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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
When you have a roster that went to the NFC Championship game 3 out of the last four years you don't put in a QB who has to "learn on the job". And don't for one minute pretend that during his first season he wasn't on the "Oh, he's going to start next week" watch of many posters in here, including you. A lot of those people were just convinced, convinced mind you, that Lance could have done "at least as good of a job" as Jimmy, which according to multiple team sources this year has been exposed for BS that it was.

And you're sure that Trey couldn't??

i'd say he played a lot better in the rain vs Chicago than Jimmy played in normal weather in Denver. But Jimmy got more games to show what he could look like and had CMC added and somehow we forget that disaster of a game?

Easier to project Trey's Chicago game over the whole season apparently.

How many games did Jimmy win as a 49er when he was the team's leading rusher?

No team sources exposed any such BS because we don't know what Trey would've done the rest of the season.

The whole idea was that we could play Trey and ask him not to have to do too much and the talent on the team would support him. That didn't happen in Chicago and he got hurt early in Seattle and suddenly you're acting like Trey can't win games with this roster while using extreme cases where our talented roster didn't play up to their talent and blaming it all on Trey. I'm sure you were so tough on Jimmy after his bad games right? Or did you make excuses for him and throw those games away and concentrate on other games from him cuz you could?
What I think is immaterial. It's what the team thinks that matters and the team clearly thought that when Jimmy went into the 2021 post season with an injured thumb and an injured shoulder, both on his throwing arm, he was still considered a better option to start than Lance with is injured finger, which he apparently played with during the Houston game as well, and which a lot of people in here like to hold up as his "coming out" party game. So if the thumb was good enough to get him through what had been his best game to date, why should it have been an excuse for why he couldn't have played in place of a far worse injured Jimmy during the post season?

As to second bolded, in what universe would Jimmy EVER have been the team's leading rusher? That simply isn't his game and to try and compare that aspect of it to Lance is the equivalent of reaching for the stars.

As to the third bolded. Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Lynch, and Shanahan, have all commented, THIS YEAR, how much better Lance has played this offseason than in any of his previous camps. The indication seems to be that he has been significantly better, not just marginally better, which suggests that they all knew he simply wasn't good enough his first year. In spite of what some of his "fans" want to believe or try to convince themselves of.

It's great that he's doing well and the hope is that he will continue to improve. As I said in a previous post, he and Brock are the only QB;s currently under contract for the next two years as Darnold and, I believe, Allen only signed one-year deals, so Lance's 49ers story isn't over yet. It will be up to him to write the ending. We'll see how it goes I guess.
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Regardless of one's feelings for Trey. It would have been irresponsible and downright risky for a HC to throw an inexperienced rookie in at QB at the start of the playoffs unless they had no other choice.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Regardless of one's feelings for Trey. It would have been irresponsible and downright risky for a HC to throw an inexperienced rookie in at QB at the start of the playoffs unless they had no other choice.

But that isn't the argument though, is it? It is some people's contention that, given the opportunity, Lance would have played just as well as Jimmy. Clearly the team didn't think so. For the record, I posted before the Dallas game that I would have preferred to see Lance start if Jimmy's injuries looked like they would limit his ability to play effectively. I didn't want the injuries to be the reason they lost. I think they ended up being a significant factor against the Rams and would be willing to bet that they were in part responsible for the endzone pick in Green Bay. As I said though, Lance's story with the 49ers isn't over yet and he may very well turn out to be the player that some people have always thought he could be. Go Niners!
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Regardless of one's feelings for Trey. It would have been irresponsible and downright risky for a HC to throw an inexperienced rookie in at QB at the start of the playoffs unless they had no other choice.

But that isn't the argument though, is it? It is some people's contention that, given the opportunity, Lance would have played just as well as Jimmy. Clearly the team didn't think so. For the record, I posted before the Dallas game that I would have preferred to see Lance start if Jimmy's injuries looked like they would limit his ability to play effectively. I didn't want the injuries to be the reason they lost. I think they ended up being a significant factor against the Rams and would be willing to bet that they were in part responsible for the endzone pick in Green Bay. As I said though, Lance's story with the 49ers isn't over yet and he may very well turn out to be the player that some people have always thought he could be. Go Niners!

Main argument or not, you brought it up in your post as a knock on Trey.
The guys were talking today about the round 5 business. I think, if he goes out and lights up this 1st preseason game, it would upgrade to something better.
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So far so good with Trey. Lombardi commented on Trey's short passes. This is going to be big because McCaffrey is usually the short passing target. Trey is still struggling with his short passes (according to Lombardi), and its not a big deal yet IMO, but the short passing game is a big chunk of Kyles offense.

I'm confident Trey can solve this with more reps, but maybe one reason Trey is having short passing problems is he's not seeing his 4th and 5th options quick enough. Usually the RB flairing out, in the flat, or doing circle routs - is he's usually the 4th or 5th option in those concepts. (Example: kittle getting that unscheduled pass in the Dallas palyoff game.) Trey needs to read the defense faster, and I think he can because he is hitting his deep throws consistently. He's reading those deep pass concepts well.

But so far so good, and he's progressing. More reps will accelerate his progression, but Brock has locked up all the 1st team reps. It is what it is.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Main argument or not, you brought it up in your post as a knock on Trey.

Purdy got on opportunity and played extremely well. Assuming Trey would do the same is ridiculous and it's even more ridiculous to dismiss the success we've seen from Purdy in REAL games for some guy with a lot of potential but zero proof he can perform.
Originally posted by Stanley:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Main argument or not, you brought it up in your post as a knock on Trey.

Purdy got on opportunity and played extremely well. Assuming Trey would do the same is ridiculous and it's even more ridiculous to dismiss the success we've seen from Purdy in REAL games for some guy with a lot of potential but zero proof he can perform.

I am all for Brock being QB1. Especially if he continues where he left off before getting injured last season. I have never said otherwise. But if Brock for some reason regresses and struggles, you best believe I want to see why we spent 3 first round picks on Trey.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am all for Brock being QB1. Especially if he continues where he left off before getting injured last season. I have never said otherwise. But if Brock for some reason regresses and struggles, you best believe I want to see why we spent 3 first round picks on Trey.

I think any healthy pro QB would have a hard time struggling with 2 #1 WRs, a MVP caliber RB, best FB, HOF LT, All Pro TE, and KS on the play calls.
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am all for Brock being QB1. Especially if he continues where he left off before getting injured last season. I have never said otherwise. But if Brock for some reason regresses and struggles, you best believe I want to see why we spent 3 first round picks on Trey.

Just my opinion of course, but the unforseen emergence of a 7th round pick playing like a round 1, pick 1 player kind of erases a big part of the loss of 3 first round picks. Again, I think those 3 first round picks were well invested in a possibly great player. Those first rounders were really were more like one 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks because of the actual positon of those draft picks in those particular years. As a result - Kyle now has possibly two great QBs, which is a great situation to be in.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am all for Brock being QB1. Especially if he continues where he left off before getting injured last season. I have never said otherwise. But if Brock for some reason regresses and struggles, you best believe I want to see why we spent 3 first round picks on Trey.

I think any healthy pro QB would have a hard time struggling with 2 #1 WRs, a MVP caliber RB, best FB, HOF LT, All Pro TE, and KS on the play calls.

Than the posters in here putting down Trey because they are worried he might take the job should just relax because they should essentially have nothing to worry about for reasons you brought up.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Than the posters in here putting down Trey because they are worried he might take the job should just relax because they should essentially have nothing to worry about for reasons you brought up.

'Worried he might take the job'… ridiculous.

He'll have taken a massive step and played on a whole new level through camp for that to even be a possibility. As a Niner fan, I hate it when Niners do well, lol.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am all for Brock being QB1. Especially if he continues where he left off before getting injured last season. I have never said otherwise. But if Brock for some reason regresses and struggles, you best believe I want to see why we spent 3 first round picks on Trey.

I think any healthy pro QB would have a hard time struggling with 2 #1 WRs, a MVP caliber RB, best FB, HOF LT, All Pro TE, and KS on the play calls.

Than the posters in here putting down Trey because they are worried he might take the job should just relax because they should essentially have nothing to worry about for reasons you brought up.

You gotta be a functional, accurate QB, and the jury is out there on TL. He kinda reminds me a bit of Alex. When Alex was taken, his college coach famously said he would be non-functional for a period of time. This was very much correct, as we now know. It took him a good while to adjust to the pro game, years of time. During this time he was losing the starting job to such guys as JTO, Shaun Hill, you name it.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
'Worried he might take the job'… ridiculous.

He'll have taken a massive step and played on a whole new level through camp for that to even be a possibility. As a Niner fan, I hate it when Niners do well, lol.

I mean he technically has the highest completion percentage in camp thus far. Maioocco and Lombardi both posted the stats. Yes Brock has played against the 1's in every practice but Trey played against them twice so far and did real good. So he's taken major steps in TC. People just wanna focus on him missing some short throws.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am all for Brock being QB1. Especially if he continues where he left off before getting injured last season. I have never said otherwise. But if Brock for some reason regresses and struggles, you best believe I want to see why we spent 3 first round picks on Trey.

I think any healthy pro QB would have a hard time struggling with 2 #1 WRs, a MVP caliber RB, best FB, HOF LT, All Pro TE, and KS on the play calls.

Than the posters in here putting down Trey because they are worried he might take the job should just relax because they should essentially have nothing to worry about for reasons you brought up.

You gotta be a functional, accurate QB, and the jury is out there on TL. He kinda reminds me a bit of Alex. When Alex was taken, his college coach famously said he would be non-functional for a period of time. This was very much correct, as we now know. It took him a good while to adjust to the pro game, years of time. During this time he was losing the starting job to such guys as JTO, Shaun Hill, you name it.

Not to make this an Alex Smith discussion but he had as many OC's as he had years in the league while he was here. JTO was a Mike Martz boy which who was the OC at the time.
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