Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Pretty clear Trey Lance (aka his agent) ain't about to sign anything until this is done. Pretty clear what the holdup is https://t.co/MV2sKC7To2

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) July 27, 2021

If I were the Jets I'd want my starting QB in camp ASAP. They don't have a bridge QB on their roster, so Wilson is almost certainly going to start week one whether they get him up to speed or not.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Let me rephrase:

You're saying NY is "insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise"

Those are your own words right?

That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one.

It's funny cause you also say he's not dealing with facts but he's literally listing #'s while you're using hyperbole and emotion.

The whole post just sounded very hypocritical from top to bottom unless I missed something else where NY said we're "screwed"

Ok well go back to the original post and read it again.

Pointing out how Bosa is going to sit out unless he gets an extension after his 3rd season. How we have all the corners to sign certainly screams cap problems.

My point is...we're able to pay Jimmy and make any moves we need to make after this season without Jimmy's pay cut.

And i said what i said because the idea of Bosa sitting out unless he gets an extension is from complete left field. There is 0 evidence that something like that would happen. And while NY's numbers are correct the assumption that we can't re-sign or sign whoever we want next offseason is what I questioned.

That also doesn't bring in the biggest hypothetical in here...which is that Jimmy will be the backup.

It's why I've been screaming for pages between avoiding these threads before camp started saying we'll see which guy earns the job. Until then this round and round stuff is stupid.

Got it?

Got it.

I didn't see part about not paying Bosa so I get your perspective. We should be fine either way in retaining our core players.

But I still think NY has a point regardless of paying Bosa. 20m is 20m. And it does matter to think about and discuss a pay cut for Jimmy because that's a lot of money that we could utilize. I don't share the same feeling as NY but I get it.

And this is a Trey Lance thread so it's safe to assume people will talk about when he will eventually take over as the starter. If that's too hypothetical of a conversation maybe you shouldn't read it like you mentioned already. I've certainly avoided certain threads for less.

When is my boy Trey going to sign?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Let me rephrase:

You're saying NY is "insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise"

Those are your own words right?

That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one.

It's funny cause you also say he's not dealing with facts but he's literally listing #'s while you're using hyperbole and emotion.

The whole post just sounded very hypocritical from top to bottom unless I missed something else where NY said we're "screwed"

Ok well go back to the original post and read it again.

Pointing out how Bosa is going to sit out unless he gets an extension after his 3rd season. How we have all the corners to sign certainly screams cap problems.

My point is...we're able to pay Jimmy and make any moves we need to make after this season without Jimmy's pay cut.

And i said what i said because the idea of Bosa sitting out unless he gets an extension is from complete left field. There is 0 evidence that something like that would happen. And while NY's numbers are correct the assumption that we can't re-sign or sign whoever we want next offseason is what I questioned.

That also doesn't bring in the biggest hypothetical in here...which is that Jimmy will be the backup.

It's why I've been screaming for pages between avoiding these threads before camp started saying we'll see which guy earns the job. Until then this round and round stuff is stupid.

Got it?

Got it.

I didn't see part about not paying Bosa so I get your perspective. We should be fine either way in retaining our core players.

But I still think NY has a point regardless of paying Bosa. 20m is 20m. And it does matter to think about and discuss a pay cut for Jimmy because that's a lot of money that we could utilize. I don't share the same feeling as NY but I get it.

And this is a Trey Lance thread so it's safe to assume people will talk about when he will eventually take over as the starter. If that's too hypothetical of a conversation maybe you shouldn't read it like you mentioned already. I've certainly avoided certain threads for less.

"If that's too hypothetical of a conversation maybe you shouldn't read it"
Lol
glad your looking out for your fellow posters

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Let me rephrase:

You're saying NY is "insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise"

Those are your own words right?

That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one.

It's funny cause you also say he's not dealing with facts but he's literally listing #'s while you're using hyperbole and emotion.

The whole post just sounded very hypocritical from top to bottom unless I missed something else where NY said we're "screwed"

Ok well go back to the original post and read it again.

Pointing out how Bosa is going to sit out unless he gets an extension after his 3rd season. How we have all the corners to sign certainly screams cap problems.

My point is...we're able to pay Jimmy and make any moves we need to make after this season without Jimmy's pay cut.

And i said what i said because the idea of Bosa sitting out unless he gets an extension is from complete left field. There is 0 evidence that something like that would happen. And while NY's numbers are correct the assumption that we can't re-sign or sign whoever we want next offseason is what I questioned.

That also doesn't bring in the biggest hypothetical in here...which is that Jimmy will be the backup.

It's why I've been screaming for pages between avoiding these threads before camp started saying we'll see which guy earns the job. Until then this round and round stuff is stupid.

Got it?

Got it.

I didn't see part about not paying Bosa so I get your perspective. We should be fine either way in retaining our core players.

But I still think NY has a point regardless of paying Bosa. 20m is 20m. And it does matter to think about and discuss a pay cut for Jimmy because that's a lot of money that we could utilize. I don't share the same feeling as NY but I get it.

And this is a Trey Lance thread so it's safe to assume people will talk about when he will eventually take over as the starter. If that's too hypothetical of a conversation maybe you shouldn't read it like you mentioned already. I've certainly avoided certain threads for less.

if we sign Bosa before 2022, we won't take a 20 mil hit until 2023

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if we sign Bosa before 2022, we won't take a 20 mil hit until 2023

All depends on the signing bonus....also it's not just about Bosa I just threw that out there, it's about having money in general.

You can't keep resetting the market over and over. Why no one wants and extra $41.4M next yr to help out young QB is beyond me. That cash can keep rolling over as well. Doesn't have to be spent in 2022 either. I just want that cash going to the future of the team not a QB that has none and can't stay healthy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if we sign Bosa before 2022, we won't take a 20 mil hit until 2023

All depends on the signing bonus....also it's not just about Bosa I just threw that out there, it's about having money in general.

You can't keep resetting the market over and over. Why no one wants and extra $41.4M next yr to help out young QB is beyond me.

who is no one ?

Originally posted by genus49:
Well Wilson's contract SHOULD be better than Lance's. He got drafted ahead of him.

I'm confident Lance isn't going to miss that first practice. I'd be absolutely shocked if he isn't signed by then.

The contract language doesn't have to be,...as QBs. We'll see. No need to be shocked or panic though. Jimmy is starting game 1 anyway,....right?

Originally posted by mayo49:
When is my boy Trey going to sign?

Thursday.

Originally posted by mayo49:
When is my boy Trey going to sign?

30 seconds before TC

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by mayo49:
When is my boy Trey going to sign?

30 seconds before TC

30 seconds is all Mayo needs

What's the deal with Shanny - first he says there's going to be a Qb competition, now he says that there's no competition and that Jimmy is the starter and Trey is the back up?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31899639/kyle-shanahan-makes-clear-san-francisco-49ers-open-camp-there-no-open-competition-right-now-no-1-quarterback

Originally posted by mayo49:
What's the deal with Shanny - first he says there's going to be a Qb competition, now he says that there's no competition and that Jimmy is the starter and Trey is the back up?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31899639/kyle-shanahan-makes-clear-san-francisco-49ers-open-camp-there-no-open-competition-right-now-no-1-quarterback

He said everyone will know when there is an open QB competition because everyone will be able to see it. If lance balls out in preseason game 1, Kyle will have no choice but to announce game on.

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

Originally posted by mayo49:
What's the deal with Shanny - first he says there's going to be a Qb competition, now he says that there's no competition and that Jimmy is the starter and Trey is the back up?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31899639/kyle-shanahan-makes-clear-san-francisco-49ers-open-camp-there-no-open-competition-right-now-no-1-quarterback

He said everyone will know when there is an open QB competition because everyone will be able to see it. If lance balls out in preseason game 1, Kyle will have no choice but to announce game on.

LOL... "Kyle has no choice". Of course he does, he will decide when and if there is a competition. And doing great in one preseason game isn't likely to persuade him.