Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Enjoy holding the clipboard rook

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Let me rephrase:

You're saying NY is "insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise"

Those are your own words right?

That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one.

It's funny cause you also say he's not dealing with facts but he's literally listing #'s while you're using hyperbole and emotion.

The whole post just sounded very hypocritical from top to bottom unless I missed something else where NY said we're "screwed"

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021

Cash flow and offset language on guarantees. Minor stuff in the grand scheme of things but agents fight for it. Wilson's and Lance's agents are worried the other guy's deal will be better than theirs.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021

so really they're waiting for Zack Wilson

Well Wilson's contract SHOULD be better than Lance's. He got drafted ahead of him.

I'm confident Lance isn't going to miss that first practice. I'd be absolutely shocked if he isn't signed by then.

it's not about being better. That is non-negotiable

it's about offset dates and guarantees.. mainly towards the end of the contract which in reality they won't really need to worry about if they play well in their career

Originally posted by genus49:
Well Wilson's contract SHOULD be better than Lance's. He got drafted ahead of him.

I'm confident Lance isn't going to miss that first practice. I'd be absolutely shocked if he isn't signed by then.

Wilson's agent is a former agent of CAA (CAA reps Lance). I'm sure he wants all the GTDs and such to be better than Lance's deal.

This would be much different if they were represented by the same agency. s**t would have been done.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Let me rephrase:

You're saying NY is "insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise"

Those are your own words right?

That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one.

It's funny cause you also say he's not dealing with facts but he's literally listing #'s while you're using hyperbole and emotion.

The whole post just sounded very hypocritical from top to bottom unless I missed something else where NY said we're "screwed"

Ok well go back to the original post and read it again.

Pointing out how Bosa is going to sit out unless he gets an extension after his 3rd season. How we have all the corners to sign certainly screams cap problems.

My point is...we're able to pay Jimmy and make any moves we need to make after this season without Jimmy's pay cut.

And i said what i said because the idea of Bosa sitting out unless he gets an extension is from complete left field. There is 0 evidence that something like that would happen. And while NY's numbers are correct the assumption that we can't re-sign or sign whoever we want next offseason is what I questioned.

That also doesn't bring in the biggest hypothetical in here...which is that Jimmy will be the backup.

It's why I've been screaming for pages between avoiding these threads before camp started saying we'll see which guy earns the job. Until then this round and round stuff is stupid.

Got it?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?

Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.

That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.

I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.

Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.

People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.

I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.

This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.

I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.

Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.

Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?

You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?

Wait… NY is saying that if we get Jimmy to take a pay cut we save 20million.

YOU'RE the one saying "we're screwed cap wise" if we don't make the same move.

Now who's reaching for straws?

Facts vs Hypotheticals? Are you saying NY's #'s are wrong?

What are you talking about? My point is we're fine cap wise if we don't have Jimmy take the paycut. How did you read what I wrote and got that i'm saying we're screwed cap wise?

Let me rephrase:

You're saying NY is "insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise"

Those are your own words right?

That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one.

It's funny cause you also say he's not dealing with facts but he's literally listing #'s while you're using hyperbole and emotion.

The whole post just sounded very hypocritical from top to bottom unless I missed something else where NY said we're "screwed"

I'll I said was I would rather have $41M in freed up cap space in for 2022 & STILL have Jimmy for this yr vs having $25M in freed up cap space and MAYBE I mean maybe a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy in 2022. Toss in that injuries are a concern along with a legit scenario where he's benched at some point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Well Wilson's contract SHOULD be better than Lance's. He got drafted ahead of him.

I'm confident Lance isn't going to miss that first practice. I'd be absolutely shocked if he isn't signed by then.

Wilson's agent is a former agent of CAA (CAA reps Lance). I'm sure he wants all the GTDs and such to be better than Lance's deal.

This would be much different if they were represented by the same agency. s**t would have been done.

Annoying but I'm confident Lance will not let the agent f**k him up just cuz he's trying to make a name for himself or upstage his old agency.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers Trent Williams on Trey Lance, "I think he is going to take the league by storm when he's ready."

— Alex Tran (@nineralex) July 27, 2021

I think so too. "When he is ready". Have to wait and see when Shanahan thinks that is.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers Trent Williams on Trey Lance, "I think he is going to take the league by storm when he's ready."

— Alex Tran (@nineralex) July 27, 2021

hopefully he is that good

Originally posted by genus49:
Annoying but I'm confident Lance will not let the agent f**k him up just cuz he's trying to make a name for himself or upstage his old agency.

No that's Wilson's agent...Lance is represented by CAA not Wilson.

Lance moving up from #3 to #2

16min into the pod

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Lance moving up from #3 to #2

not yet.. we will see tomorrow i guess