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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Lol. Yes this will end well.


Imagine jed just making a random qb trade without telling john and kyle

but Jerry is the GM of the Cowboys

Jerry is also the President of the Cowboys
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Lol. Yes this will end well.


holy heck batman.....

Good Grief....

Wow..... WOOOOWWWWWW

Trey screwed himself......

Trey just need to win Jerry's heart. Mike McCarthy has to be a yes man, or he might not have this job in a year or 2.

this quote implies there was no strategical conversation with McCarthy on how Trey fits in, how Trey could be used.

There is no plan

Seems like what we did when we drafted him.
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Originally posted by tankle104:
A lot of interesting takes in here. They said that early on in training camp, it was clear darnold was better than Lance, darnold kept getting better and Lance just didn't.

i know we heard a bunch of stuff from Twitter people and all of that but they don't know what the hell is going on. Sounds like Lance was a lot worse than we thought and I think the team trading him to the cowboys says a lot, how little they really think of him.

https://www.youtube.com/live/RYXySsHeydY?si=4ArMja4xThdcj9-Z

Oh I'm sure Middlekauff doesn't have any bias since he thought from day one this back-up competition was rigged in favor of Darnold the day he signed and he always said he thought Darnold had more potential with this team than Lance.
I heard guys like Larry Krueger, Jack Hammer or Matt Maiocco say that they thought there wasn't any separation between Darnold or Lance and that quite clearly Allen was well behind the three other QBs.
And from what I saw in pre-season, I have a hard time thinking Sam Darnold is that much better than Lance as raw as he is.

The reality is that they wanted to trade Lance, the moment the season ended against the Eagles.
Lynch at the combine said that "Trey needs to play." and that certainly means he needs to play on another team.
They signed Darnold the second day of Free Agency IIRC. Darnold signed a 4.5 millions + incentives for every game play deal. Who does that to be in a competion to be the back up? They had Matt Maiocco b******ting us with the "best natural thrower of the football in Niners History" to sell us on Darnold. And who told him that? It's definetely Kyle. He talks like that just like his buddy Chris Simms.
Besides, Sam Darnold and Trey Lance have the same agents. There's zero chance they didn't know what would happen ultimately. Why these agents would put Darnold on the same team as Lance? It makes no sense unless they knew the Niners wanted to trade Trey.
They signed Brandon Allen who was the back up of Joe Burrow. Why this guy who was the back-up with the f**king Bengals would want to come here and be the fourth stringer? They had a plan because they think long term here. You can't have Purdy and Lance on the same team in the future. Maybe this season but then next year, you had to trade Trey to have cap space. So they wanted to do it now and that's ok. It's Football, it's a business, sometimes things just don't work and you have to move on like they did with Solomon Thomas, Dante Pettis or Javon Kinlaw just to name a few.
Nobody is perfect. If you hit on three or four draft picks every year, you're happy quite frankly. You're only judged on your win/loss record ultimately. And those three first round picks seriously, who cares at the end of the day. They're still a Superbowl contender every year. And I look at that infamous 2021 draft and the only guy I would have taken apart from Trevor Lawrence is Micah Parsons and he's a piece of s**t. Future HOF player but still piece of s**t. I love Jamar Chase but they already had Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk at this point. Yeah maybe Sewell or Slater, that would be great for this team I agree.

But to get back to the Trey Lance conversation, I really doubt that Kyle waked up in training camp and was like "Damn, Sam is so much better than Trey, he's the back-up.". He made his choice a long time ago. He's all in with Purdy and you can't really keep Purdy and Lance on the same team specially with all the noise from the fans if Purdy struggles one game or two which will definetely happen since he's a freaking 23 yeard old sophomore. With Darnold, there's no problems. Who wants Darnold on the field seriously?
And that's what this team needs. One guy to lead the team and everyone behind him. Now that puts ton of pressure on Purdy specially coming back from a major injury.
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by mutant-man49:
Originally posted by 9erguy:
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Kaepernick 2.0

YOU PASSED ON JUSTIN FIELDS!!!!



super bowl drought will continue

This is how I feel, hope I'm wrong

Clowns

Anyone who watches Lance and sees Kap probably learned most of their football knowledge from Madden.

Comparing Lance to Kap was an insult to Kap
I agree. Kap did some great things for a couple of years. This team is more talented offensively and I can't see Trey having the run Kap did 2012 - 2013 season.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I love it. Lol hopefully Lance learns how fortunate he was here. Sometimes the grass isn't greener

He wasn't fortunate here IMO. Both situations are bad for him. At least expectations will be lower in Dallas, if that actually means anything.

The media circus that follows around Dallas will chew him up and spit him out, at least the coaching staff and front office here felt responsible for him and had a stake in his final outcome to save part of their reputation, not to mention kind words flowing from the locker room and media and probably most importantly a very voc888al set of 49er fans.

Now he is heading to a team that appears to have no plan for him when they picked him up, he is sitting at 3 again behind a cult like figure in Cooper Rush...and to top that all off the dude he is replacing just had a nearly perfect game. Grier is coming off a preseason he went 67 of 84 for 604 yard with 4tds passing....in preseason....

Trey is behind an 8 ball, and the narratives are ready to write themselves. This does not look like a forgiving situation to ask for forgiveness in as you struggle along in your development.

Trey screwed himself.....

Definitely. He is in the same spot with a more entrenched starter. At least with the 49ers, there was a slight chance and he knows this system- three straight training camps here. Idk...crazy to me that he wouldn't want to beat out Darnold.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I agree. Kap did some great things for a couple of years. This team is more talented offensively and I can't see Trey having the run Kap did 2012 - 2013 season.

Definitely. He is in the same spot with a more entrenched starter. At least with the 49ers, there was a slight chance and he knows this system- three straight training camps here. Idk...crazy to me that he wouldn't want to beat out Darnold.

He had no chance to beat out Darnold because there wasn't a competition. They've been off Trey for a min. He was clearly the better player than Darnold in camp and preseason.
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I agree. Kap did some great things for a couple of years. This team is more talented offensively and I can't see Trey having the run Kap did 2012 - 2013 season.

Definitely. He is in the same spot with a more entrenched starter. At least with the 49ers, there was a slight chance and he knows this system- three straight training camps here. Idk...crazy to me that he wouldn't want to beat out Darnold.

He had no chance to beat out Darnold because there wasn't a competition. They've been off Trey for a min. He was clearly the better player than Darnold in camp and preseason.
Lance was QB1 in OTAs. When Brock returned, Lance was QB2

he's been here for 3 camps now, he's had plenty of chances
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by genus49:

Trey tried to fight for his spot and I'm not sure he ever got a real shot at it. I don't have any issue with him asking to be traded considering the team never fully supported him and even when they named him QB1 last year they hedged their bets by bringing Jimmy back.

I disagree. The team gave him every opportunity considering the team was competing for the Super Bowl when he was drafted. It was a good situation for him to sit and learn for a year before facing live bullets. Bringing JG back was a wise move that protected the overall interests of the team, especially considering Lance had been injured. JG accepted the backup role with grace.

In the end, it was just a bad match overall.

It's ok to disagree but it's pretty evident from all accounts and the results that they weren't sold on Trey for long if ever.

They gave him the reigns last season but kept Jimmy around to hedge their bet with Trey.

It's hard for a young kid to win over the locker room when the team keeps the guy who battled and won and bonded with that locker room. You saw articles before even week 1 saying how if Trey struggles they will go with Jimmy.

Thats not a way to fully support your guy. Look at what the Patriots did with Mac Jones. They got rid of Cam Newton and made sure Jones could play loose and not worry about the proven vet behind him.

It is what it is and I don't get wtf we were thinking but they definitely didn't help Trey feel like they were 100% behind him as their guy.

Clearly last season, the plan was for Trey to be the starter, so they tried to trade Jimmy. But Trey's lack of development gave the team no choice but to get Jimmy back last minute. That was on Trey. He wasn't ready at all.

Whether it was on Trey or not that's not fully supporting the kid.

His issue was the finger injury messing up his mechanics. Just look at the jump he made this offseason in that regard.

He's off the team now so it doesn't matter any more but at no point did the team provide an opportunity for Trey to start and not feel like he has to be perfect to keep his job. That's not fully supporting the kid and that's a terrible way to develop a guy with limited experience.

Which takes me back to…WTF were we thinking???

I always gave them credit for going for it but you can't make that move and then tie the kids shoelaces together then see how he does.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I agree. Kap did some great things for a couple of years. This team is more talented offensively and I can't see Trey having the run Kap did 2012 - 2013 season.

Definitely. He is in the same spot with a more entrenched starter. At least with the 49ers, there was a slight chance and he knows this system- three straight training camps here. Idk...crazy to me that he wouldn't want to beat out Darnold.

He had no chance to beat out Darnold because there wasn't a competition. They've been off Trey for a min. He was clearly the better player than Darnold in camp and preseason.
Lance was QB1 in OTAs. When Brock returned, Lance was QB2

he's been here for 3 camps now, he's had plenty of chances

They alternated Lance and Darnold every practice whether QB1 without Brock being there or QB2 with Brock there.

Kyle also explicitly said OTAs weren't part of the "competition"

I also don't buy for a second that Darnold really beat out Trey. They decided Brock is the guy and didn't want fans clamoring for another guy should there be a rough patch and knew they would get some cap relief next year and could get more value for Trey vs Darnold.

We saw what a QB2 Sam Darnold looked like Friday night.
Originally posted by pdc20:
Originally posted by tankle104:
A lot of interesting takes in here. They said that early on in training camp, it was clear darnold was better than Lance, darnold kept getting better and Lance just didn't.

i know we heard a bunch of stuff from Twitter people and all of that but they don't know what the hell is going on. Sounds like Lance was a lot worse than we thought and I think the team trading him to the cowboys says a lot, how little they really think of him.

https://www.youtube.com/live/RYXySsHeydY?si=4ArMja4xThdcj9-Z

Oh I'm sure Middlekauff doesn't have any bias since he thought from day one this back-up competition was rigged in favor of Darnold the day he signed and he always said he thought Darnold had more potential with this team than Lance.
I heard guys like Larry Krueger, Jack Hammer or Matt Maiocco say that they thought there wasn't any separation between Darnold or Lance and that quite clearly Allen was well behind the three other QBs.
And from what I saw in pre-season, I have a hard time thinking Sam Darnold is that much better than Lance as raw as he is.

The reality is that they wanted to trade Lance, the moment the season ended against the Eagles.
Lynch at the combine said that "Trey needs to play." and that certainly means he needs to play on another team.
They signed Darnold the second day of Free Agency IIRC. Darnold signed a 4.5 millions + incentives for every game play deal. Who does that to be in a competion to be the back up? They had Matt Maiocco b******ting us with the "best natural thrower of the football in Niners History" to sell us on Darnold. And who told him that? It's definetely Kyle. He talks like that just like his buddy Chris Simms.
Besides, Sam Darnold and Trey Lance have the same agents. There's zero chance they didn't know what would happen ultimately. Why these agents would put Darnold on the same team as Lance? It makes no sense unless they knew the Niners wanted to trade Trey.
They signed Brandon Allen who was the back up of Joe Burrow. Why this guy who was the back-up with the f**king Bengals would want to come here and be the fourth stringer? They had a plan because they think long term here. You can't have Purdy and Lance on the same team in the future. Maybe this season but then next year, you had to trade Trey to have cap space. So they wanted to do it now and that's ok. It's Football, it's a business, sometimes things just don't work and you have to move on like they did with Solomon Thomas, Dante Pettis or Javon Kinlaw just to name a few.
Nobody is perfect. If you hit on three or four draft picks every year, you're happy quite frankly. You're only judged on your win/loss record ultimately. And those three first round picks seriously, who cares at the end of the day. They're still a Superbowl contender every year. And I look at that infamous 2021 draft and the only guy I would have taken apart from Trevor Lawrence is Micah Parsons and he's a piece of s**t. Future HOF player but still piece of s**t. I love Jamar Chase but they already had Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk at this point. Yeah maybe Sewell or Slater, that would be great for this team I agree.

But to get back to the Trey Lance conversation, I really doubt that Kyle waked up in training camp and was like "Damn, Sam is so much better than Trey, he's the back-up.". He made his choice a long time ago. He's all in with Purdy and you can't really keep Purdy and Lance on the same team specially with all the noise from the fans if Purdy struggles one game or two which will definetely happen since he's a freaking 23 yeard old sophomore. With Darnold, there's no problems. Who wants Darnold on the field seriously?
And that's what this team needs. One guy to lead the team and everyone behind him. Now that puts ton of pressure on Purdy specially coming back from a major injury.
Regardless of whether Trey is here or not, in the locker room, the team has been all behind Brock. I think Kyle can take care of the outside noise by being firm. The majority of the hardcore fans also know how bad Trey is, so I don't think that is a reason why Trey cannot remain on this team.

I think what happened was San beat Trey for the QB2 role fair and square, and Trey wanted out
[ Edited by libertyforever on Aug 27, 2023 at 7:41 AM ]
the mods are probably the happiest for the TL trade, what are they going to do with all their time now that they dont have to patrol this thread any longer ?
Originally posted by genus49:
They alternated Lance and Darnold every practice whether QB1 without Brock being there or QB2 with Brock there.

Kyle also explicitly said OTAs weren't part of the "competition"

I also don't buy for a second that Darnold really beat out Trey. They decided Brock is the guy and didn't want fans clamoring for another guy should there be a rough patch and knew they would get some cap relief next year and could get more value for Trey vs Darnold.

We saw what a QB2 Sam Darnold looked like Friday night.

There was an entire national firestorm of ex ball players, saying they are done with Lance, and they don't want to see anymore Trey Lance.. after the LV game. He can't play Genus, he' just ain't it. Never was. To say he is a real guy, better than Sam, and he lost the comp due to some bizarre politics, it's delusional. Sam is a much better thrower, he went to USC, he has played a ton more ball, he spins it better with less wobble, he moves better, his arm is better, etc. Watch the preseason film, Sam was a lot cleaner, much better tape. It was obvious, who QB2 was.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
They alternated Lance and Darnold every practice whether QB1 without Brock being there or QB2 with Brock there.

Kyle also explicitly said OTAs weren't part of the "competition"

I also don't buy for a second that Darnold really beat out Trey. They decided Brock is the guy and didn't want fans clamoring for another guy should there be a rough patch and knew they would get some cap relief next year and could get more value for Trey vs Darnold.

We saw what a QB2 Sam Darnold looked like Friday night.

There was an entire national firestorm of ex ball players, saying they are done with Lance, and they don't want to see anymore Trey Lance.. after the LV game. He can't play Genus, he' just ain't it. Never was. To say he is a real guy, better than Sam, and he lost the comp due to some bizarre politics, it's delusional. Sam is a much better thrower, he went to USC, he has played a ton more ball, he spins it better with less wobble, he moves better, his arm is better, etc. Watch the preseason film, Sam was a lot cleaner, much better tape. It was obvious, who QB2 was.

Darnold's problem has always been poor decision making. He can make some great throws and then he'll throw one right to the defense. He'll squeeze the ballinto tight windows and the somehow miss a wide open receiver by a mile.

No question he's a better athlete with a better arm than Brock but he doesn't see the field or make the quick decisions.
Originally posted by genus49:
Whether it was on Trey or not that's not fully supporting the kid.

His issue was the finger injury messing up his mechanics. Just look at the jump he made this offseason in that regard.

He's off the team now so it doesn't matter any more but at no point did the team provide an opportunity for Trey to start and not feel like he has to be perfect to keep his job. That's not fully supporting the kid and that's a terrible way to develop a guy with limited experience.

Which takes me back to…WTF were we thinking???

I always gave them credit for going for it but you can't make that move and then tie the kids shoelaces together then see how he does.

I wouldn't say he had to be perfect when he was the starter, I think just about everyone expected it to be bumpy. Kyle has talked about that and I remember Kittle said in an interview "as long as he doesn't throw too many interceptions we should be able to win" or something like that.

i just think he had to be better than what he was, and the question was how long does he have to play to get to that point. I think the team was willing to find that out last year (and hoping it was only like 8 games or so). I personally think it was closer to a season or two.

but I agree with the "wtf were we thinking", I've been saying that for years now. Lol

i think the big mistake the team made was drastically under estimating how raw he was and how long it would take him to catch up. In comparison to most NFL QBs, he is like 3-4 years short of reps once they reach the nfl. That's including high school and college.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Aug 27, 2023 at 8:20 AM ]
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Darnold's problem has always been poor decision making. He can make some great throws and then he'll throw one right to the defense. He'll squeeze the ballinto tight windows and the somehow miss a wide open receiver by a mile.

No question he's a better athlete with a better arm than Brock but he doesn't see the field or make the quick decisions.

Seemed to me that most of his drives were screwed up by penalties and/or dropped passes. He wasn't perfect but I think if you put him in with the starters, you can get more reliable play to win a game then you can Lance right Now. I think that's what some are missing.

It isn't a matter of the future and who can/will be better, it's which one can give more reliable play this season. Since we know what darnold is good and bad at, it's much easier to put him in situations to win. We really never found out what Lance did well on the field.
Darnold seems like a better backup for the type of offense they are going to run for Purdy
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