Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

It's hard to say. I don't recall being that enamored with 2021 especially on the heels of 2020 with Burrow, Herbert, and Tua breaking out. But maybe on just the account of Trevor Lawrence and all the hype he was generating. Here are their draft grades per NFL.com:

2021:

• Trevor Lawrence | 7.40 (perennial all-pro)
• Zach Wilson | 6.50 (boom or bust)
• Trey Lance | 6.47 (good starter within two years)
• Mac Jones | 6.33 (eventually a plus starter)

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

and that is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

and that is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

looks like you don't even know what the convo is about lol

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

It's hard to say. I don't recall being that enamored with 2021 especially on the heels of 2020 with Burrow, Herbert, and Tua breaking out. But maybe on just the account of Trevor Lawrence and all the hype he was generating. Here are their draft grades per NFL.com:

2021:

• Trevor Lawrence | 7.40 (perennial all-pro)
• Zach Wilson | 6.50 (boom or bust)
• Trey Lance | 6.47 (good starter within two years)
• Mac Jones | 6.33 (eventually a plus starter)

2021 had 5 QBs drafted in the first 15 picks
2020 had 4 QBs the entire first round

2020 could have influenced 2021, but If all these 2021 QBs weren't seen as QBs of the teams future, they simply don't go that early (5 in 15) and would be taken later.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

and that is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

looks like you don't even know what the convo is about lol

That clearly would be you but carry on.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Move is really rough in hindsight. For all the bashing some have on Shanahan this one is at the top of my list.

Like HOW did we mess that one up so bad? What did we see in him that gave us the greenlight to make that trade but how was our evaluation so far off that Kyle was having reservations in year 2 of training camp?

It was an abject failure in terms of planning and risk assessment. This is the kind of thing that can happen when you don't have a legitimate GM, IMO.

it was a gamble, Zach Wilson was the true target

and i have a feeling we might add him this year as a back up

You are undervaluing the impact had on QBs due to COVID that year. Trever has been OK but hasn't been a transformational QB in JAX.

The rest of the first rounders are on either team 2 and/or soon to be team 3.

not sure how i'm undervalued anything in this. Just putting the dots together

49ers had scouts in person at ZW's games.
shannalynch both were in attendance at ZWs pro day and didn't attend Lance's or Jones's first pro day
shannalynch were both impressed at ZW pro day that they traded up hours after
The only thing they didn't count on is Saleh drafting their crush

So they gave up all that capital to move up in the draft and still didn't guarantee themselves their guy?

That seems pretty idiotic to me.

if my connection is true.. it's only idiotic when it doesn't work.. in the end, all QBs sucked

It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

and that is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

looks like you don't even know what the convo is about lol

That clearly would be you but carry on.

ah the "No, you" comeback.. How old are you? lol

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

There's nothing to support that Wilson was their guy, and it was well known the Jets were going to draft him. Information that would have been easily discernible in their effort to trade up. Look how they operated after they made the trade.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
TL was given a year to prepare, given every possible chance to play, Didn't have to earn his starting position in the friendliest QB system there is

What fault was it the 49ers?

I think you're missing my point.

It didn't help Trey Lance that he was overdrafted and played well before he was ready, lol. And it didn't help our team either. It was a clusterf**k of bad management at the position and thankfully they corrected quickly.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
did you hit your head or something ?

It was supposed to be the strongest QB draft.. no one knew it was going to be the worst. no one

total nonsense. wilson was a pro day 1 throw wonder. lance was just not a good prospect. the only real high end prospects from high school thru college were lawrence and fields. now we see from nfl, fields has attitude problems. so he probably fell for that reason, and he's gonna play for a lot of teams for that reason also. so it was a QB class of one guy, who we never had any shot at what so ever, and we knew that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:


total nonsense. wilson was a pro day 1 throw wonder. lance was just not a good prospect. the only real high end prospects from high school thru college were lawrence and fields. now we see from nfl, fields has attitude problems. so he probably fell for that reason, and he's gonna play for a lot of teams for that reason also. so it was a QB class of one guy, who we never had any shot at what so ever, and we knew that.

You're reviewing this in hindsight after the results are known. It was widely viewed as a strong QB draft going in, and it clearly didn't turn out that way.

That doesn't justify the incredibly stupid move(s) we made. It should have been obvious we couldn't develop a project QB who needed time to play and maximize our chances to win a SB in the next few years at the same time. It was one or the other from the jump.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
TL was given a year to prepare, given every possible chance to play, Didn't have to earn his starting position in the friendliest QB system there is

What fault was it the 49ers?

I think you're missing my point.

It didn't help Trey Lance that he was overdrafted and played well before he was ready, lol. And it didn't help our team either. It was a clusterf**k of bad management at the position and thankfully they corrected quickly.

i don't think i did.

you felt bad for him and it was our fault is what you posted. He wasn't thrown in the fire like most rookie QBs go through. he had every chance to make his situation better.

Hindsight, none of the different type of pedigree QBs in that draft stood a chance

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It was idiotic no matter how you slice it if Wilson was their guy.

There's nothing to support that Wilson was their guy, and it was well known the Jets were going to draft him. Information that would have been easily discernible in their effort to trade up. Look how they operated after they made the trade.

i posted something to stand on to support it without really needing a confession.

The way they operated by not knowing who the heck they were going to draft shows who they wanted was not going to be there

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i don't think i did.

you felt bad for him and it was our fault is what you posted. He wasn't thrown in the fire like most rookie QBs go through. he had every chance to make his situation better.

Hindsight, none of the different type of pedigree QBs in that draft stood a chance

You did. That's ok, I didn't post a bunch of detail in my post. I'm not blaming the team for him not developing. They should have never drafted him. It was not a good situation to go to for a raw prospect that needed playing time and a long runway to possibly* get better.

I felt bad for him on an individual level because his career, especially here, was effectively over before it started and the team should have recognized that possibility before they drafted him (for their benefit as well, not just his). It was easy to predict. They eventually did.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i posted something to stand on to support it without really needing a confession.

The way they operated by not knowing who the heck they were going to draft shows who they wanted was not going to be there

Assuming that's actually true, anybody paying attention knew the options were Jones, Fields and Lance. This was clear the moment they made the trade because the top two spots were all but set.