Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by English:
Fropwns may not forgive me for this but I see nothing to place Allen ahead of Lance. Nothing. And I am unconvinced about Darnold as well.

salary cap, the delta is over $4 million in favor of Allen

Lol! The cap this year is 228.4 million. 4 million is as close to irrelevant as it gets. Allen is not in my view in any way comparable to Lance. If you really propose to keep a player just to save about 2% of the cap, don't keep a player at all.

On the cap front, the total savings from Dieter's article is roughly $9m. The total pay to TL is roughly $20m (in 2023-24). If he's a QB2, I don't see any problem, in terms of his cap hit. I don't think NFL clubs want that kind of cap hit in a QB3. No team is doing that. So who gets this QB2 comp, probably decides his future here, imo.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
IMO, I thought it was pretty obvious he lost faith in Trey. Going from QB1 all the way down to competing for QB2. Kyle tried his best to not say bad things about Trey in case Brock wasn't ready to start the season. , but I can see his facial expression he was tired of having to talk things up about Trey post game.

FTFY

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Heroism:
LMFAO at the soft ass weenieboy article on the WZ frontpage saying that Trey is owed an apology. 🤡🌍 The world doesn't owe Trey s**t. He's a young multimillionaire and will be better off in life than anyone that has ever visited this website. If fans want people to shut up and stop criticizing his play, he needs to play well. It's that simple.

100%. The guy had one pretty good year of college football playing against a bunch of randos, and now he is sitting on $30 million.

My favorite is when people say he hasn't had a fair chance to succeed.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
IMO, I thought it was pretty obvious he lost faith in Trey. Going from QB1 all the way down to competing for QB2. Kyle tried his best to not say bad things about Trey in case Brock wasn't ready to start the season. , but I can see his facial expression he was tired of having to talk things up about Trey post game.

FTFY

AND to add to that, Kyle had every opportunity to talk up trey when asked recently about the criticism Trey was receiving. Instead of saying it wasn't justified, Kyle simply said it comes with the territory. Kyle isn't even hiding it anymore.

Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Shemp:
They teach you about sunk costs in finance. Cash or monetary equivalent outlays that are not recoverable should play zero part in future decision making because no matter what decision you make, the cash outlay is still gone. The 3 first round picks are a sunk cost. We can keep doubling down on a bad decision to try and convince ourselves otherwise, but if you completely ignore and mentally erase what it took to get Lance, then he has no business being on our roster. I mean the man is battling to not be QB3! As one scout stated, he ZERO dominant traits on film. The whole "potential" argument is a complete and utter house of cards.

You forgot the key principle of investment - the principle of appreciation. Certain undervalued assets can appreciate over time if you appreciate those assets.

sunk costs are never put on the balance sheet, they can never appreciate

Assets are not cost and *can* appreciate. By the way Training is really an investment not an expense if you are in the service industry.

He said, "Service is the most powerful competitive advantage we have. Service is not a cost; it is an investment. It's a growth engine for our company."
I think he got right to the heart of the matter with one word – investment
https://www.cgsinc.com/blog/customer-service-training-investment-pays#:~:text=Customer%20Service%20Training%20Is%20an,One%20such%20company%20is%20Starbucks.

Training is an integral part of any organization; it equips the employees with skills required to perform the job. Every organization invests in training their employees that are responsible for giving results. Most organizations/businesses consider training as an expense when it is actually an investment.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140812091452-29785032-training-is-an-investment-not-an-expense-if-you-think-education-is-expensive-try-ignorance

P.s Not only can assets appreciate but also investments

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

This post is what Silver / Rich Eisen were talking about

I don't understand why some are so quick to say Trey is a bust. They seem to dismiss his extreme lack of playing time and jump right to he can't play. When JG came here, everyone kept saying he'll get better. He needs more experience in ths offense. When he got hurt, they were always willing to give him time to get back in the groove because he was rusty. But they expect Trey to be good right now with no experience.

Trey isn't just inexperienced. He's the least experienced QB the Niners have ever drafted. In any round. You can criticize Kyle and John for taking a chance on him but they couldn't have predicted the injuries that messed up their development plan. They now have a guy that they invested a lot in but is almost like a rookie. In some ways he's worse than rookie since it's been so long since he had any extended playing time. It's not like Purdy who started 4 years and played all those games.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

Okie doke Trey Day. It isn't about one preseason game, it's about showing nothing to resemble an actual franchise QB, no great body of work since high school. The fact that when you squint your eyes and look at Trey you see Patrick Mahomes doesn't change that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by English:
Fropwns may not forgive me for this but I see nothing to place Allen ahead of Lance. Nothing. And I am unconvinced about Darnold as well.

salary cap, the delta is over $4 million in favor of Allen

Lol! The cap this year is 228.4 million. 4 million is as close to irrelevant as it gets. Allen is not in my view in any way comparable to Lance. If you really propose to keep a player just to save about 2% of the cap, don't keep a player at all.

On the cap front, the total savings from Dieter's article is roughly $9m. The total pay to TL is roughly $20m (in 2023-24). If he's a QB2, I don't see any problem, in terms of his cap hit. I don't think NFL clubs want that kind of cap hit in a QB3. No team is doing that. So who gets this QB2 comp, probably decides his future here, imo.

That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
IMO, I thought it was pretty obvious he lost faith in Trey. Going from QB1 all the way down to competing for QB2. Kyle tried his best to not say bad things about Trey in case Brock wasn't ready to start the season. , but I can see his facial expression he was tired of having to talk things up about Trey post game.

FTFY

AND to add to that, Kyle had every opportunity to talk up trey when asked recently about the criticism Trey was receiving. Instead of saying it wasn't justified, Kyle simply said it comes with the territory. Kyle isn't even hiding it anymore.

What should he have said exactly?

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

People are getting impatient with him being in his 3rd year and not showing much.

The media is painting themselves into a corner. Their comments about Trey is not just about his current struggles. They are saying he will never get better. So if Trey for example plays well vs the Broncos what can those same people say that won't make them look stupid? They will pretty much have to either say "They had no idea what they were talking about" Or try to make a bunch of excuses as to why he played well.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Who cares about what anybody else is doing, how is Trey Lance performing? Well, the best analysis I've seen thus far comes from JT O'Sullivan and he's not liking what he is seeing. He introduces the concept of turn downs, or routes that should have been thrown to but weren't.

https://youtu.be/zRd5ShRVpzo

Dude was hesitant early in that preseason game for sure. No way around it. I thought he improved a little as the game went on.

it's funny I watched all of Brock's throws from the Dallas game today and I saw two plays that were identical to what Lance did. He hesitated and the play was a negative. It shows that every young QB (especially one with damn near no legit starts) has those moments.

Lmfao!
absolutely pathetic post!
comparing a worthless preseason game to a playoff game against the number two defense!!

dude your trying way to hard for attention.

If your goal is to prove your NOT a hater of Brock, this is definitely not the way to do it!!

Originally posted by prospector49:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

Okie doke Trey Day. It isn't about one preseason game, it's about showing nothing to resemble an actual franchise QB, no great body of work since high school. The fact that when you squint your eyes and look at Trey you see Patrick Mahomes doesn't change that.

Nobody is saying he'll be Mahomes. Purdy won't be either. All their saying is Trey needs a real chance to develop and he's not likely to get it as long as Purdy stays healthy unless he starts to struggle.