5TDs and 2INTs..1rushing TD). Ended his career with us with 5TDs and 3INTS. He couldn't beat out 2 eventual starters in the league, Brock Purdy & Sam Darnold. And an established trusted Vet (Cooper Rush) on a team he was traded to.

He's a Bust because of that.. riiiiiiiiiight.

And also keep with the gaslighting.... I don't f**k around with this forum anymore. For too long this place has let members b******t their way around the rules... let these disingenuous losers change their usernames, with no indication of who they were previously on their profiles. You could be going back and forth with the same person, who's arguing in bad faith, without knowing it.

Get a grip, man. Disagreeing with your bad takes isn't a sign that I have multiple accounts or any of this other nonsense.

What's my bad take?

That the media, and the lemming gullible fans, has overexaggerated by calling a young inexperienced QB who has only played 3.5 regular season NFL games, a "Bust"? A QB who couldn't beat out two eventually good NFL starters (Brock Purdy and Sam Darnold), a bust because of that? A QB that threw 5TDs and 2ints in his rookie year. I mean we have seen REAL QB busts in the past...

So what's my bad take?
[ Edited by Afrikan on Aug 1, 2025 at 9:43 PM ]
Originally posted by Afrikan:
What's my bad take?

That the media, and the lemming gullible fans, has overexaggerated by calling a young inexperienced QB who has only played 3.5 regular season NFL games, a "Bust"? A QB who couldn't beat out two eventually good NFL starters (Brock Purdy and Sam Darnold), a bust because of that? A QB that threw 5TDs and 2ints in his rookie year. I mean we have seen REAL QB busts in the past...

So what's my bad take?

He couldn't beat out 'trusted vet' Cooper Rush either. You said if yourself, yet you can't seemingly put the picture together.

A #3 overall pick at QB, who is in his 4th full year of the NFL, can't beat out a career backup QB for a backup position.

He has been let go by two teams. He sat on the free agent market for a month before taking a 1 year deal worth 1.5 million dollars guaranteed, which is a bottom tier QB2, or QB3, salary. He is starting and playing in the HoF preseason game while the team's current 1st and 2nd QB's are bubble wrapped on the sideline.

This is a pretty clear picture whether you want to accept it or not. His career has been a major disappointment. Not even remotely close to fulfilling the expectations of his draft position. This is what a bust is.
I love how this place goes back and forth on things. What have some of yall said is most important for a backup QB to be for an established starter?? What was best for Purdy? It should make perfect sense in your eyes why an established vet like Cooper Rush (who played great for them previously when he has started), would be the backup QB for the Cowboys. Besides, McCarthy had no say in that trade for Lance. Jones did it himself and told McCarthy after.

"His career has been a major disappointment. Not even remotely close to fulfilling the expectations of his draft position."

Yeah because a great QB like Brock Purdy came out of no where, during the season he was out with injury? That should be held against him?

Now if you said, his situation or experience has been a major disappointment so far, then yeah I would agree. But what career has he had? When he was on the field starting, he played better than he played as a disappointment.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Aug 1, 2025 at 10:42 PM ]
If Trey has to play this year and he plays well this topic is going to be a nuclear bomb

I can't wait to see it
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
If Trey has to play this year and he plays well this topic is going to be a nuclear bomb

I can't wait to see it

Probably right but maybe after 4 years in camps he's learning a little. After all he's still younger than some of the recently drafted QBs thst spent 5-6 years in college. In Harbaugh's offense the QB isn't asked to do a lot. Last season Herbert had his fewest attempts but his higherst rating of his career. More short passes and fewer INTs.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He couldn't beat out 'trusted vet' Cooper Rush either. You said if yourself, yet you can't seemingly put the picture together.

A #3 overall pick at QB, who is in his 4th full year of the NFL, can't beat out a career backup QB for a backup position.

He has been let go by two teams. He sat on the free agent market for a month before taking a 1 year deal worth 1.5 million dollars guaranteed, which is a bottom tier QB2, or QB3, salary. He is starting and playing in the HoF preseason game while the team's current 1st and 2nd QB's are bubble wrapped on the sideline.

This is a pretty clear picture whether you want to accept it or not. His career has been a major disappointment. Not even remotely close to fulfilling the expectations of his draft position. This is what a bust is.

+1. I always say it - we traded him to a conference rival cause we were so confident he wouldn't amount to anything (We = 49ers).

I've always found the convos regarding Trey that if we didn't think he would be a stud, that we were haters. I never thought he was the right guy for the job. I still can't understand the selection but I don't hate the guy. If anything, I feel bad for him. He was drafted into an impossible situation with insane expectations.

what rookie, that cost 3 first round picks, is immediately expected to lead his team to Super Bowl contention immediately? Especially, arguably the rawest rookie of all time, passing wise.

the team forced this, failed miserably, and fortunately took a chance with an unknown guy they liked at the end of the next draft.

Trey just isn't/wasn't nearly ready enough to play at this level. Still doesn't seem like it. It has to be super simple and in a pre season game - which has no real prep by the defense, to look decent.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Probably right but maybe after 4 years in camps he's learning a little. After all he's still younger than some of the recently drafted QBs thst spent 5-6 years in college. In Harbaugh's offense the QB isn't asked to do a lot. Last season Herbert had his fewest attempts but his higherst rating of his career. More short passes and fewer INTs.

Harbaugh has always had the same formula
- conservative offense that pounds the rock
- strong defense
- strong special teams
- no errors or turnovers.

he essentially needs perfection every game to win in the nfl. If one of those slips, they're unlikely to win the game.

he needs to have a more aggressive passing scheme with Herbert (a very talented guy) if he truely wants to win a Super Bowl. IMO. Hes come close but one little mistake in a game has always caused him a chip. His offense is never designed to be able to take over unless it's pure runs and field goals
Originally posted by Monsterniner:
If Trey has to play this year and he plays well this topic is going to be a nuclear bomb

I can't wait to see it

but it shouldn't have to be. it should be a bunch of posts that say "oh that's nice, Trey is finally playing up to his potential. Just needed more on field experience seems."
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I love how this place goes back and forth on things. What have some of yall said is most important for a backup QB to be for an established starter?? What was best for Purdy? It should make perfect sense in your eyes why an established vet like Cooper Rush (who played great for them previously when he has started), would be the backup QB for the Cowboys. Besides, McCarthy had no say in that trade for Lance. Jones did it himself and told McCarthy after.

"His career has been a major disappointment. Not even remotely close to fulfilling the expectations of his draft position."

Yeah because a great QB like Brock Purdy came out of no where, during the season he was out with injury? That should be held against him?

Now if you said, his situation or experience has been a major disappointment so far, then yeah I would agree. But what career has he had? When he was on the field starting, he played better than he played as a disappointment.

You really should go back and look at the highlights, lowlights really, of the pre-season game he played against the Raiders the year that he got traded to the Cowboys. It was a textbook example of everything that was wrong with his game. Or better yet, go watch JT O'Sullivans' breakdown of that game. It was brutal. As I recall, JT's assessment was that he, literally, didn't make a single correct decision in his first two series, but that may be overstating it some.

I think just about everybody was hoping Lance would succeed when he got here, but there were a handful of posters who were just CONVINCED, he was going to be great before he took a single snap in a single game. It was all, Lance is already an elite runner that will give us a Lamar Jackson option. Or a week into training camp, he already knows the playbook better than Jimmy. I mean people were literally making stuff up that had absolutely no basis in fact. He threw a 10-yard pass to a wide-open Kittle on a crossing route during a preseason game and it was, according to some, one of the best passes ever thrown by anyone in the world. I mean it was tiresome, and I think a lot of people started to hate Lance just because of all of the misplaced adulation he was getting in here.

Lance always seemed like a good kid. He throws a nice deep ball, but four years into his career he doesn't seem a lot further along than when he started. But if Harbaugh could fool people into thinking that Colin Kaepernick was anything more than a flash in the pan, maybe he can do the something with Lance.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Steve Young didn't start excelling until the age of 29.



How old are you? 10?

You would like it if he was 10

Also, Steve was 30-31 when he had his breakout season.

Your focus on ten year olds is rather disturbing. Please seek help. Allow the adults to hold a conversation.

I suppose when Young was busy winning the Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Brien awards as the top college QB in the nation, that was? What? Some kind of fluke? Not excelling? He was the top QB coming out of college. Tell me how this is not excelling?

If being an obese, alcoholic, pedo defender, makes you an adult, than I rather not be an adult.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He couldn't beat out 'trusted vet' Cooper Rush either. You said if yourself, yet you can't seemingly put the picture together.

A #3 overall pick at QB, who is in his 4th full year of the NFL, can't beat out a career backup QB for a backup position.

He has been let go by two teams. He sat on the free agent market for a month before taking a 1 year deal worth 1.5 million dollars guaranteed, which is a bottom tier QB2, or QB3, salary. He is starting and playing in the HoF preseason game while the team's current 1st and 2nd QB's are bubble wrapped on the sideline.

This is a pretty clear picture whether you want to accept it or not. His career has been a major disappointment. Not even remotely close to fulfilling the expectations of his draft position. This is what a bust is.

+1. I always say it - we traded him to a conference rival cause we were so confident he wouldn't amount to anything (We = 49ers).

I've always found the convos regarding Trey that if we didn't think he would be a stud, that we were haters. I never thought he was the right guy for the job. I still can't understand the selection but I don't hate the guy. If anything, I feel bad for him. He was drafted into an impossible situation with insane expectations.

what rookie, that cost 3 first round picks, is immediately expected to lead his team to Super Bowl contention immediately? Especially, arguably the rawest rookie of all time, passing wise.

the team forced this, failed miserably, and fortunately took a chance with an unknown guy they liked at the end of the next draft.

Trey just isn't/wasn't nearly ready enough to play at this level. Still doesn't seem like it. It has to be super simple and in a pre season game - which has no real prep by the defense, to look decent.

Even when he performs well, you have to throw shade, "in a preseason game" to look decent. LOL, dude drop the hate and enjoy the progress for the young man. No need to dis the kid unless you have an agenda.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Probably right but maybe after 4 years in camps he's learning a little. After all he's still younger than some of the recently drafted QBs thst spent 5-6 years in college. In Harbaugh's offense the QB isn't asked to do a lot. Last season Herbert had his fewest attempts but his higherst rating of his career. More short passes and fewer INTs.

Harbaugh has always had the same formula
- conservative offense that pounds the rock
- strong defense
- strong special teams
- no errors or turnovers.

he essentially needs perfection every game to win in the nfl. If one of those slips, they're unlikely to win the game.

he needs to have a more aggressive passing scheme with Herbert (a very talented guy) if he truely wants to win a Super Bowl. IMO. Hes come close but one little mistake in a game has always caused him a chip. His offense is never designed to be able to take over unless it's pure runs and field goals

Herbert had his best season ever as far as passer rating last season because he wasn't throwing as much and the routes were more conservative. He threw more INTs in the playoffs than he did all year. This is similar to the way JG was able to have a high passer rating under Kyle. Lot's of short routes over the middle that were easy to complete.
Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Steve Young didn't start excelling until the age of 29.



How old are you? 10?

Can you point to me what age Steve Young started thriving in the NFL?

I remember there was a glimmer of what might have been during the Strike Season. Steve (age 25) went 1-2 but in fairness that year and real issues, The next year Steve Went 3-0 and flashed that run against Minnesota that still to this day is an example a signature Steve Young Play (age 26).

So in those first 6 starts Steve was 4-2 and was flashing a duel threat ability that was rare in that era. Bill Walsh knew he was the next 49er QB, but this is right in the heyday of MVP level Montana, but the writing was on the wall to a degree he was suffering nagging injuries on the regular. If Montana had been an ironman the 49ers would have been a Super Bowl threat nearly every year in that era. I think that was catalyst for the QB controversy.

That actually lead to one of my personal favorite 49er teams that 91 team with QB Steve Bono. That is one of the greatest what-ifs in 49er history.

With Bono surging, ... The 49ers heavily shopped Steve Young in late 91/early 92 and almost had a deal in place for Draft Capital and a little known QB named Brett Farve.

Depending on whom you believe, the 49ers balked at the offer, or green bay came in and "out bid them"...it is hard to say, and TBH Walsh tells this story and it so closely mirrors the trade Montana for John Elway story that is sounded like an old fella just talking. The only real different in the two stories it that is was public knowledge the summer after the emergence of Bono the 49ers were in-fact publicly offering Steve Young for trade. It was on ESPN and the whole nine yards.
Originally posted by Dshearn:
I remember there was a glimmer of what might have been during the Strike Season. Steve (age 25) went 1-2 but in fairness that year and real issues, The next year Steve Went 3-0 and flashed that run against Minnesota that still to this day is an example a signature Steve Young Play (age 26).

So in those first 6 starts Steve was 4-2 and was flashing a duel threat ability that was rare in that era. Bill Walsh knew he was the next 49er QB, but this is right in the heyday of MVP level Montana, but the writing was on the wall to a degree he was suffering nagging injuries on the regular. If Montana had been an ironman the 49ers would have been a Super Bowl threat nearly every year in that era. I think that was catalyst for the QB controversy.

That actually lead to one of my personal favorite 49er teams that 91 team with QB Steve Bono. That is one of the greatest what-ifs in 49er history.

With Bono surging, ... The 49ers heavily shopped Steve Young in late 91/early 92 and almost had a deal in place for Draft Capital and a little known QB named Brett Farve.

Depending on whom you believe, the 49ers balked at the offer, or green bay came in and "out bid them"...it is hard to say, and TBH Walsh tells this story and it so closely mirrors the trade Montana for John Elway story that is sounded like an old fella just talking. The only real different in the two stories it that is was public knowledge the summer after the emergence of Bono the 49ers were in-fact publicly offering Steve Young for trade. It was on ESPN and the whole nine yards.

Had Walsh been given free control to make roster decisions, I believe Young would have displaced Montana by 1987 or 1988. But Eddie D. blocked it. He would not allow BW to just discard a two-time SB winner.
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