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Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by Koldo:
I can hardly feel excited about a training camp battle between a below average QB and a player not currently under contract with the team.
So when Trey signs today will your excitement level have a slight uptick?
I'll even root for him to be the Day 1 starter.
Originally posted by Koldo:
I can hardly feel excited about a training camp battle between a below average QB and a player not currently under contract with the team.
Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by Koldo:
I can hardly feel excited about a training camp battle between a below average QB and a player not currently under contract with the team.
So when Trey signs today will your excitement level have a slight uptick?
I'll even root for him to be the Day 1 starter.
I'm totally down for that scenario too.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?
Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.
That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.
I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.
Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.
People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.
I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.
This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.
Originally posted by cciowa:
i want the guy who wins the competition fair and square. i do not care the names. i am not emotionally invested in either one. just whoever and whatever gives us the best chance to win. if trey does set out some time with his contract thing. well. i am sure jimmy will take full advantage of that
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you mean what is my point?
Let's say they ask Jimmy to rip up his contract and take a 1yr $12M deal (12th highest paid QB this yr and more in line with what he is) toss some incentives in there.
That's $41.4M that you can then use in 2022 (an extra $14.4M for this yr/roll over)
If they just ride it out and cut him then they get $25.6M in 2022.
I never said we "couldn't" make moves, where did I say that? I said I would absolutely like to have an extra $41M in extra cap space instead of $25.6M heading into 2022, or at least have that option. Why would you not? We got a QB that overall isn't worth his current cap hit, might not be the year long starter, AND injury prone...but you're totally fine giving him all that money? No thanks.
Why wouldn't Bosa sit out if he balls out this yr? They can still give him an extension (and still have the 5th yr option and 4th yr on the deal). He will want a hefty signing bonus though. That extra money can help with all kinds of things, given that we don't have any 1sts for years.
People assuming we can trade Jimmy is also a reach imo. I'll take that extra cash to pay our own or a couple good FAs vs banking on getting a day 2 or 3 pick for Jimmy down the road.
I mean reducing his cap hit this yr, makes it more likely they could move him before the deadline just as well.
This all is depending on how everyone looks during TC too.
I mean because once again you're insinuating that if Jimmy doesn't take a pay cut we're somehow screwed cap wise but that's not the case.
Am i fine with giving Jimmy all that money? No. But it's not my money. If they feel paying him that money so he plays nice nice all year before working with us to get him traded then I'm good with it.
Why would Bosa sit out? Nobody has been sitting out after the latest CBA. Bosa isn't from a family strapped for cash. His brother just cashed in after his 4th season. Yet you want to act like Nick will sit out the season if we don't extend him after his 3rd year and only 2 years on the field?
You're reaching for straws hard to make your basic point which is filled with feelings vs rationality. How about we stick to facts vs hypotheticals?
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
From the horse's mouth. There's no QB competition. Jimmy's the #1 and Trey's the #2. Sorry guys, but sometimes you need to be realistic.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
#49ers HC Kyle Shanahan told reporters that Jimmy Garoppolo is the starting QB. Trey Lance is the #2. There is no open competition right now.
— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) July 27, 2021
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Kyle cut this off before it started. Smart.
#49ers HC Kyle Shanahan told reporters that Jimmy Garoppolo is the starting QB. Trey Lance is the #2. There is no open competition right now.
— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) July 27, 2021
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Kyle cut this off before it started. Smart.
#49ers HC Kyle Shanahan told reporters that Jimmy Garoppolo is the starting QB. Trey Lance is the #2. There is no open competition right now.
— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) July 27, 2021
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Cash flow and offset language on guarantees. Minor stuff in the grand scheme of things but agents fight for it. Wilson's and Lance's agents are worried the other guy's deal will be better than theirs.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Kyle cut this off before it started. Smart.
#49ers HC Kyle Shanahan told reporters that Jimmy Garoppolo is the starting QB. Trey Lance is the #2. There is no open competition right now.
— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) July 27, 2021
Kyle already said that if Lance looks like he's ready to compete then it will be an open competition.
Selective hearing some of you…
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch says they're hopeful Trey Lance will sign soon. "We've never had a holdout but it always seems to go down to the wire." Adds "It's important he is here," as it is for any rookie but particularly for a QB.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
Cash flow and offset language on guarantees. Minor stuff in the grand scheme of things but agents fight for it. Wilson's and Lance's agents are worried the other guy's deal will be better than theirs.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) July 27, 2021
so really they're waiting for Zack Wilson