Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have a question that someone may be able to answer for me. Why doesn't the NFL have a monor league system where they can develop players an send them down until they're ready?

The NFL makes more money than any of the other leagues yet MLB, NHL and the NBA all have some type of developmental league. Given the recent trend of drafting "green" QBs it would make sense for them to spend the money to develop players rather than putting them in situations where they either have no talent around them or are expected to win right away. I'm not just talking about Trey's situation which is an extreme example. Fields, Jackson, Wilson quickly come to mind. There hav ebeen several more. This year they have a couple more tht are very inexperienced.

If they're going to invest a lot of draft capital on these guy they need to give them a realistic chance. So many first round QB fail and either disappear or spend their career bouncing from one team t another as a backup.

They do. It is called college football.

Somewhat, but TL is an example here. He basically declared after his freshman year. It went redshirt, freshman year, covid year, NFL draft. That's not a lot of football.

Without guaranteed contracts the NFL will never have a development league. Too much of an injury risk. I think the USFL and the other league they have is the equavalint to a development league.

Trey' s situation is just so unique. With hindsight being 50/50 he should have transferred to a college team that played during covid and then come out if he was ready.

If it wasn't for Brock Purdy, Trey would be the starter this year and would be getting all the first team reps in practice.

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is the type of stuff that annoys me around here. People throw out blatant BS without a care in the world and others run with it without checking it.

There are many things to knock Trey for from yesterday but that "DT" that caught him from behind was a CB who runs a 4.5 40 and it wasn't from behind. Yes Trey probably should've thrown the ball away but it wouldn't shock me if he figured the guy wearing #56 was a slower player.

Not sure the play in question here, but genus, are you saying #56 is a CB?

I was wrong he's a linebacker. Went to look up his 40 time and some reason this site had him listed as a CB even though the link lists LB

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Amari-Burney-LB-Florida

Either way, not a DT and someone who is plenty fast.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

People ignored that NDSU used him as a fullback that could throw. He was fast for the FCS but he was never going to be a guy that continually breaks off long runs in the NFL.

His kind of mobility is the least useful because he's not agile to enable him to shake loose of defenders in the backfield. He's clunky moving laterally, if he gets into the open field he can pick up yards in a hurry due to his stride but I think having the quickness and Shake and Bake to dodge defenders in the backfield is a lot more valuable for a quarterback. Its disconcerting how many times we've seen this mobile QB get run down by DLs from behind.

Really they drafted a slower, less experienced Kaepernick. I saw more out of O'Connell as a passer yesterday then I've seen from Lance at anytime.

Sums it up well... I outlined their similarities here a week or so ago. One major difference is that TL will never be as good as Kap.

Originally posted by Montana:
Prediction, Trey won't be on the team next yr.

I agree. they can't justify, or afford, to have a $10,851,673 second or third string qb, next year with their cap situation.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Trey didn't look great in his first few attempts but the O line was so bad that he barely had time to set up before they were on him. I don't know if anyone was open that he could have thrown to but he had no time and no place to run. The team looked totally unprepared even for a pre season game. Did any of you actually expect the Raiders to have 3 sacks in the first 6 pass attempts?

What I don't understand is the reluctance t play the regulars for a couple of series. How good is any QB going to look when he's not getting protection and doesn't have any weapons. It's clear that Kyle views him as a backup at best or he wouldn't have him in that situation. The idea that the starters are too important to risk injury but it's okay for the backups is terrible. Eventually the starters have to play and they are just s likely to get hurt when they do as they are in a preseason game.

Personally I don't think its an injury issue. Its how good these young players are versus the better players on the Raider defense. Poe in particular, to me, I wanted to see him play against the starters or 2nd string to see how much progress he had since last year and how much more he has to break into the starting line up. Clealry he's not yet there, but I'd want to find that out sooner rather than later.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've been a proponent of Lance from the day we made the trade up from 12 to 3. And up until yesterday I was still sold on his long term viability as our QB. I have to admit that my confidence is waning now. It wasn't terrible. It also wasn't good. I didn't see much, if any improvement we were hearing about this offseason. And say what you will about Purdy, the offense scores more points, more TDs, with Purdy than any other QB.

What yesterday could have meant was the #2 spot was solidified and even that Lance was gunning for Purdy's spot. What yesterday did mean was that the #2 spot is absolutely in play for Darnold and Purdy is entrenched at #1.

Definitely a disappointing day. It's not a death knell, but it's not a good sign. He'll need to play substantially better in the next preseason game (which I assume he'll get less play than Darnold) in order to correct the narrative now.

Agree, the QB2 positon is definitely up for grabs. Trey definitely needs to start stronger if he wants to retain his QB2 position.

This game was TL's chance to lock up a spot on the roster and he blew it.
Next week he will get the 2nd half reps that Sammy got as QB3, or Brandon Allen might get those while TL mops up as QB4.
Last preseason game BCB will play first half with the starters as a tuneup for Pitt, and after that its scrub time in second half.
TL is battling for QB3 at this point... something I predicted months ago.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've been a proponent of Lance from the day we made the trade up from 12 to 3. And up until yesterday I was still sold on his long term viability as our QB. I have to admit that my confidence is waning now. It wasn't terrible. It also wasn't good. I didn't see much, if any improvement we were hearing about this offseason. And say what you will about Purdy, the offense scores more points, more TDs, with Purdy than any other QB.

What yesterday could have meant was the #2 spot was solidified and even that Lance was gunning for Purdy's spot. What yesterday did mean was that the #2 spot is absolutely in play for Darnold and Purdy is entrenched at #1.

Definitely a disappointing day. It's not a death knell, but it's not a good sign. He'll need to play substantially better in the next preseason game (which I assume he'll get less play than Darnold) in order to correct the narrative now.

Agree, the QB2 positon is definitely up for grabs. Trey definitely needs to start stronger if he wants to retain his QB2 position.

He doesn't appear to handle pressure well, at least at first. Even his game vs HOU which currently is his best game, the first half was pretty awful until right before half. The Charger preseason game a few years ago and yesterday had similar vibes. Slow start, with improvement after. But this league requires you to be immediately effective. There aren't enough games, enough drives for slow starts.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yikes

bad QB and worse analyst.

Bad analyst? So which points do disagree?

He would be a lot more believable if he wasn't contradicting himself while making his points. I'm sure someone probably already put the clip up of him being on McAfee's show but I'm a few pages behind so I'm responding here.

He brings up the first play for Lance and talks about how Trey needs to let it rip and that Kyle will draw up things that are open. Even McAfee kind of called him on his BS on air. This was not the play to use for his point.



He wants Trey to throw this. That's a pick 6 or incompletion if he throws it. MAYBE if he launches it then it's a completion MAYBE. The risk here is absolutely not worth it. He looks off of it and promptly gets hit in the head(with no call btw but that happened a few times yesterday)

Then Orlovsky contradicts himself further saying the corner was sitting on the route...after claiming Kyle gets his reads open.

This is why these guys are hard to take seriously, especially when he was a terrible QB himself.

There were definitely plays to show where Lance looked hesitant but have a well thought out point, proper examples and don't contradict yourself so people can take you seriously.

Yet you just think he's right because it's knocking Trey and saying he can't play in this offense.

Orlovsly was correct that Kyle got his read open.

Orlovsly was also correct that Trey should have thrown this.

The disconnect is Trey had the wrong presnap read. He should have looked at the left side of the field. Orlovsly could have elaborated this more clearly, but essentially he was correct.

You just hated Orlovsly because he didn't say good things about Trey, even though he was correct.

If his first read is to the right like Orlovsky claims then no, Kyle did not get his first read open.

Throwing that ball either gets Conley murdered or more likely results in a pick 6. So no Trey should not have thrown that.

I appreciate you regurgitating that thl put out there but that doesn't fit with what Orlvosky actually said himself. So once again...he was not correct and contradicted himself in the same interview.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I've been a proponent of Lance from the day we made the trade up from 12 to 3. And up until yesterday I was still sold on his long term viability as our QB. I have to admit that my confidence is waning now. It wasn't terrible. It also wasn't good. I didn't see much, if any improvement we were hearing about this offseason. And say what you will about Purdy, the offense scores more points, more TDs, with Purdy than any other QB.

What yesterday could have meant was the #2 spot was solidified and even that Lance was gunning for Purdy's spot. What yesterday did mean was that the #2 spot is absolutely in play for Darnold and Purdy is entrenched at #1.

Definitely a disappointing day. It's not a death knell, but it's not a good sign. He'll need to play substantially better in the next preseason game (which I assume he'll get less play than Darnold) in order to correct the narrative now.

Agree, the QB2 positon is definitely up for grabs. Trey definitely needs to start stronger if he wants to retain his QB2 position.

He doesn't appear to handle pressure well, at least at first. Even his game vs HOU which currently is his best game, the first half was pretty awful until right before half. The Charger preseason game a few years ago and yesterday had similar vibes. Slow start, with improvement after. But this league requires you to be immediately effective. There aren't enough games, enough drives for slow starts.

How much of a coincidence is it that once we started to get a better mix of run/pass plays that Trey looked his best?

I understand Kyle is trying to throw adversity at Trey to see how he responds and obviously we're trying to see what kind of passer he can be and not a handoff specialist. But mixing things up the way Kyle does isn't a crazy ask imo.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Welp, I re-watched all the Trey Lance passes. First couple of series he was RUSty! Yuk. Yeah he didn't have the greatest OLine protection either. But the latter throws were pretty good. Clearly he needs more reps, but as QB2 he's not going to get starter reps that he needs to progress faster. His progress will be slow - but there has been progress that I can see. I think the latter half of the passes he threw were more of a realistic place where he is right now versus the first couple of passes. He did progress and settle down, after those first couple of sacks.

Criticisms - he's still taking too much time reading the defenses. That needs to improve. He doesn't have the short area burst that Brock has to get away from defenders. Those short passes are still getting away from him.

Positives - better mechanics, when he does see the window - great arm to get it there, and good placement and accuracy to get it there. He eventually threw some completed short passes and he definitely has better touch that his first year on those short throws. When he correctly recognizes the pocket is collapsing, he does have the mobility to move out and throw on the run.

I wouldn't put much stock in his first game performance after being injured, and he is still raw as heck for his career. He's only played 4+ games in his entire career in the NFL. If he stays healthy and continues to improve, like in the latter half of his throws - he'll be good. I'll want to see more improvement in his second game. I want him to start off strong in his second game next week. Hopefully I'll see less of the deer in the headlights stuff. If his mental side improves, we'll have a good QB. If not, obviously, he won't be here long.

Good points. He looked better as the game went on so that's a trend that continued, and a good sign for a young QB. Watching it live yesterday, I forgot that he isn't going to flip a switch and be accustomed to game speed, even if it was second string defense game speed. He needed to reacquaint himself to facing live bullets and although it took three drives, it did look better towards the end of the first half. He'll need to take baby steps.

I was hoping the rust wasn't going to be so apparent, but it was there unfortunately. Also Kyle was overconfident in Trey being able to pass against a raider defense geared to stopping the pass. Raiders opened up in pass defense, and I think Kyle will hopefully open up the next preseason game with more runs to help Trey settle down and to help the Denver defense settle down. He is just reading the defenses a smidge late, and unfortunately the only way I know how to speed that up is with more reps, which he won't get because of Purdy. Which is OK, Purdy is very clearly QB1 after yesterday's game.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Welp, I re-watched all the Trey Lance passes. First couple of series he was RUSty! Yuk. Yeah he didn't have the greatest OLine protection either. But the latter throws were pretty good. Clearly he needs more reps, but as QB2 he's not going to get starter reps that he needs to progress faster. His progress will be slow - but there has been progress that I can see. I think the latter half of the passes he threw were more of a realistic place where he is right now versus the first couple of passes. He did progress and settle down, after those first couple of sacks.

Criticisms - he's still taking too much time reading the defenses. That needs to improve. He doesn't have the short area burst that Brock has to get away from defenders. Those short passes are still getting away from him.

Positives - better mechanics, when he does see the window - great arm to get it there, and good placement and accuracy to get it there. He eventually threw some completed short passes and he definitely has better touch that his first year on those short throws. When he correctly recognizes the pocket is collapsing, he does have the mobility to move out and throw on the run.

I wouldn't put much stock in his first game performance after being injured, and he is still raw as heck for his career. He's only played 4+ games in his entire career in the NFL. If he stays healthy and continues to improve, like in the latter half of his throws - he'll be good. I'll want to see more improvement in his second game. I want him to start off strong in his second game next week. Hopefully I'll see less of the deer in the headlights stuff. If his mental side improves, we'll have a good QB. If not, obviously, he won't be here long.

Good points. He looked better as the game went on so that's a trend that continued, and a good sign for a young QB. Watching it live yesterday, I forgot that he isn't going to flip a switch and be accustomed to game speed, even if it was second string defense game speed. He needed to reacquaint himself to facing live bullets and although it took three drives, it did look better towards the end of the first half. He'll need to take baby steps.

I was hoping the rust wasn't going to be so apparent, but it was there unfortunately. Also Kyle was overconfident in Trey being able to pass against a raider defense geared to stopping the pass. Raiders opened up in pass defense, and I think Kyle will hopefully open up the next preseason game with more runs to help Trey settle down and to help the Denver defense settle down. He is just reading the defenses a smidge late, and unfortunately the only way I know how to speed that up is with more reps, which he won't get because of Purdy. Which is OK, Purdy is very clearly QB1 after yesterday's game.

It will be interesting to see how we approach next week's game. Will Brock play? How will the playcalling be for him and who will be out there with him? Will QB2 be Darnold or Trey? If it's Darnold what will the playcalling be like?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Welp, I re-watched all the Trey Lance passes. First couple of series he was RUSty! Yuk. Yeah he didn't have the greatest OLine protection either. But the latter throws were pretty good. Clearly he needs more reps, but as QB2 he's not going to get starter reps that he needs to progress faster. His progress will be slow - but there has been progress that I can see. I think the latter half of the passes he threw were more of a realistic place where he is right now versus the first couple of passes. He did progress and settle down, after those first couple of sacks.

Criticisms - he's still taking too much time reading the defenses. That needs to improve. He doesn't have the short area burst that Brock has to get away from defenders. Those short passes are still getting away from him.

Positives - better mechanics, when he does see the window - great arm to get it there, and good placement and accuracy to get it there. He eventually threw some completed short passes and he definitely has better touch that his first year on those short throws. When he correctly recognizes the pocket is collapsing, he does have the mobility to move out and throw on the run.

I wouldn't put much stock in his first game performance after being injured, and he is still raw as heck for his career. He's only played 4+ games in his entire career in the NFL. If he stays healthy and continues to improve, like in the latter half of his throws - he'll be good. I'll want to see more improvement in his second game. I want him to start off strong in his second game next week. Hopefully I'll see less of the deer in the headlights stuff. If his mental side improves, we'll have a good QB. If not, obviously, he won't be here long.

Good points. He looked better as the game went on so that's a trend that continued, and a good sign for a young QB. Watching it live yesterday, I forgot that he isn't going to flip a switch and be accustomed to game speed, even if it was second string defense game speed. He needed to reacquaint himself to facing live bullets and although it took three drives, it did look better towards the end of the first half. He'll need to take baby steps.

I'm afraid that will be the case. Unfortunately, there isn't time to raise a baby between now and the beginning of the season. Still, Shanahan has to give him every opportunity to improve, maybe even allowing him to play 3 quarters next game. Darnold looked like he could step right in and play well. He didn't look like he needs a lot of time due to his experience. So give Lance extra time to get game-ready if he indeed can reach that level. We are back to the beginning all over again. He's still a project that needs work.

Agree, he's very raw. But the progress - just in that game - is heartening to me. His first three passes versus his last three were night and day. At some point in time the light bulb will go on, and he'll (hopefully) start tearing defenses up.

They can always hook up the VR headset on Brock's go pro, and then download that to Trey's VR headset for him to rep in virtual reality, maybe that might help him speed up his reads.

Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

too add onto that the highest pressure rate in 2022 was 28.6% for Russel Wilson.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not for nothing but Lance's pressure rate was 50%, to put that in context only 5 other QBs had more so far this preseason.

Lol man, I'll agree and say he didn't do anyone any favors. He didn't play well…but how in the world can you judge anything or play football with that pressure rate? That's embarrassing for this team.

Because if TL really knew what he was doing he would have checked into plays to handle the pressure, or utilized the alerts call structure built into the plays, instead of looking like a deer in the headlights.