Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Can't believe anyone thought this dude was good enough to be a top pick. And fans actually celebrated drafting him

might actually be the lowest point ever for this franchise and fanbase, and that's saying a lot

That entire draft was poor because the previous season was during Covid when teams were missing a lot of players and schedules were messed up. It made evaluating players a real crap shoot. Four of the top 5 QBs didn't pan out with the tream that picked them. Only Lawrence is still with his original team. The only 49er from that draft that's still on team is Lenoir. I looed at the first round of that year and only about 6 of the picks became stars. Sewell and Surtain were the best by far but they were generational type players. They had already established themselves prior to the 2021 draft. Rashawn Slater, Ja'Marr Chase and Micah Parsons have been very good. Najee Harris has been solid.

ok, but how many other teams gave up three first round picks that year?

They gave up 2 first round picks and one 2nd round pick. That 3rd first rounder was used to move up from 12 to 3. They didn't give it up. Doesn't cjhange the fact that is was a bust but they really needed a new QB. Just too bad it was a bad year for QBs. In the end it turned out okay because they might not have drafted Purdy the next year if Lance had shown promise.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They gave up 2 first round picks and one 2nd round pick. That 3rd first rounder was used to move up from 12 to 3. They didn't give it up. Doesn't cjhange the fact that is was a bust but they really needed a new QB. Just too bad it was a bad year for QBs. In the end it turned out okay because they might not have drafted Purdy the next year if Lance had shown promise.

This will never not be funny to me. It's a bizarre semantics argument that people need to make for some reason.

We spent 3 1st round picks+ to acquire this player. Very simple.

The team made the playoffs in 2021-2023 despite Lance busting. Hard to call that a low point when you have the 1978, 1999, 2004 and 2016 seasons.

Originally posted by captveg:
The team made the playoffs in 2021-2023 despite Lance busting. Hard to call that a low point when you have the 1978, 1999, 2004 and 2016 seasons.

How was he "busting"?... He was the team starter in 2022.. played 1 game and like two drives... got injured for the rest of the season. Brock came onto the scene and earned the starter job going forward.

Anyway.. he's going in first for the preseason game on Thursday. Curious if that means Harbs likes what he sees and already views him as the #2... or if he just wants to get more looks in, since there is a bunch of film on Heinicke.

Harbaugh will have him throw to tight ends/full backs 75% of the time and we'll see a stat line of 15/21 for 102 yards and no TDs no picks

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
Harbaugh will have him throw to tight ends/full backs 75% of the time and we'll see a stat line of 15/21 for 102 yards and no TDs no picks

... and that's how to build a young QB until he gains confidence...

Bill Walsh did the same to Joe... Rivers was taught the same way..

Originally posted by Afrikan:
How was he "busting"?... He was the team starter in 2022.. played 1 game and like two drives... got injured for the rest of the season. Brock came onto the scene and earned the starter job going forward, and then he couldn't win the backup job in a true competition, was traded for peanuts, and couldn't earn the #2 job there either before they let him walk out the door for nothing.

Anyway.. he's going in first for the preseason game on Thursday. Curious if that means Harbs likes what he sees and already views him as the #2... or if he just wants to get more looks in, since there is a bunch of film on Heinicke.

Fixed it for you. Never change man, lol.

Originally posted by Since07:
Really its all on Lynch, Kyle had the plan to go get Cousins who fit and knew his system perfectly. Lynch completely overrode it and traded for Garoppolo. Think we have at least 1 SB if we went with Cousins and we would have kept 3 1sts a 2nd and a 3rd.

Is this sarcasm ?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
How was he "busting"?... He was the team starter in 2022.. played 1 game and like two drives... got injured for the rest of the season. Brock came onto the scene and earned the starter job going forward, and then he couldn't win the backup job in a true competition, was traded for peanuts, and couldn't earn the #2 job there either before they let him walk out the door for nothing.

Anyway.. he's going in first for the preseason game on Thursday. Curious if that means Harbs likes what he sees and already views him as the #2... or if he just wants to get more looks in, since there is a bunch of film on Heinicke.

Fixed it for you. Never change man, lol.

True competition? Trey never once got to play with the starters (and mostly played with the 3rd and 4th stringers that preseason)... and when it was finally his turn vs the Chargers, Kyle announced Darnold as the #2 and traded Trey before the game.

And he couldn't earn the #2 spot from an established loved trusted backup (who won many games as a starter...who many Cowboy fans wanted as a starter) Cooper Rush.

Again it's fine to say Trey hasn't capitalized on his limited opportunities, but to say his is a bust or busting with limited legit play.... that's just a hot take the media and fans, who wish they were media, take. It's an easy, thoughtless, lazy take to have.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
True competition? Trey never once got to play with the starters (and mostly played with the 3rd and 4th stringers that preseason)... and when it was finally his turn vs the Chargers, Kyle announced Darnold as the #2 and traded Trey before the game.

And he couldn't earn the #2 spot from an established loved trusted backup (who won many games as a starter...who many Cowboy fans wanted as a starter) Cooper Rush.

Again it's fine to say Trey hasn't capitalized on his limited opportunities, but to say his is a bust or busting with limited legit play.... that's just a hot take the media and fans, who wish they were media, take. It's an easy, thoughtless, lazy take to have.

Yea, so 'loved' they also let him walk. Meanwhile they could have re-signed Trey for next to nothing and instead he sat on the market for a month before signing a 1 year deal effectively worth 1.5 million guaranteed, lol.

He's all but out of the league.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
A team with an established starter in Jimmy G, that had Super Bowl aspirations. ..then finding Gold in Brock Purdy.

A team with an established starter, Dak Prescott (who they broke the bank for to extend) and established backup vet in Cooper Rush (who did great as a starter the previous year).

Those are your two examples?

I'm not sure if you watch other NFL teams but QB play is usually bad through out the league. It would be easy for him to find a team to have an opportunity to compete for a starting role. Against he has his 1st round pick money... he is not gonna ask for a bunch of money.

Here we are a year later. Was it 'easy' for him to find an opportunity to compete for a starting role?

The answer is no, of course. He sat available in free agency for a month before a team took what is effectively a risk free flyer on him to compete for a backup spot.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
A team with an established starter in Jimmy G, that had Super Bowl aspirations. ..then finding Gold in Brock Purdy.

A team with an established starter, Dak Prescott (who they broke the bank for to extend) and established backup vet in Cooper Rush (who did great as a starter the previous year).

Those are your two examples?

I'm not sure if you watch other NFL teams but QB play is usually bad through out the league. It would be easy for him to find a team to have an opportunity to compete for a starting role. Against he has his 1st round pick money... he is not gonna ask for a bunch of money.

Here we are a year later. Was it 'easy' for him to find an opportunity to compete for a starting role?

The answer is no, of course. He sat available in free agency for a month before a team took what is effectively a risk free flyer on him to compete for a backup spot.

Well I will say a lot of surprising things happened. I mean I didn't expect Russ to keep getting starting gigs. Didn't expect Rodgers to get another gig (or want to continue his football career).. didn't expect the Jets to just hand F'n Justin Fields a starter gig with that money. Didn't expect Sam Darnold to be available for another team to sign him, thought the Vikes would have kept him.

But what was interesting is, like a few days after Trey finally signed with a team... the Saints announced the surprising retirement of their starter Derek Carr. I do believe if Trey didn't sign with the Chargers, he would have went there to try to compete for the starting role. There was no sign that Saints starting gig was going to be available anytime soon, even if Derek is a Jimmy G of his own.

So yeah I figured the Raiders, Steelers, Giants, (maybe) Jets would be teams that would have starting gigs up for legit competition.

But nope, Carroll brought in someone he trusts in Geno...Steelers handed their starting gig to Aaron...Giants handed their starting gig to Russell...and Jets handed their starting gig to Fields.

This will be the reason those teams will suck this year... with Geno not being the worse.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Well I will say a lot of surprising things happened. I mean I didn't expect Russ to keep getting starting gigs. Didn't expect Rodgers to get another gig (or want to continue his football career).. didn't expect the Jets to just hand F'n Justin Fields a starter gig with that money. Didn't expect Sam Darnold to be available for another team to sign him, thought the Vikes would have kept him.

But what was interesting is, like a few days after Trey finally signed with a team... the Saints announced the surprising retirement of their starter Derek Carr. I do believe if Trey didn't sign with the Chargers, he would have went there to try to compete for the starting role. There was no sign that Saints starting gig was going to be available anytime soon, even if Derek is a Jimmy G of his own.

So yeah I figured the Raiders, Steelers, Giants, (maybe) Jets would be teams that would have starting gigs up for legit competition.

But nope, Carroll brought in someone he trusts in Geno...Steelers handed their starting gig to Aaron...Giants handed their starting gig to Russell...and Jets handed their starting gig to Fields.

This will be the reason those teams will suck this year... with Geno not being the worse.

Multiple problems here, but probably the most important is you are focusing on starting positions when he wasn't even offered a backup job (#2 on a depth chart). There was simply zero chance any team was signing this guy with the idea that he would compete to be a starter. The lack of interest and his eventual contract with the Chargers paints a pretty clear picture.

Look at his contract in relation to his peers. You can start very simply with his own team where the Chargers prioritized re-signing TH to a backup deal worth more guaranteed money than what Lance got. It's not like Heinicke is a high level backup in the league. Hell, Nick Mullens got twice as much money as Lance.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
How was he "busting"?... He was the team starter in 2022.. played 1 game and like two drives... got injured for the rest of the season. Brock came onto the scene and earned the starter job going forward, and then he couldn't win the backup job in a true competition, was traded for peanuts, and couldn't earn the #2 job there either before they let him walk out the door for nothing.

Anyway.. he's going in first for the preseason game on Thursday. Curious if that means Harbs likes what he sees and already views him as the #2... or if he just wants to get more looks in, since there is a bunch of film on Heinicke.

Fixed it for you. Never change man, lol.

True competition? Trey never once got to play with the starters (and mostly played with the 3rd and 4th stringers that preseason)... and when it was finally his turn vs the Chargers, Kyle announced Darnold as the #2 and traded Trey before the game.

And he couldn't earn the #2 spot from an established loved trusted backup (who won many games as a starter...who many Cowboy fans wanted as a starter) Cooper Rush.

Again it's fine to say Trey hasn't capitalized on his limited opportunities, but to say his is a bust or busting with limited legit play.... that's just a hot take the media and fans, who wish they were media, take. It's an easy, thoughtless, lazy take to have.

lol you are too much

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Well I will say a lot of surprising things happened. I mean I didn't expect Russ to keep getting starting gigs. Didn't expect Rodgers to get another gig (or want to continue his football career).. didn't expect the Jets to just hand F'n Justin Fields a starter gig with that money. Didn't expect Sam Darnold to be available for another team to sign him, thought the Vikes would have kept him.

But what was interesting is, like a few days after Trey finally signed with a team... the Saints announced the surprising retirement of their starter Derek Carr. I do believe if Trey didn't sign with the Chargers, he would have went there to try to compete for the starting role. There was no sign that Saints starting gig was going to be available anytime soon, even if Derek is a Jimmy G of his own.

So yeah I figured the Raiders, Steelers, Giants, (maybe) Jets would be teams that would have starting gigs up for legit competition.

But nope, Carroll brought in someone he trusts in Geno...Steelers handed their starting gig to Aaron...Giants handed their starting gig to Russell...and Jets handed their starting gig to Fields.

This will be the reason those teams will suck this year... with Geno not being the worse.

Multiple problems here, but probably the most important is you are focusing on starting positions when he wasn't even offered a backup job (#2 on a depth chart). There was simply zero chance any team was signing this guy with the idea that he would compete to be a starter. The lack of interest and his eventual contract with the Chargers paints a pretty clear picture.

Look at his contract in relation to his peers. You can start very simply with his own team where the Chargers prioritized re-signing TH to a backup deal worth more guaranteed money than what Lance got. It's not like Heinicke is a high level backup in the league. Hell, Nick Mullens got twice as much money as Lance.

Hell yeah he is... even started games. He has proven himself more than Trey and other backup QBs in this league.

I'm not saying teams were looking at Trey as the for sure starter... more so, Trey signing with a team that doesn't have an established starter... even as a backup or 3rd stringer. But competing his way into the starting roll. Be it training camp, preseason, or during the season, if the starting QB struggles.

Instead of being in another situation like the Dallas situation. He was stuck there for more than one season. Believe me, if he could have left after the 2023 season, he would have.. but the Cowboys had his rights. So it's understandable he signed a one year deal with the Chargers, so he wouldn't be stuck for more than one season. He's on an NFL team..he's with a winning team with a proven Head Coach. Better to he in that situation, than on the couch hoping something else opens up.

But it's interesting... some Charger fans view him as potential trade bait if he does well in preseason. I personally think Harbs would rather keep him, if he played well, as insurance for their important season.