Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
I dont give a s**t about TC stats/practice for anyone.
Pre-season game I would like to see them play well but still doesnt mean much if they dont.
I was pleases with Trey after the Houston game. I admit that I was underwhelmed vs the Bears and frankly concerned. The missed open WRs particularly a wide open TD were bothersome.
The other thing that bothered me was that he didnt seem as fast to me as I expected. He could not get to the edge/turn the corner on a run. I was surprised by this.
Still its too small a sample size. Time will tell. He seems like a great kid, hard working and bright.
Purdy hit the ground running and earned the spot based on play last year. To me that carries the most weight.
Trey needs to be ready when/if he gets his chance. I just want at least one of them to be good for us.
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Originally posted by genus49: I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The bigger issue is if it was Trey who performed as well as Brock did last season and had that 7 game winning streak, some of YOU would have anointed Trey as the next great QB. But because it was Brock who did that, some of you deemed as just 7 games not enough sample size, and he might regressed, and that Trey should have a "fair chance" to compete for the starting role.
[ Edited by libertyforever on Aug 12, 2023 at 11:48 AM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Dude.. That is extreme. No need to overstate things and go overboard with an emotionally charged comment.
Was it a poor performance with some bad throws? Yes. Embarrassing? Come on. Give me a f**king break.
Trey got us down to the red zone less than five minutes into the game, and Deebo fumbled at the 10 and blew a glorious scoring opportunity.
Trey wasn't perfect, yes, but we had the lead at the half. And a 10-0 lead in the third. On top of that, Trey led the team in rushing that day with 54 yards.
Let's not act like he was throwing pick sixes left and right, running out of the back of the end zone for safeties (oops!) and couldn't move the ball all day.. He made several bad throws, absolutely, but his overall game was not the horrific disaster as you made it seem.
However you want to define it. I consider losing to the worst team in the league, which has zero points and negative yards at halftime, an embarrassment.
Football is very much a domino effect. Trey misses a remedial touchdown throw, which leads into him taking a sack on a 3 step drop while inside fg range that takes us out of fg range.
Our OL didn't play well but played well enough to where it shouldn't have been a close game. Much of that falls on the QB. Much of anything that happens, good & bad, falls on the QB.
Maybe I'm harsh on trey but I expect more from a top 3 pick. It's not his fault or our fault he was picked there but I just expect more.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
I dont give a s**t about TC stats/practice for anyone.
Pre-season game I would like to see them play well but still doesnt mean much if they dont.
I was pleases with Trey after the Houston game. I admit that I was underwhelmed vs the Bears and frankly concerned. The missed open WRs particularly a wide open TD were bothersome.
The other thing that bothered me was that he didnt seem as fast to me as I expected. He could not get to the edge/turn the corner on a run. I was surprised by this.
Still its too small a sample size. Time will tell. He seems like a great kid, hard working and bright.
Purdy hit the ground running and earned the spot based on play last year. To me that carries the most weight.
Trey needs to be ready when/if he gets his chance. I just want at least one of them to be good for us.
Agree.
In terms of order of importance in assessing a player:
Playoff >>> regular season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joint practice / preseason / training camp reps
Originally posted by libertyforever:
The bigger issue is if it was Trey who performed as well as Brock did last season and had that 7 game winning streak, some of YOU would have anointed Trey as the next great QB. But because it was Brock who did that, some of you deemed as just 7 games not enough sample size, and he might regressed, and that Trey should have a "fair chance" to compete for the starting role.
Had Trey played like Brock did the first half, got hurt like he did then Brock had the stretch he did I would 100% have wanted an open competition.
Dude.. That is extreme. No need to overstate things and go overboard with an emotionally charged comment.
Was it a poor performance with some bad throws? Yes. Embarrassing? Come on. Give me a f**king break.
Trey got us down to the red zone less than five minutes into the game, and Deebo fumbled at the 10 and blew a glorious scoring opportunity.
Trey wasn't perfect, yes, but we had the lead at the half. And a 10-0 lead in the third. On top of that, Trey led the team in rushing that day with 54 yards.
Let's not act like he was throwing pick sixes left and right, running out of the back of the end zone for safeties (oops!) and couldn't move the ball all day.. He made several bad throws, absolutely, but his overall game was not the horrific disaster as you made it seem.
However you want to define it. I consider losing to the worst team in the league, which has zero points and negative yards at halftime, an embarrassment.
Football is very much a domino effect. Trey misses a remedial touchdown throw, which leads into him taking a sack on a 3 step drop while inside fg range that takes us out of fg range.
Our OL didn't play well but played well enough to where it shouldn't have been a close game. Much of that falls on the QB. Much of anything that happens, good & bad, falls on the QB.
Maybe I'm harsh on trey but I expect more from a top 3 pick. It's not his fault or our fault he was picked there but I just expect more.
Lol, OK sorry dude. You lost all credibility here. Now we're getting into semantics? Let's be real here.. Your description was way exaggerated. This would be like calling a sprained ankle the same thing as a broken leg and then saying "however you wanna define it! An injury is an injury!"
On top of that.. changing what you're saying, shifting away from his individual performance to the team overall not playing well and losing and "whatever happens, good & bad falls on the QB".
Come on man. It's not that hard to say OK maybe I was a little over the top. There's nothing wrong with having high expectations. We should. I totally get that. Bottom line is, Trey, on an individual level, simply did not perform how you claimed.
Still, regardless of how bad you thought it was, one bad game does not define a guy. I mean, we all didn't forget Jimmy's losing effort against Denver right? A combo safety pick six in that one.. Now, for a veteran of his status I found that particularly embarrassing. I would've expected that to be more likely from a guy with little to no NFL experience. But you know what, he had the opportunity to bounce back and in the games that followed he did really well until he got hurt.
If I can forgive a bad game from Jimmy, I can forgive one bad game from Trey, especially considering that was just his third NFL start. He certainly looked better in the next one before getting hurt. He just unfortunately didn't have a chance to redeem himself like Jimmy did.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Aug 12, 2023 at 12:57 PM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Lol, OK sorry dude. You lost all credibility here. Now we're getting into semantics? Let's be real here.. Your description was way exaggerated. This would be like calling a sprained ankle the same thing as a broken leg and then saying "however you wanna define it! An injury is an injury!"
On top of that.. changing what you're saying, shifting away from his individual performance to the team overall not playing well and losing and "whatever happens, good & bad falls on the QB".
Come on man. It's not that hard to say OK maybe I was a little over the top. There's nothing wrong with having high expectations. We should. I totally get that. Bottom line is, Trey, on an individual level, simply did not perform how you claimed.
Still, regardless of how bad you thought it was, one bad game does not define a guy. I mean, we all didn't forget Jimmy's losing effort against Denver right? A combo safety pick six in that one.. Now, for a veteran of his status I found that particularly embarrassing. I would've expected that to be more likely from a guy with little to no NFL experience. But you know what, he had the opportunity to bounce back and in the games that followed he did really well until he got hurt.
If I can forgive a bad game from Jimmy, I can forgive one bad game from Trey, especially considering that was just his third NFL start. He certainly looked better in the next one before getting hurt. He just unfortunately didn't have a chance to redeem himself like Jimmy did.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
I was at the game.
You are wrong.
That very day set RECORDS for rainfall in the city of Chicago. I was more wet than I had ever been in my life; the field was drenched even during warmups before the game.
Plus Trey was our best offensive player that day - offensive line played like sh** and Deebo fumbled at the 7 yard line in the first quarter when we were driving for a score.
This is why when Jimmy played like ass vs the Redskins in that super s**tty weather in DC when we won 9-0 I threw out that game completely as you cannot judge a QB in those conditions.
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
I was at the game.
You are wrong.
That very day set RECORDS for rainfall in the city of Chicago. I was more wet than I had ever been in my life; the field was drenched even during warmups before the game.
Plus Trey was our best offensive player that day - offensive line played like sh** and Deebo fumbled at the 7 yard line in the first quarter when we were driving for a score.
This is why when Jimmy played like ass vs the Redskins in that super s**tty weather in DC when we won 9-0 I threw out that game completely as you cannot judge a QB in those conditions.
great points and a great comparative example as well.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
I was at the game.
You are wrong.
That very day set RECORDS for rainfall in the city of Chicago. I was more wet than I had ever been in my life; the field was drenched even during warmups before the game.
Plus Trey was our best offensive player that day - offensive line played like sh** and Deebo fumbled at the 7 yard line in the first quarter when we were driving for a score.
This is why when Jimmy played like ass vs the Redskins in that super s**tty weather in DC when we won 9-0 I threw out that game completely as you cannot judge a QB in those conditions.
I was at that game with my mom who was a redskins fan. We were drenched but it was a lot of fun.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
The conditions in the first half of the CHI game were a lot like the conditions in the beginning of the SEA playoff game.
They were far worse than that in CHI in the first half I can assure you.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
The conditions in the first half of the CHI game were a lot like the conditions in the beginning of the SEA playoff game.
They were far worse than that in CHI in the first half I can assure you.
I was at both games.
Not even close to similar.
The CHI game looked pretty bad on tv but have no way to compare. I'll take your word for it because I wasn't there.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
The conditions in the first half of the CHI game were a lot like the conditions in the beginning of the SEA playoff game.
They were far worse than that in CHI in the first half I can assure you.
I was at both games.
Not even close to similar.
The CHI game looked pretty bad on tv but have no way to compare. I'll take your word for it because I wasn't there.
So Trey has improved his throwing, and has looked pretty good in move the ball portions of training camp — something he's previously looked like ass in. So he's obviously a better player.
BUT... none of that matters. What matters is what you do in the games. If he wants to salvage his career, he needs to show up in the pre-season and execute the offense well.
And now replies after being gone for three weeks or so:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah no crying today I see about how come so and so got more reps blah blah blah. And….But we know who he is already.
Of course you do.
Year of 5 of Jimmy G: Guys he will get better and he will be a franchise QB!
3 starts for Trey: We know who he is
Trolls gonna troll.
Good point.
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Originally posted by Jcool:
"The 49ers feel that Trey Lance had a good offseason and he's more prepared than he's ever been..
TL finally learned how to throw a spiral this year, good progress
He learned how to throw this year, and yes that is really good progress. He dramatically improved his greatest weakness. The question is, will that be enough to make him a competent thrower? Because he's still extremely green, which means he needs to be a cut above someone at his experience level to have success.
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit: "NFL Network's Steve Wyche reports that San Francisco 49ers quarterback Trey Lance 'might be on shaky ground' after backup quarterback Brandon Allen's emergence."
called this a few months ago, few if any believed this would be possible
The beat writers seem to agree that Lance has outperformed Darnold. Knowing these preseason games still need to be played, meaning the question is still not answered, how do you feel about the beat writers — including guys who have been critical of Lance in the past — saying he's playing better than he ever has and has outplayed Darnold?
Again, the games will decide the QB rotation, but, do you believe it's possible you may have judged a bit too early?
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Its weird with all the hostility toward "apparently" a 3rd string QB who has no shot at QB1. Or maybe he is putting together such a strong camp that those with a dog in the fight are actually getting worried. Its entertaining nonetheless.
The team spent tons on draft capital on him and so far has been a disappointment. Any sane fans can figure out the rationale for the hostility. Did you really not figure this out?
Why you hanging on the past? Lets try to keep up with the present. By all indications Trey is light years a head of where he was his rookie year. And has been stacking solid practices for a week now. Being arguably the best QB in TC so far.
You have not answered my question.
I didn't know I was obligated to answer any of your questions. ????
Make sense that you don't want to answer the question. It was a yes or no question. No matter what your answer is it would be entertaining to us.
Some of these people had hostility towards Lance since he was drafted. Additionally, it is entirely irrational to think a player is fully developed after one season, and the haters were hostile towards him long before his rookie year even finished.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Trey Lance can't win the number one job outright. Let's be honest. His best case scenario with all guys healthy is for him to start week one as QB2.
He probably knows that. And knowing that, he also likely realizes the best thing he can do for the team and himself is to make himself the greatest threat possible to Purdy. And I don't mean that in a malicious sense, I mean that in terms of Trey chasing greatness, which in turn you'd expect to push Purdy to be even better too.
Lance has clearly been pushing himself hard to eliminate any deficiencies while also further honing his strengths. He's been doing all the right things, and as far as we can tell so far, it seems to really be paying off.
Like everyone else here, no one knows what's gonna happen this season. There are a number of scenarios where Lance could find himself with an opportunity to earn the team's consideration as QB1.
At the end of the day, I want a Niners Super Bowl win. We're gonna need Brock to ball out. If he doesn't, and has to get swapped out, we're gonna need Trey to ball out.
I don't care WHO does it, as long as we get this done!
Haha Furlow's still reviewing the # of revolutions and ball spin. Can't wait to see his latest report.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't know that Drew Brees breaking the comp % supports anything to be honest because he is the outlier. Also, shorter passes have higher accuracy % is actually not the argument. The initial argument was whether it is easier to improve shorter throw vs longer throws.
lol yes. And u've been given a TON of information to go and study up on regarding it if u still have any doubts.
I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.
Buddy, completing a 5 yard pass is much easier, why are you debating this. ????
We are talking about a completely different things. Easier vs easier to improve on.
Amazing you have to explain this, but I'm not surprised.
Nevertheless, it is easier to improve on short passes than deep ones. Why? Because you don't have to worry about your legs to throw short accurately, which means you don't have to worry about fixing your footwork to improve your short passes. Additionally, short passes do not require you to improve things like depth perception and longer term anticipation (over three or four seconds, rather than the one second anticipation needed for a short pass).
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Totally disagree. If you played to the level as the last pick in the draft in college for multiple years….Then all of a sudden play damn good ball for 7 games AND part of the reason for that is TD% and TD/INT ratio (which are extremely volatile stats). Yeah it's reasonable to assume regression. Toss in some questionable film that no one wants to touch on because they want him to be great so bad…look I hope he balls out forever and there is no drop off. To assume there will be none is in fact silly. Especially with no off season and a massive injury to his throwing arm.
Add whatever with woo.
He is already great. Why be mad because someone thinks he is great?
If we are going to go nuts about words like "Hater" and "Jimmy",....how about trying to trigger things by telling people how they feel and calling them mad?
Stick to football topics.
Trey needs to change his jersey to #3. It's his damn name.
Agree or we can fight about it.
As Spock put it, that would be oddly self-serving.
(spoiler warning)
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Till this day I continue to laugh at the people who really call a player a bust after he played in just 4 games and is just 3 years in his career as if it's already written. Folks act as if Lance played the same amount as Darnold
I can't understand why folks have given up on Trey but like to sing Sam's praise. Even after it's been reported that Trey is outplaying him in camp. It has been stated that Trey is processing faster and has improved his accuracy.
A lot of fans like to throw Trey's completion % into the debate when putting Trey down. But ignore the fact that in 2 of Trey's 3 full starts he has dealt with a 17.8% drop rate. That is a ridiculously high number of drops for the amount of pass attempts.
It's pretty odd, no doubt, and clear indication of some sort of bias against Trey. The best case scenario is it is lingering animosity due to pain from Jimmy G being replaced.
Regarding the drop percentage, this is not a good sign for our back up pass catchers. Especially Latu. That guy... sheesh...
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
People who think Trey is a bust at this point fall into one of three camps:
Never wanted to trade up because they wanted Jimmy G remain as starter (and potentially have a similar opinion with Brock now). They use the trade value as justification to say "well he wasn't Mahomes out of the gate" = bust.
Wanted Fields or more likely Jones and want to be right over everything else, you'll see continual comparisons thrown out there with stats construed to illustrate their point.
"I just don't know", "I don't like running QBs", "he doesn't read the field well," etc. The racial undertones category.
Pretty accurate post. The "he doesn't read the field well" is the biggest dog whistle of all, since post-snap he reads it every bit as good or better than Jimmy G, who thrived on pre-snap reads.
And incidentally ^^ Jimmy G is now in the best possible system for him, not because of the "spread" as some have argued, but because that relies much more on pre-snap reads from the QB than post-snap. Jimmy was drafted in the best possible situation for him, and now that he's back in a situation where his reads are more defined pre-snap, I think he'll be fine.
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't worry about Brock's interceptions in practice and that goes for other QBs.
But you know very well had that been Lance it would be an issue for YOU and some others in here. That's part of the issue.
The other issue is the simple fact that if Brock is playing Trey cannot play in games that do matter to show us whether he's better or not. Some of you guys are fighting tooth and nail to still downplay Trey's clear improvement and refuse to acknowledge the different situations Trey and Brock found themselves in last year when each was called upon to start.
We saw some HORRIBLE throws from Brock to start the Seahawks rain game in the playoffs. The weather improved and he clearly did as well. What would've happened in Chicago when the weather was worse to start, got worse as the game went along and there was no CMC, no Kittle and even Mitchell went out early all while the OL played like garbage? Think he's the same player we saw later in the season? Does he seize his opportunity the same way? Or does the timing and circumstances of the opportunity matter?
The weather was fine until the 2nd half. Trey was f**king awful in the game. Missed wide open guys against the worst team in the league. It was an embarrassing performance.
I was at the game.
You are wrong.
That very day set RECORDS for rainfall in the city of Chicago. I was more wet than I had ever been in my life; the field was drenched even during warmups before the game.
Plus Trey was our best offensive player that day - offensive line played like sh** and Deebo fumbled at the 7 yard line in the first quarter when we were driving for a score.
This is why when Jimmy played like ass vs the Redskins in that super s**tty weather in DC when we won 9-0 I threw out that game completely as you cannot judge a QB in those conditions.
BUT oline was never an excuse for Jimmy.
Justin fields.played in that same weather and was somehow able to throw a couple end of the game tds against a superior defense.
great points and a great comparative example as well.
