Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

You have a lot of guts writing off Brock's performance to him being a system QB. All other GMs in the league wish they drafted him. They are also all damn glad they didn't draft Lance.

Can't give Purdy his props for all that he accomplished last season, but then demands that everyone to praise Lance, when he hasn't showed even half of what Purdy did last year. Crazy lol

I give Purdy tons of props for what he was able to do last season. He played amazing and showcased how Jimmy held us back. He put up 30 a game which is stellar play.

Doesn't mean he's the best long term qb for the 49ers, but it also doesn't mean he isn't the best long term qb for the 49ers.

It's hard to know without more data points from esp Trey the #3 overall pick in the draft and the qb drafted specifically to get us over the hump in the SB vs qbs like Mahomes and Burrow etc.

Maybe Brock will be able to beat Mahomes head to head in a SB - he better as if he is taking Trey Lance's place as QB1 and handed the reigns - it's winning the SB or bust. But until either Trey or Brock get #6 for us then I won't be sold on either of them as THE guy long term.

Shanahan seems to think he knows what's best long term.

SHanahan also has a love affair crush on Kirk mother f**king Cousins, ignored Lynch's call before the Mahomes draft telling him we may need to reassess based on Mahomes sensational personal workout he displayed pre-draft due to said love affair w Kirk Cousins. And now his interest in Darnold to sign him after 55 games of doo doo play and take reps from his #3 overall draft pick when reps are the primary things he needs etc etc.

Let's just say I don't automatically trust his judgment on who the best qb long term is.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Shanahan seems to think he knows what's best long term.

What he's looking for in a QB to run his offense doesn't matter, what matters is what some Joe blow on the internet thinks lol

doesnt matter that Brock was running the offense at it's best since probably Matt Ryan's MVP year. And putting up stellar pts per game. Lol

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

You have a lot of guts writing off Brock's performance to him being a system QB. All other GMs in the league wish they drafted him. They are also all damn glad they didn't draft Lance.

Can't give Purdy his props for all that he accomplished last season, but then demands that everyone to praise Lance, when he hasn't showed even half of what Purdy did last year. Crazy lol

I give Purdy tons of props for what he was able to do last season. He played amazing and showcased how Jimmy held us back. He put up 30 a game which is stellar play.

Doesn't mean he's the best long term qb for the 49ers, but it also doesn't mean he isn't the best long term qb for the 49ers.

It's hard to know without more data points from esp Trey the #3 overall pick in the draft and the qb drafted specifically to get us over the hump in the SB vs qbs like Mahomes and Burrow etc.

Maybe Brock will be able to beat Mahomes head to head in a SB - he better as if he is taking Trey Lance's place as QB1 and handed the reigns - it's winning the SB or bust. But until either Trey or Brock get #6 for us then I won't be sold on either of them as THE guy long term.

Shanahan seems to think he knows what's best long term.

SHanahan also has a love affair crush on Kirk mother f**king Cousins, ignored Lynch's call before the Mahomes draft telling him we may need to reassess based on Mahomes sensational personal workout he displayed pre-draft due to said love affair w Kirk Cousins. And now his interest in Darnold to sign him after 55 games of doo doo play and take reps from his #3 overall draft pick when reps are the primary things he needs etc etc.

Let's just say I don't automatically trust his judgment on who the best qb long term is.

But you don't question his decision making when it comes to trading huge capital to draft Lance? He couldn't have made a mistake there, only when it comes to Brock lol

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What he's looking for in a QB to run his offense doesn't matter, what matters is what some Joe blow on the internet thinks lol

doesnt matter that Brock was running the offense at it's best since probably Matt Ryan's MVP year. And putting up stellar pts per game. Lol

Well if he wants people to stop questioning his decision making when it comes to the QB position, Win the damn Superbowl.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.

I wanted to see Lance play a handful of consecutive games and vs Dallas Week 5 Sunday night football and see if Trey would put up more than 19 points on the Cowboys and compare the two QBs.

Wished nothing but Brock returning to 💯 percent and experiencing no ill effects from his injury - just preferred it by Week 6 to get more data points on our blue chip #3 overall draft pick selected because Jimmy wasn't good enough before we handed over the reigns to the the last pick in the draft who happened to play at a top level for seven games. Makes no difference when I wanted Brock healthy because I wanted him back at 100 percent. Now if I wanted Brock to never be the same qb again because of his injury and never fully recover from it then yeah that would be an opinion worthy of condemnation. Brock being 💯 Week 1 or Week 6 is still the same thing... as he is still 💯

The only thing dumber than trading all those 1st round picks for a bust is trading him before you know what you have or don't have in the player and then he goes somewhere else and lights up the league and becomes a top 5 qb. The only way to know what we have is more data points, hence Brock coming back Week 6 at 100 percent would enable that.

Like I said, you hoped he would remain unhealthy until week 6 so that Lance could get reps. You just said the same exact thing. I never said you wanted him to stay hurt for the rest of his career.

Brock was going to be week 1 starter so best way for Lance to get on the field is for Brock to not be healthy, therefore you hoped he would take longer so that your preferred QB can play.

Yes I hoped he would take longer so my preferred qb for the LONG TERM success of the team could play

Yeah, that's what I said. You hoped he would remain unhealthy so that your preferred QB can play. Not necessarily what's best for the team but what was best for your preferred QB. I'm sure if Kyle felt Lance was the better option he would start him. We don't have to hope for Brock to be unhealthy for that.

Wbo says I didn't think it was best for the team?

I did think that.

I think it is best for THE TEAM to find out who they have in Trey Lance before they make decisions to trade him.

I believe would still have won games w Trey starting the first five and go 3-2 or 4-1 with that schedule- and if he was really looking mediocre (even during wins) then we could just go w Brock the rest of the year and have a little more data to go on about Trey's ability and a more informed projection of upside.

We have a good idea of what Brock is albeit with a very small sample size of his own - we have no idea what Trey is or is not. I think it is better for THE TEAM long term to have a good idea of what Trey is before committing to another qb long term.

And to you that's not good enough, right? That's why you want the team to continue looking, even though all the film, statistics, and Kyles opinion disagree with that opinion. Okay…

I want the team to look at all the players already on the roster which includes the #3 overall draft pick. Trey hasn't had enough starts to know if he is top 5 qb material or just mediocre or even a bust. We just don't know - but he was drafted because Shanalynch thought he had top 5 elite qb potential. Brock was drafted as an afterthought to compete for a roster spot as a backup qb and when he got his chance played absolutely out of his mind. Let's see if that continues for a whole season here including the playoffs.

Kyle even said himself that he thinks Trey if he had not gotten injured had the ability to play as good as Brock did. But that Brock actually got to prove it in games since he did not get his ankle shattered in half after 1 game. So Kyle's opinion is more about going with Brock because of his stellar play last year while simultaneously believing Trey has all the ability to play every but as good as Brock did if he had been able to stay on the field to show it. That's not Kyle believing Brock is better than Trey but that Brock earned QB1 for now because of his level of play last season for 7 games. Brock was not outperforming Lance during training camp and it was quite close between the two of them.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The Trey haters in the media "We are going to pretend the last 2 drives never happened"

Must be nice to be able to just pick and choose and or ignore the plays you want to fit your narative. If there was ever a doubt that a certain group have a personal bias against Trey, There is no doubt anymore. There was 3 things that I figured were going to happen after this performance.

1.The critics were going to stay completely silent and not comment on the perfomance at all. And this did happen with a few.
2.People will make excuses as to why he had some success. This happened alot. Mostly among this board.
3.People will still find a way to say he was awful. And just pick and choose the negative plays and ignore the really good. This also happened.

No one cares if a Mustang 5.0 beat a couple of Sonatas.... It's a mustang...No s**t it beat up cars that will not be on the track when the actual races starts...

What people want to know is can that Mustang be upgraded enough with the spare time we have to work on it to be competitive in races that people bring actual SUPER CARS to the track.

It is a yes or no answer, because we happen to have another 5.0 that someone has spent a few years already working on.

Yet here you are.... cheering about beating up some Sonatas and VW bugs, thinking people must have some personal bias because they don't put the same weight into accomplishment that you do...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
This is what I mean when I say "Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde". Trey had some god awful plays. That makes you wonder what the hell was he thinking, some where so bad they couldn't even be picked.

then he has some excellent plays. Great anticipation, placement, timing. All the good stuff. This all happened within one quarter of play. Lol it's wild.

overall, I think Trey had a solid game. It's hard to say it was a great game for me when a good chunk of his plays are really bad, but ultimately he came through when he was needed and I think that's awesome.

regarding QB2/3, I think because he's so sporadic and darnold has shown more consistency (also just experience - good or bad), darnold will be the QB2, but Trey still has a chance.

with that said, just cause darnold takes it early in the season, doesn't mean Trey can't take it back as the season goes on. I don't view it as "whoever wins it now, has it all season".

it was cool to see Lance grow during the game though. Made some really nice plays, it was really fun to see. Long way to go but they're steps in the right direction and that's what we like to see. Kudos for that very fun game winning drive. Might of been the funnest pre season game I've ever seen.

Give Trey the bulk of the reps in the final game. He plays well and it looks consistent he wins the #2 spot. If it doesn't then its Darnold.

Those plays that Trey made off script (throw to Martin on sideline, Throw to Martin that he dropped) are important because we won't have every play work well every time. That's the stuff Darnold struggles mightily at. So if he can show more consistency then you have to consider him as the backup because he can offer those things and Darnold can't. But if he's still hesitant and unsure you can't play him.

He made some really nice off schedule plays and his scrambling ability looked good. I think if you took all of the snaps he's had in the NFL, yesterdays pre season game was probably his best plays so far. It's just preseason but it's awesome to see them.

i think Lance will play first this next game. I expect Purdy to get the first 2-3 drives (depending on how the offense does. Kyle won't pull them if they go three & out. He will want them to get more reps). Then Lance will finish the half, he may play more in the second half if he didn't get many reps. Then darnold will finish it off. Depending on how everyone does - Allen might get some at the end.

i like that the first string is playing some before the regular season, get them in gear and hopefully we have a much better start.

just for fun, I'm a huge Brown fan. I think he's going to be an awesome player for us for a long time. He will be the starter next year when gipsons contract ends.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.

I wanted to see Lance play a handful of consecutive games and vs Dallas Week 5 Sunday night football and see if Trey would put up more than 19 points on the Cowboys and compare the two QBs.

Wished nothing but Brock returning to 💯 percent and experiencing no ill effects from his injury - just preferred it by Week 6 to get more data points on our blue chip #3 overall draft pick selected because Jimmy wasn't good enough before we handed over the reigns to the the last pick in the draft who happened to play at a top level for seven games. Makes no difference when I wanted Brock healthy because I wanted him back at 100 percent. Now if I wanted Brock to never be the same qb again because of his injury and never fully recover from it then yeah that would be an opinion worthy of condemnation. Brock being 💯 Week 1 or Week 6 is still the same thing... as he is still 💯

The only thing dumber than trading all those 1st round picks for a bust is trading him before you know what you have or don't have in the player and then he goes somewhere else and lights up the league and becomes a top 5 qb. The only way to know what we have is more data points, hence Brock coming back Week 6 at 100 percent would enable that.

Like I said, you hoped he would remain unhealthy until week 6 so that Lance could get reps. You just said the same exact thing. I never said you wanted him to stay hurt for the rest of his career.

Brock was going to be week 1 starter so best way for Lance to get on the field is for Brock to not be healthy, therefore you hoped he would take longer so that your preferred QB can play.

Yes I hoped he would take longer so my preferred qb for the LONG TERM success of the team could play

Yeah, that's what I said. You hoped he would remain unhealthy so that your preferred QB can play. Not necessarily what's best for the team but what was best for your preferred QB. I'm sure if Kyle felt Lance was the better option he would start him. We don't have to hope for Brock to be unhealthy for that.

Wbo says I didn't think it was best for the team?

I did think that.

I think it is best for THE TEAM to find out who they have in Trey Lance before they make decisions to trade him.

I believe would still have won games w Trey starting the first five and go 3-2 or 4-1 with that schedule- and if he was really looking mediocre (even during wins) then we could just go w Brock the rest of the year and have a little more data to go on about Trey's ability and a more informed projection of upside.

We have a good idea of what Brock is albeit with a very small sample size of his own - we have no idea what Trey is or is not. I think it is better for THE TEAM long term to have a good idea of what Trey is before committing to another qb long term.

And to you that's not good enough, right? That's why you want the team to continue looking, even though all the film, statistics, and Kyles opinion disagree with that opinion. Okay…

I want the team to look at all the players already on the roster which includes the #3 overall draft pick. Trey hasn't had enough starts to know if he is top 5 qb material or just mediocre or even a bust. We just don't know - but he was drafted because Shanalynch thought he had top 5 elite qb potential. Brock was drafted as an afterthought to compete for a roster spot as a backup qb and when he got his chance played absolutely out of his mind. Let's see if that continues for a whole season here including the playoffs.

Kyle even said himself that he thinks Trey if he had not gotten injured had the ability to play as good as Brock did. But that Brock actually got to prove it in games since he did not get his ankle shattered in half after 1 game. So Kyle's opinion is more about going with Brock because of his stellar play last year while simultaneously believing Trey has all the ability to play every but as good as Brock did if he had been able to stay on the field to show it. That's not Kyle believing Brock is better than Trey but that Brock earned QB1 for now because of his level of play last season for 7 games. Brock was not outperforming Lance during training camp and it was quite close between the two of them.

Kyle gets to look at Lance all the time. listen to what mike summer had to say when Vikings fans wanted him to get a look Kellen Mond


And before anyone gets butt hurt. I'm not comparing Lance to Kellen Mond, just saying that Kyle gets to see way more than us fans do regarding Lance. And has chosen to roll with Brock.

We have something that is working. And particularly well. Why should Kyle go to another QB just to please a faction of the fan base? He gets to see him all the time and has decided that Brock is the best choice at the moment.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What he's looking for in a QB to run his offense doesn't matter, what matters is what some Joe blow on the internet thinks lol

doesnt matter that Brock was running the offense at it's best since probably Matt Ryan's MVP year. And putting up stellar pts per game. Lol

Well if he wants people to stop questioning his decision making when it comes to the QB position, Win the damn Superbowl.

Bengals, Bills, Chargers coaches should be questioned for their QB decision making because they too haven't won it all either. Psshh and here they thought they had elite QBs lol

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I want the team to look at all the players already on the roster which includes the #3 overall draft pick. Trey hasn't had enough starts to know if he is top 5 qb material or just mediocre or even a bust. We just don't know - but he was drafted because Shanalynch thought he had top 5 elite qb potential. Brock was drafted as an afterthought to compete for a roster spot as a backup qb and when he got his chance played absolutely out of his mind. Let's see if that continues for a whole season here including the playoffs.

Kyle even said himself that he thinks Trey if he had not gotten injured had the ability to play as good as Brock did. But that Brock actually got to prove it in games since he did not get his ankle shattered in half after 1 game. So Kyle's opinion is more about going with Brock because of his stellar play last year while simultaneously believing Trey has all the ability to play every but as good as Brock did if he had been able to stay on the field to show it. That's not Kyle believing Brock is better than Trey but that Brock earned QB1 for now because of his level of play last season for 7 games. Brock was not outperforming Lance during training camp and it was quite close between the two of them.

This opinion, not just from you, continues to ignore key realities in our situation that contradict the opinion: namely that Trey is competing to be QB2 and wouldn't be if the team shared your outlook. You might say they signed Darnold because Trey wasn't healthy either… but that doesn't explain the competition once he is healthy, as he is right now. If they were focused on his development/potential he'd get every meaningful rep he could get secondary to Brock.

The team has told us through action where they stand. They have given themselves room to adjust stances based on new information/developments going forward. Brock is the short and long term guy right now. Trey is in a competition for a backup spot. The outlook is not the same as it was in 2022 or 2021. It might not be the same next year as it is now either.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
The Trey haters in the media "We are going to pretend the last 2 drives never happened"

Must be nice to be able to just pick and choose and or ignore the plays you want to fit your narative. If there was ever a doubt that a certain group have a personal bias against Trey, There is no doubt anymore. There was 3 things that I figured were going to happen after this performance.

1.The critics were going to stay completely silent and not comment on the perfomance at all. And this did happen with a few.
2.People will make excuses as to why he had some success. This happened alot. Mostly among this board.
3.People will still find a way to say he was awful. And just pick and choose the negative plays and ignore the really good. This also happened.

No one cares if a Mustang 5.0 beat a couple of Sonatas.... It's a mustang...No s**t it beat up cars that will not be on the track when the actual races starts...

What people want to know is can that Mustang be upgraded enough with the spare time we have to work on it to be competitive in races that people bring actual SUPER CARS to the track.

It is a yes or no answer, because we happen to have another 5.0 that someone has spent a few years already working on.

Yet here you are.... cheering about beating up some Sonatas and VW bugs, thinking people must have some personal bias because they don't put the same weight into accomplishment that you do...

Yet all week people were propping up 55+ game Pinto for his performance against 4th and 5th stringers. That's obvious bias. Trey takes a sack and we hear about it all week. Pinto takes 2 sacks with people open and have you said a single word? I have film in Pintos thread

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

You have a lot of guts writing off Brock's performance to him being a system QB. All other GMs in the league wish they drafted him. They are also all damn glad they didn't draft Lance.

Can't give Purdy his props for all that he accomplished last season, but then demands that everyone to praise Lance, when he hasn't showed even half of what Purdy did last year. Crazy lol

I give Purdy tons of props for what he was able to do last season. He played amazing and showcased how Jimmy held us back. He put up 30 a game which is stellar play.

Doesn't mean he's the best long term qb for the 49ers, but it also doesn't mean he isn't the best long term qb for the 49ers.

It's hard to know without more data points from esp Trey the #3 overall pick in the draft and the qb drafted specifically to get us over the hump in the SB vs qbs like Mahomes and Burrow etc.

Maybe Brock will be able to beat Mahomes head to head in a SB - he better as if he is taking Trey Lance's place as QB1 and handed the reigns - it's winning the SB or bust. But until either Trey or Brock get #6 for us then I won't be sold on either of them as THE guy long term.

Shanahan seems to think he knows what's best long term.

SHanahan also has a love affair crush on Kirk mother f**king Cousins, ignored Lynch's call before the Mahomes draft telling him we may need to reassess based on Mahomes sensational personal workout he displayed pre-draft due to said love affair w Kirk Cousins. And now his interest in Darnold to sign him after 55 games of doo doo play and take reps from his #3 overall draft pick when reps are the primary things he needs etc etc.

Let's just say I don't automatically trust his judgment on who the best qb long term is.

But you don't question his decision making when it comes to trading huge capital to draft Lance? He couldn't have made a mistake there, only when it comes to Brock lol

Lance could be mistake sure.

But my view was the drafting of Lance was the first sensible thing he had done at qb for quite some time and swinging for the fences to get a top 5 qb talent.

Could this be more bad judgment from Kyle on who he picked at #3? Sure. But personally I think it was the right pick and I wanted Trey to start Week 1 of his rookie year and move on from the mediocrity of Jimmy who was never going to win us #6.

Starting Brock is not a mistake in that Brock played super good last year. It is only a mistake if Brock turns out to not get us #6 OR if Trey is traded because of the decision to go w Brock and Trey lights up the league in a couple years and is considered a top 5-7 QB.

If we never traded up to draft Trey at #3 overall and it was just Jimmy and Brock last year and Brock did what he did hell yes I and everyone else that loves the 49ers would finally be in harmony and agreement about who we want as franchise qb going forward.

Candidly, I'd take Brock over all but maybe 5 or 6 qbs in the league so that says a lot about my view of Brock. Doesn't mean I don't think Trey has the potential to be even better - because I do. So sue me for wanting to find out for myself with my own eyes if that is the case or not.

I would lay money down that in five years Trey will be considered around the league as the superior quarterback in the NFL to Brock. Hope I'm wrong if we trade Trey and that Brock is the next Joe Montana and gets us a SB or two. Or three or four. Lol

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yet all week people were propping up 55+ game Pinto for his performance against 4th and 5th stringers. That's obvious bias. Trey takes a sack and we hear about it all week. Pinto takes 2 sacks with people open and have you said a single word? I have film in Pintos thread

People should still feel good about Darnold as a backup. He was steady solid again yesterday. He wasn't flawless.

It would be good to see the all-22 of the plays you screencapped in his thread though. No offense, but I think you're probably not looking at those plays with a great understanding of what's expected of the QB. That seemed to be the case on at least 1 of the 3 plays and maybe 2. Would have to wait to see the film first.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

You have a lot of guts writing off Brock's performance to him being a system QB. All other GMs in the league wish they drafted him. They are also all damn glad they didn't draft Lance.

Can't give Purdy his props for all that he accomplished last season, but then demands that everyone to praise Lance, when he hasn't showed even half of what Purdy did last year. Crazy lol

I give Purdy tons of props for what he was able to do last season. He played amazing and showcased how Jimmy held us back. He put up 30 a game which is stellar play.

Doesn't mean he's the best long term qb for the 49ers, but it also doesn't mean he isn't the best long term qb for the 49ers.

It's hard to know without more data points from esp Trey the #3 overall pick in the draft and the qb drafted specifically to get us over the hump in the SB vs qbs like Mahomes and Burrow etc.

Maybe Brock will be able to beat Mahomes head to head in a SB - he better as if he is taking Trey Lance's place as QB1 and handed the reigns - it's winning the SB or bust. But until either Trey or Brock get #6 for us then I won't be sold on either of them as THE guy long term.

Shanahan seems to think he knows what's best long term.

SHanahan also has a love affair crush on Kirk mother f**king Cousins, ignored Lynch's call before the Mahomes draft telling him we may need to reassess based on Mahomes sensational personal workout he displayed pre-draft due to said love affair w Kirk Cousins. And now his interest in Darnold to sign him after 55 games of doo doo play and take reps from his #3 overall draft pick when reps are the primary things he needs etc etc.

Let's just say I don't automatically trust his judgment on who the best qb long term is.

But you don't question his decision making when it comes to trading huge capital to draft Lance? He couldn't have made a mistake there, only when it comes to Brock lol

Lance could be mistake sure.

But my view was the drafting of Lance was the first sensible thing he had done at qb for quite some time and swinging for the fences to get a top 5 qb talent.

Could this be more bad judgment from Kyle on who he picked at #3? Sure. But personally I think it was the right pick and I wanted Trey to start Week 1 of his rookie year and move on from the mediocrity of Jimmy who was never going to win us #6.

Starting Brock is not a mistake in that Brock played super good last year. It is only a mistake if Brock turns out to not get us #6 OR if Trey is traded because of the decision to go w Brock and Trey lights up the league in a couple years and is considered a top 5-7 QB.

If we never traded up to draft Trey at #3 overall and it was just Jimmy and Brock last year and Brock did what he did hell yes I and everyone else that loves the 49ers would finally be in harmony and agreement about who we want as franchise qb going forward.

Candidly, I'd take Brock over all but maybe 5 or 6 qbs in the league so that says a lot about my view of Brock. Doesn't mean I don't think Trey has the potential to be even better - because I do. So sue me for wanting to find out for myself with my own eyes if that is the case or not.

I would lay money down that in five years Trey will be considered around the league as the superior quarterback in the NFL to Brock. Hope I'm wrong if we trade Trey and that Brock is the next Joe Montana and gets us a SB or two. Or three or four. Lol

So you agree Lance could be another one of his mistake? And would rather roll with the unknown, even if it comes at the expense of the team, than roll with the player that has plenty of good tape and has taken the offense to new heights? It's weird to me but to each their own. I just hope you can come to terms with Kyles decision soon because the season is almost upon us. I now we'll be hearing complaints from you and others on the weekly until you get what you want. I'm already expecting it.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What he's looking for in a QB to run his offense doesn't matter, what matters is what some Joe blow on the internet thinks lol

doesnt matter that Brock was running the offense at it's best since probably Matt Ryan's MVP year. And putting up stellar pts per game. Lol

Well if he wants people to stop questioning his decision making when it comes to the QB position, Win the damn Superbowl.

Bengals, Bills, Chargers coaches should be questioned for their QB decision making because they too haven't won it all either. Psshh and here they thought they had elite QBs lol

poor miami too they wasted all those years playing Dan Marino