Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I smell Lance wanting out soon.

He's a draft pick that hasn't earned anything. This is his 3rd season. He's extremely young and making a ton of money.

You've got the kid all wrong. Lance is all in this year.

This year he's kinda screwed but if he doesn't play this season he will be gone after it. The rest is trivial.

haha this is the NFL. You know how many variables move over the course of 1 year? Thinking about or focusing on this year is plenty enough for me unless we are talking Pro-Bowl established players ala Bosa.

Let's get through a 3rd year with this kid first and then reassess.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
No way in hell we're paying 20M for a QB2 / QB3 fifth-year option.

Absolutely zero chance we pick up that option if he's not starting.

We know your fingers will be crossed the entire time until then.

Originally posted by random49er:
We know your fingers will be crossed the entire time until then.

Seeing as I'm a 49ers fan, I hope he reaches his max potential and dominates. I just differentiate between what I want to happen and what I think will or won't happen. Emotions don't dominate my judgement.

You have a comment on the actual idea we're talking about? You think my opinion that we won't pay a backup QB 20 million plus dollars is an unreasonable one?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
No way in hell we're paying 20M for a QB2 / QB3 fifth-year option.

Absolutely zero chance we pick up that option if he's not starting.

We gave up 3 first round picks and a third round pick to let him walk out the door? This after missing on Mahomes?

If this happens someone has to get fired (KS/JL), no?

That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Exactly. We're not only on track to dodge the worst consequences of the risk of that move, but we've also hopefully found our longterm guy in the process.

The guys who said Kyle and John have frostbite on their ass because their seats are so cold couldn't be more correct.

A number of observers have noticed some improvements in Lance's game and his mechanics, but Kittle says Lance's most noticeable improvement has been with his confidence.

"What I've seen since last season throughout OTAs, today, he has a confidence to him," Kittle said. "He doesn't look like he's second-guessing himself. He doesn't look like he's thinking about the plays at all. The play's called, he knows what it is and he steps in the huddle with confidence. If you can just do those things, it just gives you an opportunity to go be great because you're not thinking about anything else.

"He had some good balls today, threw them well, loved on a third down the pocket broke down, escapes, gets a first down with his legs -- that's what we want him to do. We want him to use his athleticism to make plays and that's just what he's doing. And like I said, having fun. Confidence. Makes me happy."

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
We know your fingers will be crossed the entire time until then.

Seeing as I'm a 49ers fan, I hope he reaches his max potential and dominates. I just differentiate between what I want to happen and what I think will or won't happen. Emotions don't dominate my judgement.

You have a comment on the actual idea we're talking about? You think my opinion that we won't pay a backup QB 20 million plus dollars is an unreasonable one?

We are likely gonna pay that $20M during that time because if both these QBs are what we think they'll be the $20M that season will be nothing for a QB room compared to what's being paid amongst al the other playoff contenders because we're paying Brock literally peanuts. Whatever we'd be lying Trey is the cost of the QB room. If we believe both guys are franchise guys we will keep them both through out their relatively cheap rookie deals and then trade one of them for a nice return to a needy team

We saw us hold onto Jimmy for that same reason. We literally told everyone that QBs are valuable and that we weren't just letting Jimmy get away for nothing in return and that held true. $20M is nothing when you're paying Brock nothing

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Exactly. We're not only on track to dodge the worst consequences of the risk of that move, but we've also hopefully found our longterm guy in the process.

The guys who said Kyle and John have frostbite on their ass because their seats are so cold couldn't be more correct.

I get what you're saying and I've been saying it all along. You can't pay Lance $20 million if he's a back up, that's just not a smart business move, which the NFL also is.

Originally posted by tankle104:
A number of observers have noticed some improvements in Lance's game and his mechanics, but Kittle says Lance's most noticeable improvement has been with his confidence.

"What I've seen since last season throughout OTAs, today, he has a confidence to him," Kittle said. "He doesn't look like he's second-guessing himself. He doesn't look like he's thinking about the plays at all. The play's called, he knows what it is and he steps in the huddle with confidence. If you can just do those things, it just gives you an opportunity to go be great because you're not thinking about anything else.

"He had some good balls today, threw them well, loved on a third down the pocket broke down, escapes, gets a first down with his legs -- that's what we want him to do. We want him to use his athleticism to make plays and that's just what he's doing. And like I said, having fun. Confidence. Makes me happy."

Him and Deebo explaining what he's improved on. Love to see it

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Exactly. We're not only on track to dodge the worst consequences of the risk of that move, but we've also hopefully found our longterm guy in the process.

The guys who said Kyle and John have frostbite on their ass because their seats are so cold couldn't be more correct.

I get what you're saying and I've been saying it all along. You can't pay Lance $20 million if he's a back up, that's just not a smart business move, which the NFL also is.

Why not let things play out first? His cap hit is just under $10 mil this year. Certainly not cheap, especially if he's the backup but considering Brock is making peanuts it's still chump change for the salary dedicated to the QB room. He's not hitting that $20 number until 2025.

Trading him now would be very dumb imo. Yes we need cap space to get Aiyuk signed and figure out how to keep the team together next season BUT you can always trade Trey during the offseason.

The fact that we have a smaller SB window due to cap space and some guys getting older at premier positions is why we shouldn't be trading players who can help us win football games. I understand that if Trey doesn't beat out Brock we'll all be hoping Brock plays every snap unless we're blowing teams out but there is a reason you pay for health insurance and you hope you never get sick so you have to use it. It's a way to protect yourself for bad situations.

To me the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Do we really see need the $3.7 mil trading him will give us in cap savings? Maybe but at the cost of having a weaker QB room during our SB push? Nope.

I'm beating a dead horse here but look at the non trade Eagles made for Russell Wilson(hell technically they agreed to it and Wilson vetoed it). They got "stuck" with Jalen Hurts and he responded with a monster season and a near MVP performance.

Even Shanahan has said he's unsure if he's making the right decision here. I pray we don't make a stupid decision to shave off a few million in cap space before really being able to find out who Lance is now. If anything I feel like his value would improve despite losing a season under his rookie contract. He's such an unknown right now we would get nothing of worth.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Seeing as I'm a 49ers fan, I hope he reaches his max potential and dominates. I just differentiate between what I want to happen and what I think will or won't happen. Emotions don't dominate my judgement.

You have a comment on the actual idea we're talking about? You think my opinion that we won't pay a backup QB 20 million plus dollars is an unreasonable one?

I think we can use that same train of thought about Brock as well. We got massively small sample sizes of both. IMO I think the best course of judgment is to let it all play out and see where it goes. Not make any conclusions one way or the other.

this time last yr Lance was the starter and just getting his career going. He played a little over 4QRs of football, then broke his ankle. No one has a clue how he would have played if he got a full season. Brock had a handful of damn good games, but that s**t can change rather quickly. It's the NFL and if there's any fan base that realizes how fluid the QB position is, it's the 49er fan base.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I get what you're saying and I've been saying it all along. You can't pay Lance $20 million if he's a back up, that's just not a smart business move, which the NFL also is.

How much did they pay Jimmy when they drafted Lance? $27M? he had zero gtd cash left. That could have been used to build up the roster and let Lance play/develop on the cheap. Then they brought him back for what another $14M last yr?

I totally understand not using the 5th yr option if he doesn't even see the field. You also don't have to tag him, but can sign him to an extension much like GB did with Jordan love, if you feel like there's something there.

Originally posted by genus49:
Why not let things play out first? His cap hit is just under $10 mil this year. Certainly not cheap, especially if he's the backup but considering Brock is making peanuts it's still chump change for the salary dedicated to the QB room. He's not hitting that $20 number until 2025.

Trading him now would be very dumb imo. Yes we need cap space to get Aiyuk signed and figure out how to keep the team together next season BUT you can always trade Trey during the offseason.

The fact that we have a smaller SB window due to cap space and some guys getting older at premier positions is why we shouldn't be trading players who can help us win football games. I understand that if Trey doesn't beat out Brock we'll all be hoping Brock plays every snap unless we're blowing teams out but there is a reason you pay for health insurance and you hope you never get sick so you have to use it. It's a way to protect yourself for bad situations.

To me the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Do we really see need the $3.7 mil trading him will give us in cap savings? Maybe but at the cost of having a weaker QB room during our SB push? Nope.

I'm beating a dead horse here but look at the non trade Eagles made for Russell Wilson(hell technically they agreed to it and Wilson vetoed it). They got "stuck" with Jalen Hurts and he responded with a monster season and a near MVP performance.

Even Shanahan has said he's unsure if he's making the right decision here. I pray we don't make a stupid decision to shave off a few million in cap space before really being able to find out who Lance is now. If anything I feel like his value would improve despite losing a season under his rookie contract. He's such an unknown right now we would get nothing of worth.

People thinking it's smart to trade him at his lowest for next to nothing to save nothing truly meaningful…don't care about the dynamics of the cap or whatever. It's more about their bias takes against Trey. The fact that they never wanted him and hated moving on from Jimmy. Some won't admit it, but it's true.

moving him now is in credibility stupid. Pretending Sam Darnold is some good QB on top of it is just another example of bias crap as well.

What happens if Brock turns into a pumpkin or gets hurt again? We got one of the worst starting QBs in league the past 5 yrs as the starter and no plan at the position beyond 2023? So then what? Sign Kirk for a billion dollars lol 🤢

fans are so short-sighted with all of it. Having him here doesn't hurt this team at all. He's got two yrs left on his contract and is incredibly young. If there's anyone that should want out it's him… Not the other way around.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
We know your fingers will be crossed the entire time until then.

Seeing as I'm a 49ers fan, I hope he reaches his max potential and dominates. I just differentiate between what I want to happen and what I think will or won't happen. Emotions don't dominate my judgement.

You have a comment on the actual idea we're talking about? You think my opinion that we won't pay a backup QB 20 million plus dollars is an unreasonable one?

We are likely gonna pay that $20M during that time because if both these QBs are what we think they'll be the $20M that season will be nothing for a QB room compared to what's being paid amongst al the other playoff contenders because we're paying Brock literally peanuts. Whatever we'd be lying Trey is the cost of the QB room. If we believe both guys are franchise guys we will keep them both through out their relatively cheap rookie deals and then trade one of them for a nice return to a needy team

We saw us hold onto Jimmy for that same reason. We literally told everyone that QBs are valuable and that we weren't just letting Jimmy get away for nothing in return and that held true. $20M is nothing when you're paying Brock nothing

I'm sure it's possible but the real issue will be our salary cap during that period. Idk if we could handle that for a backup (assuming he isn't starting at the time).

i also think it would be more $25M-$30M but I'm not positive. I know it depends on a handful of things.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
That would be a dumb decision. You don't compound a whiff on a high pick by firing the folks who have built a roster like the one this team has. Especially not if Purdy continues to play at the level he has so far.

Exactly. We're not only on track to dodge the worst consequences of the risk of that move, but we've also hopefully found our longterm guy in the process.

The guys who said Kyle and John have frostbite on their ass because their seats are so cold couldn't be more correct.

I get what you're saying and I've been saying it all along. You can't pay Lance $20 million if he's a back up, that's just not a smart business move, which the NFL also is.

Why not let things play out first? His cap hit is just under $10 mil this year. Certainly not cheap, especially if he's the backup but considering Brock is making peanuts it's still chump change for the salary dedicated to the QB room. He's not hitting that $20 number until 2025.

Trading him now would be very dumb imo. Yes we need cap space to get Aiyuk signed and figure out how to keep the team together next season BUT you can always trade Trey during the offseason.

The fact that we have a smaller SB window due to cap space and some guys getting older at premier positions is why we shouldn't be trading players who can help us win football games. I understand that if Trey doesn't beat out Brock we'll all be hoping Brock plays every snap unless we're blowing teams out but there is a reason you pay for health insurance and you hope you never get sick so you have to use it. It's a way to protect yourself for bad situations.

To me the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Do we really see need the $3.7 mil trading him will give us in cap savings? Maybe but at the cost of having a weaker QB room during our SB push? Nope.

I'm beating a dead horse here but look at the non trade Eagles made for Russell Wilson(hell technically they agreed to it and Wilson vetoed it). They got "stuck" with Jalen Hurts and he responded with a monster season and a near MVP performance.

Even Shanahan has said he's unsure if he's making the right decision here. I pray we don't make a stupid decision to shave off a few million in cap space before really being able to find out who Lance is now. If anything I feel like his value would improve despite losing a season under his rookie contract. He's such an unknown right now we would get nothing of worth.

Correct. The few million we get by trading him is vastly outweighed by the value of a backup QB who has potential to be more than that. We have an extra year of his contract before being forced to make a decision. We should use it.