Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Bill Walsh had a 1stt round bust early in his career with the 9ers like Shanny has had with TL… he picked RB Earl Cooper #1 in 1980 and he was going to be the franchise RB… dude sucked azz, did BW cut him and move on? No, he moved him to TE, salvaging his career and the draft pick, and he did pretty well… if Shanny decides to keep TL then he needs to reinvent this dude and salvage his career, I think TL would make a really good TE, he is a ginormous failure as a FQB.

He has value at QB. Worst case is he helps the defense prepare for mobile QBs.

Cross positions really don't fly these days.....but even Steve Young took snaps at WR to get him on the field. He was disgusted by it and clearly had bad body language, so it didn't last long....now that I think about....it might have only been one play....well at least that I saw. Point being though, maybe you gadget in Trey in games that the 49ers have a comfortable lead in.

You can't take last years version of Brock out of the game in the redzone, but if we don't get last years version of Brock this year, maybe they can get Trey some short yardage snaps to get some use out of him.

He's really not even mobile

We drafted him to elevate the team so that he can get away from pressure when the play breaks down.

Bad oline and people use it as an excuse for his poor performance. His indecisiveness and lack of mobility really is disappointing.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Bill Walsh had a 1stt round bust early in his career with the 9ers like Shanny has had with TL… he picked RB Earl Cooper #1 in 1980 and he was going to be the franchise RB… dude sucked azz, did BW cut him and move on? No, he moved him to TE, salvaging his career and the draft pick, and he did pretty well… if Shanny decides to keep TL then he needs to reinvent this dude and salvage his career, I think TL would make a really good TE, he is a ginormous failure as a FQB.

He has value at QB. Worst case is he helps the defense prepare for mobile QBs.

Cross positions really don't fly these days.....but even Steve Young took snaps at WR to get him on the field. He was disgusted by it and clearly had bad body language, so it didn't last long....now that I think about....it might have only been one play....well at least that I saw. Point being though, maybe you gadget in Trey in games that the 49ers have a comfortable lead in.

You can't take last years version of Brock out of the game in the redzone, but if we don't get last years version of Brock this year, maybe they can get Trey some short yardage snaps to get some use out of him.

He's really not even mobile

We drafted him to elevate the team so that he can get away from pressure when the play breaks down.

Bad oline and people use it as an excuse for his poor performance. His indecisiveness and lack of mobility really is disappointing.

I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

I'm one of the biggest Trey defenders out there but of his 15 attempts, only about a third were good throws. The no look pass was great and the long throws to get in field goal position at halftime were nice. Everything else wasn't pretty.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
I'm going with this. It absolutely makes a difference the first time you're in the line of fire coming back from a brutal injury. Since this whole week is going to be the internet version of the cuban missile crisis regarding Trey I choose to withhold any judgement until next week. Every year people freak out over preseason games and every year I laugh at them because it's ridiculous to freak out over a preseason game.

Yes, but Lance is starting to accumulate "deer in the headlights" performances. He doesn't look like a guy in command, and this is his third year with the club.

He also doesn't escape very well so the entire point of drafting a mobile QB goes out the window :(

Goes out the window for Trey. But we have Brock, who is actually much more mobile than Trey.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
I'm going with this. It absolutely makes a difference the first time you're in the line of fire coming back from a brutal injury. Since this whole week is going to be the internet version of the cuban missile crisis regarding Trey I choose to withhold any judgement until next week. Every year people freak out over preseason games and every year I laugh at them because it's ridiculous to freak out over a preseason game.

Yes, but Lance is starting to accumulate "deer in the headlights" performances. He doesn't look like a guy in command, and this is his third year with the club.

He also doesn't escape very well so the entire point of drafting a mobile QB goes out the window :(

Goes out the window for Trey. But we have Brock, who is actually much more mobile than Trey.

Truth

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Bill Walsh had a 1stt round bust early in his career with the 9ers like Shanny has had with TL… he picked RB Earl Cooper #1 in 1980 and he was going to be the franchise RB… dude sucked azz, did BW cut him and move on? No, he moved him to TE, salvaging his career and the draft pick, and he did pretty well… if Shanny decides to keep TL then he needs to reinvent this dude and salvage his career, I think TL would make a really good TE, he is a ginormous failure as a FQB.

He has value at QB. Worst case is he helps the defense prepare for mobile QBs.

Cross positions really don't fly these days.....but even Steve Young took snaps at WR to get him on the field. He was disgusted by it and clearly had bad body language, so it didn't last long....now that I think about....it might have only been one play....well at least that I saw. Point being though, maybe you gadget in Trey in games that the 49ers have a comfortable lead in.

You can't take last years version of Brock out of the game in the redzone, but if we don't get last years version of Brock this year, maybe they can get Trey some short yardage snaps to get some use out of him.

He's really not even mobile

We drafted him to elevate the team so that he can get away from pressure when the play breaks down.

Bad oline and people use it as an excuse for his poor performance. His indecisiveness and lack of mobility really is disappointing.

I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

Ill take it

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Goes out the window for Trey. But we have Brock, who is actually much more mobile than Trey.

this is true, BCB may not have the track speed of TL, but he is a much more effective runner than TL and Brocky's instincts in the pocket and movement are better as well

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

People ignored that NDSU used him as a fullback that could throw. He was fast for the FCS but he was never going to be a guy that continually breaks off long runs in the NFL.

His kind of mobility is the least useful because he's not agile to enable him to shake loose of defenders in the backfield. He's clunky moving laterally, if he gets into the open field he can pick up yards in a hurry due to his stride but I think having the quickness and Shake and Bake to dodge defenders in the backfield is a lot more valuable for a quarterback. Its disconcerting how many times we've seen this mobile QB get run down by DLs from behind.

Really they drafted a slower, less experienced Kaepernick. I saw more out of O'Connell as a passer yesterday then I've seen from Lance at anytime.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Goes out the window for Trey. But we have Brock, who is actually much more mobile than Trey.

this is true, BCB may not have the track speed of TL, but he is a much more effective runner than TL and Brocky's instincts in the pocket and movement are better as well

Brock does seem to decide to move, scrabble, throw...whatever......faster

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Goes out the window for Trey. But we have Brock, who is actually much more mobile than Trey.

this is true, BCB may not have the track speed of TL, but he is a much more effective runner than TL and Brocky's instincts in the pocket and movement are better as well

FWIW that spin move he does probably wont work going forward. Teams pretty much had it figured out by the end of last season.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

Really they drafted a slower, less experienced Kaepernick. I saw more out of O'Connell as a passer yesterday then I've seen from Lance at anytime.

Way too early, but O'Connell looked calm, poised and accurate. Never seen that out of lance.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I hate that I'm agreeing with you but here we are.

People ignored that NDSU used him as a fullback that could throw. He was fast for the FCS but he was never going to be a guy that continually breaks off long runs in the NFL.

His kind of mobility is the least useful because he's not agile to enable him to shake loose of defenders in the backfield. He's clunky moving laterally, if he gets into the open field he can pick up yards in a hurry due to his stride but I think having the quickness and Shake and Bake to dodge defenders in the backfield is a lot more valuable for a quarterback. Its disconcerting how many times we've seen this mobile QB get run down by DLs from behind.

Really they drafted a slower, less experienced Kaepernick. I saw more out of O'Connell as a passer yesterday then I've seen from Lance at anytime.

Even his straight line speed isn't good. We have yet to see him break one like Daniel Jones did when he tripped.

I didn't watch the game. Was he going up against the Raiders 1st string defense or the backups?

Originally posted by 49erKing:
I didn't watch the game. Was he going up against the Raiders 1st string defense or the backups?

Backups. But in his defense he had no help either

Lol looks like I'm the only one not panicking after one preseason game, the first game in 9-10 months against a high pressure defense with extremely vanilla play calling... in one half of preseason football.