Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

Because if TL really knew what he was doing he would have checked into plays to handle the pressure, or utilized the alerts call structure built into the plays, instead of looking like a deer in the headlights.

Bro 50%, for sure some of that is on the QB. There's absolutely NO WAY you can objectively look at that game and say the OL did their job at all. None. 50% is NOT just QB play, it's simply not.

I refuse to continue this convo with you if you don't acknowledge that.

I also want to make sure we can't use QB rating anymore as well….because he had the 3rd highest among all QBs week 1.

s**t was far from perfect and everyone acknowledges that. Overall I think the reactions are a bit extreme

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

too add onto that the highest pressure rate in 2022 was 28.6% for Russel Wilson.

What happens to your pressure rate as a QB if you are holding the ball and not unloading?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

too add onto that the highest pressure rate in 2022 was 28.6% for Russel Wilson.

Welcome to the dark side.

"I want to be fair to Trey. He got better as the game went on, and that's why those reps matter. I just don't think he can play in Kyle Shanahan's offense. He should have thrown two interceptions. The ball gets held so long for him right now, and it hasn't gotten better in the three years that he's been in the NFL."

Dan Orlovsky, former NFL QB gettin real

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

People ignored that NDSU used him as a fullback that could throw. He was fast for the FCS but he was never going to be a guy that continually breaks off long runs in the NFL.

His kind of mobility is the least useful because he's not agile to enable him to shake loose of defenders in the backfield. He's clunky moving laterally, if he gets into the open field he can pick up yards in a hurry due to his stride but I think having the quickness and Shake and Bake to dodge defenders in the backfield is a lot more valuable for a quarterback. Its disconcerting how many times we've seen this mobile QB get run down by DLs from behind.

Really they drafted a slower, less experienced Kaepernick. I saw more out of O'Connell as a passer yesterday then I've seen from Lance at anytime.

Yeah I didn't understand how a DT caught him from behind as he was trying to escape. He's totally got those heavy feet. Luckily we have Purdy

This is the type of stuff that annoys me around here. People throw out blatant BS without a care in the world and others run with it without checking it.

There are many things to knock Trey for from yesterday but that "DT" that caught him from behind was a CB who runs a 4.5 40 and it wasn't from behind. Yes Trey probably should've thrown the ball away but it wouldn't shock me if he figured the guy wearing #56 was a slower player.

You right it was a linebacker who ran a 4.7 at his pro day sorry my mistake Trey played great

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"I want to be fair to Trey. He got better as the game went on, and that's why those reps matter. I just don't think he can play in Kyle Shanahan's offense. He should have thrown two interceptions. The ball gets held so long for him right now, and it hasn't gotten better in the three years that he's been in the NFL."

Dan Orlovsky, former NFL QB gettin real

Using him as a source for a debate is almost as bad as using Grant Cohn.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

too add onto that the highest pressure rate in 2022 was 28.6% for Russel Wilson.

What happens to your pressure rate as a QB if you are holding the ball and not unloading?

50% bro lol? That's f**king extreme. No one is saying he didn't play a part. The OL absolutely played awful on top of it.

I just want to confirm with you that we can't use QB rating anymore, correct? So that whole Sam thing from last yr you tried pushing on everyone was nonsense.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

too add onto that the highest pressure rate in 2022 was 28.6% for Russel Wilson.

What happens to your pressure rate as a QB if you are holding the ball and not unloading?

Exactly. Trey's TTT under pressure, that is the average time to throw before being pressured, was 3.87 seconds.

He was 7 of 10 for 9.6 ypa when he got rid of the ball in under 3 seconds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

Because if TL really knew what he was doing he would have checked into plays to handle the pressure, or utilized the alerts call structure built into the plays, instead of looking like a deer in the headlights.

Bro 50%, for sure some of that is on the QB. There's absolutely NO WAY you can objectively look at that game and say the OL did their job at all. None. 50% is NOT just QB play, it's simply not.

I refuse to continue this convo with you if you don't acknowledge that.

I think if Lance sucks and we give up on him now, we will look back in 10 years from now and realize this kid never stood a chance. All of Purdy's starts were with the starters. We don't just have "starters" by the way, we have arguably the most talented skill players in the league in CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Juice and some decent OLinemen. All of Lance's starts are either in the preseason with backups and people who won't make the team, in a monsoon, in Arizona when they were 7-0 and clearly playing their best football at the time (also a wtf gameplan), average against Houston, or coming off the bench to relieve Jimmy G because he was fragile.

How can you say "he ain't it" when all that is stacked against him? Plus Purdy playing well adds a mental dimension that we probably do not realize. All he's been hearing is "3 first rounders, high-ceiling, he better pan out for what they gave up for him, etc" and then Purdy (last pick of draft) comes in and actually does play well? That has to be demoralizing.

I'm really happy Purdy ripped off 9 wins in a row and I will support him or whoever the starter is. I think Purdy has earned it. But I won't sit here and s*it on Trey when none of this was his fault. As NY stated 50% pressure rate with backups in there. Its not like he could pop a screen to CMC or even Mitchell to take that pressure off. The negativity is ridiculous. Ultimately Shanahan and Co will make the decision (and I think we all know it will be Purdy), so why fret anyway. We should be supporting this kid.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Welp, I re-watched all the Trey Lance passes. First couple of series he was RUSty! Yuk. Yeah he didn't have the greatest OLine protection either. But the latter throws were pretty good. Clearly he needs more reps, but as QB2 he's not going to get starter reps that he needs to progress faster. His progress will be slow - but there has been progress that I can see. I think the latter half of the passes he threw were more of a realistic place where he is right now versus the first couple of passes. He did progress and settle down, after those first couple of sacks.

Criticisms - he's still taking too much time reading the defenses. That needs to improve. He doesn't have the short area burst that Brock has to get away from defenders. Those short passes are still getting away from him.

Positives - better mechanics, when he does see the window - great arm to get it there, and good placement and accuracy to get it there. He eventually threw some completed short passes and he definitely has better touch that his first year on those short throws. When he correctly recognizes the pocket is collapsing, he does have the mobility to move out and throw on the run.

I wouldn't put much stock in his first game performance after being injured, and he is still raw as heck for his career. He's only played 4+ games in his entire career in the NFL. If he stays healthy and continues to improve, like in the latter half of his throws - he'll be good. I'll want to see more improvement in his second game. I want him to start off strong in his second game next week. Hopefully I'll see less of the deer in the headlights stuff. If his mental side improves, we'll have a good QB. If not, obviously, he won't be here long.

Good points. He looked better as the game went on so that's a trend that continued, and a good sign for a young QB. Watching it live yesterday, I forgot that he isn't going to flip a switch and be accustomed to game speed, even if it was second string defense game speed. He needed to reacquaint himself to facing live bullets and although it took three drives, it did look better towards the end of the first half. He'll need to take baby steps.

I agree with everything you said. With what we've seen so far (and that's not a lot) it seems clear that Lance isn't comfortable taking a 2 step drop and throwing from the pocket. For what ever reason that's just not what he does well at this point. He may never be able to do it well. On the other hand he does seem to throw better when he rolls out so why don't they roll out more. His speed is clearly much better than his quickness which is one reason he's getting caught in the pocket.
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Unfortunately most of Kyle's offense is built around the running game and short quick passes. At least that's what we've see for the past few years. Purdy, JG and Mullens were all pocket passer with limited mobility. The only QB that Kyle's had other than Lance that had mobility and a strong arm was Beathard and we know how that ended up.

Agree about Kyle being more comfortable with pocket passers. Historically, he's been negative on mobile QB's, and with the league trending towards mobile QB's, he's learning about all sorts of mobility. Brock's short area burst, versus Trey's long stride speed. There is a difference. Brandon Allen is more like Brock Purdy in the passing game than is Trey Lance in my eyes. Kyle's offense is going to change if Trey wins the QB1 position in the future, it's going to feature the longer passes that goes to Trey's strengths - despite the short passing nature of Kyle's offense.

As for Trey right now, you can't build an offense around a strong arm if that arm can't get the basic passes to his receivers. Trey still has wonderful accuracy on the move. Russel Wilson would have worked in Kyle's offense. Trey has got to just get better despite his lack of reps. If Brock could do it, why not Trey. They just can't give Trey more reps because Brock has to be prepared for the season. He has to figure it out fast. The NFL is that kind of league where if you can't get it, they won't keep you. It's a merciless league.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"I want to be fair to Trey. He got better as the game went on, and that's why those reps matter. I just don't think he can play in Kyle Shanahan's offense. He should have thrown two interceptions. The ball gets held so long for him right now, and it hasn't gotten better in the three years that he's been in the NFL."

Dan Orlovsky, former NFL QB gettin real

Lol wait so NOW we can talk about should have been interceptions?

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

Because if TL really knew what he was doing he would have checked into plays to handle the pressure, or utilized the alerts call structure built into the plays, instead of looking like a deer in the headlights.

Like Brock Purdy did vs the Eagles?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

too add onto that the highest pressure rate in 2022 was 28.6% for Russel Wilson.

Welcome to the dark side.

Dude that's almost twice as much as the worst pressure rate all of last season. That sure as s**t isn't just bad QB play. That's nuts

The term, Trade Lance, just got very real unfortunately lol. He did hold onto the ball too long at times, the o-line didn't help. But gotta handle the pressure. Feel for him, hopefully, he will shake it off but I think Sam is Qb2. He just handled the pressure a lot better. A lot more smooth

My question is, if Lance was given a season + to play would he improve and be the guy?