Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Granted it's only the first preseason game after a long layoff, so you have to make allowances. However, we gave away the farm for Lance! And then some! And he looked terrible. Took way too long in his decision making; inaccurate: no where near as elusive as advertised; took sacks when he needn't have. Darnold, on the other hand, looked like a real find. What were Shanny and Lynch thinking on Lance!? He looked like the 4th best QB on the team.

Base off of yesterday's game, he was our 4th best QB, or in another word, our worst QB.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Taking L's daily but oh well. There are always those fans, just not many

If you keep doubling down then you're never wrong, it's just science

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol, notice if it's a two step drop the kid has his read and throw already. If he has a defender in his face he's still looking to make the play. Again where are you getting five seconds from??

You're nitpicking is getting old, I post a video of his highlights and what do you do??? You do your best to nitpick at anything like supporting cast and time to throw. Purdy is not suppose to succeed in the NFL, do you need a reminder he was the last pick in the draft?? The kid is a gamer, a leader and he's got that fire, he's that guy.

But, but... intangibles, high ceiling, arm talent...

LMFAO!!!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

That stat is very black and white. If the QB is indecisive and holds the ball, then gets pressured, it's a pressure given up and we think the OL sucked on the play. In reality, it may be three step timing and the OL is taking a short set, expecting the ball to come out on time.
If the first play of the game counts as a "pressure given up by the OL" then that immediately invalidates the stat as a way to measure pass protection. My guess is whoever came up with that stat has no clue what they are looking at when it comes to the design of the play. See pressure on the QB, mark it down as pressure given up by the OL. If that is what's happening, that's bad way to measure OL pass pro.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

Because if TL really knew what he was doing he would have checked into plays to handle the pressure, or utilized the alerts call structure built into the plays, instead of looking like a deer in the headlights.

Like Brock Purdy did vs the Eagles?

Or when he got his ribs broken

But still manage to win games?? And perform like a franchise QB.

Must be nice having CMC/BA/Kittle and Deebo to dump the ball off. must be nice to have Williams blocking your blind side. Must be nice to actually have kyle call legit plays. Must be nice to have the defense gift you 20 TOs in 8 games.

Wtf

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

That stat is very black and white. If the QB is indecisive and holds the ball, then gets pressured, it's a pressure given up and we think the OL sucked on the play. In reality, it may be three step timing and the OL is taking a short set, expecting the ball to come out on time.
If the first play of the game counts as a "pressure given up by the OL" then that immediately invalidates the stat as a way to measure pass protection. My guess is whoever came up with that stat has no clue what they are looking at when it comes to the design of the play. See pressure on the QB, mark it down as pressure given up by the OL. If that is what's happening, that's bad way to measure OL pass pro.

Agree. Go back to Jimmy and his 5-0 run back in 2017. Without Jimmy the OLine stats were bottom feeding level. AFter Jimmy, the OLine stats improved dramatically.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

Because if TL really knew what he was doing he would have checked into plays to handle the pressure, or utilized the alerts call structure built into the plays, instead of looking like a deer in the headlights.

Like Brock Purdy did vs the Eagles?

Or when he got his ribs broken

But still manage to win games?? And perform like a franchise QB.

Must be nice having CMC/BA/Kittle and Deebo to dump the ball off. must be nice to have Williams blocking your blind side. Must be nice to actually have kyle call legit plays. Must be nice to have the defense gift you 20 TOs in 8 games.

Wtf

Yeah…..it's getting worse. Also, Brock DIDN'T have Deebo for 4 games. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Wtf

It's just hard to objectively make sense of this argument considering Lance's biggest issues are independent of the players around him. Yes, he will have more yardage if he hits Kittle than he does Dwelley…. But it doesn't matter who the target is if he can't get the ball out on time or accurately.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol, notice if it's a two step drop the kid has his read and throw already. If he has a defender in his face he's still looking to make the play. Again where are you getting five seconds from??

You're nitpicking is getting old, I post a video of his highlights and what do you do??? You do your best to nitpick at anything like supporting cast and time to throw. Purdy is not suppose to succeed in the NFL, do you need a reminder he was the last pick in the draft?? The kid is a gamer, a leader and he's got that fire, he's that guy.

Those aren't pressures man. He's literally got 5 secs before he even has to move.

I'm doing the SAME s**t you all do for lance. Anyone posts a highlight throw. You ALL s**t on it. We talk about the Texans game and you all s**t on it. Anytime a highlight video is brought up, let's see ALL the snaps.

I get posts about QB rating and stats. To support dudes like Sam. Well I guess that s**t doesn't matter given what his stats were yesterday, right?

we can't talk about bad throws that didn't turn into TOs for Brock, BUT we can for Lance?

If ya'll don't like it then don't do it the other way…don't be hypocritical. That's my point.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

That stat is very black and white. If the QB is indecisive and holds the ball, then gets pressured, it's a pressure given up and we think the OL sucked on the play. In reality, it may be three step timing and the OL is taking a short set, expecting the ball to come out on time.
If the first play of the game counts as a "pressure given up by the OL" then that immediately invalidates the stat as a way to measure pass protection. My guess is whoever came up with that stat has no clue what they are looking at when it comes to the design of the play. See pressure on the QB, mark it down as pressure given up by the OL. If that is what's happening, that's bad way to measure OL pass pro.

Yesterday, the pass protection got exponentially better as Trey headed to the bench.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Okay? So all the reports in TC with Lance were just made up? Like Kyle stated the practices matter more to him and the team.

So you agree Brock has been gifted a juggernaut both on offense and defense. Thanks for that. People acting like being given 20 TOs in 8 games doesn't help with producing points.

look I'm not saying brock blows or hasn't exceeded expectations. I'll root for him as long as he's here. Overall I'll be optimistic, I will also expect some sort of regression.

I agree lance won't get a fair shake here. A ton of fans made that so right off the bat and imo kyle did him no favors. Imo kyle has no issue moving on from any QB in the blink of an eye…he's got the Gruden in him.

We talking about practice man, where there's no contact and no pressure whatsoever. There are guys all over the league who practice great but are third stringers because it doesn't really translate to game time.

Lance has been given time and opportunity and he doesn't appear to have improved one bit honestly. You can say that the OL was bad and the receivers were bad but guys still find ways to perform. Rookies straight out of college find ways to perform, like O'Connell did yesterday for the Raiders. If Lance had been a 4th or 5th round pick, no one would be criticizing him because he's out there looking like a guy that was taken in the 4th or 5th round but this team used three first rounders on him and right now he doesn't appear close to being able to deliver any kind of real return on that.

Maybe he just had a bad game and he can bounce back and dominate in the next one but he looks like a QB that simply is struggling to see the field, not trusting what he's seeing, holding on to the football too long and being erratic in his decision making. If this was the regular season and Brock couldn't play, I'm not entirely convinced that Darnold wouldn't be the next guy up right now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol, notice if it's a two step drop the kid has his read and throw already. If he has a defender in his face he's still looking to make the play. Again where are you getting five seconds from??

You're nitpicking is getting old, I post a video of his highlights and what do you do??? You do your best to nitpick at anything like supporting cast and time to throw. Purdy is not suppose to succeed in the NFL, do you need a reminder he was the last pick in the draft?? The kid is a gamer, a leader and he's got that fire, he's that guy.

Those aren't pressures man. He's literally got 5 secs before he even has to move.

I'm doing the SAME s**t you all do for lance. Anyone posts a highlight throw. You ALL s**t on it. We talk about the Texans game and you all s**t on it. Anytime a highlight video is brought up, let's see ALL the snaps.

I get posts about QB rating and stats. To support dudes like Sam. Well I guess that s**t doesn't matter given what his stats were yesterday, right?

we can't talk about bad throws that didn't turn into TOs for Brock, BUT we can for Lance?

If ya'll don't like it then don't do it the other way…don't be hypocritical. That's my point.

Show me where I s**t on Lance for his play this off season?? Go ahead I'll wait. And if I did it last season, to my knowledge I bet it was warranted.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
NYN, you know I'm a big Trey defender, and I get that it's just one game, but at no point did he do anything to give me confidence. I was not expecting what I saw. I sincerely hope it's just rust and getting comfortable and getting past jitters because of the horrific injury. But to me? While limited sample size of one game, it's all I have to go off of. He does not look anything like practice reports indicated. He doesn't look ready at all. Guy looks like QB3 at best.

Honestly, Trey Lance should get the start again vs Denver.

He certainly needs more reps. Doesn't really matter if he starts. He at least needs to get to the level of O'Connell for him to be a #3 on this roster.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

30.5% pressure rate isn't bad overall. Sounds like the o line started to settle more and more as the game went on. 50% is super high though. The pass pro didn't do Trey any favors but Trey's 3.87 TTT under pressure suggests he didn't do them any favors either. I am sure Trey will do his part and get his mistakes corrected. I expect him to come out looking a lot better next week.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The 49ers OL (all backups) allowed 11 pressures on 36 dropbacks (30.5%) on Sunday per @PFF. Woof.

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

PFF had Trey Lance under pressure on 10 of his 20 dropbacks. Quick math tells me that's 50%.

Sam Darnold pressured on 3 of 8 dropbacks (37.5%).

Brandon Allen pressured once on 8 dropbacks (12.5%).

— Kyle, a Madson (@KyleAMadson) August 14, 2023

That stat is very black and white. If the QB is indecisive and holds the ball, then gets pressured, it's a pressure given up and we think the OL sucked on the play. In reality, it may be three step timing and the OL is taking a short set, expecting the ball to come out on time.
If the first play of the game counts as a "pressure given up by the OL" then that immediately invalidates the stat as a way to measure pass protection. My guess is whoever came up with that stat has no clue what they are looking at when it comes to the design of the play. See pressure on the QB, mark it down as pressure given up by the OL. If that is what's happening, that's bad way to measure OL pass pro.

Agree. Go back to Jimmy and his 5-0 run back in 2017. Without Jimmy the OLine stats were bottom feeding level. AFter Jimmy, the OLine stats improved dramatically.

Yup. Going from CJ "how long can I hold this ball before I get smacked" Beathard to Jimmy resulted in better OL pass pro. The OL didn't suddenly improve, the QB just got the ball out quicker.