Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean that's the truth of the situation. Let's stop acting like Lance has some large portfolio of bad football to make some conclusion on. He got 4 QRs of football as the starter. The guy that kyle made the largest trade in SF history for…so let's keep it real, Brock isn't gonna get some endless amount of football regardless of how bad he plays. Kyle will move off whomever if he feels like that's the right thing. That much is true.

imo we got a couple young QBs that can win games here.

I totally agree with you about Brock. Where we disagree is that if Brock fails, Lance automatically gets another opportunity.

I'd bet big money we go outside the organization next year for another QB if Brock turns into a pumpkin (and Lance doesn't immediately impress right now in TC).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean that's the truth of the situation. Let's stop acting like Lance has some large portfolio of bad football to make some conclusion on. He got 4 QRs of football as the starter. The guy that kyle made the largest trade in SF history for…so let's keep it real, Brock isn't gonna get some endless amount of football regardless of how bad he plays. Kyle will move off whomever if he feels like that's the right thing. That much is true.

imo we got a couple young QBs that can win games here.

I totally agree with you about Brock. Where we disagree is that if Brock fails, Lance automatically gets another opportunity.

I'd bet big money we go outside the organization next year for another QB if Brock turns into a pumpkin (and Lance doesn't immediately impress right now in TC).

I don't think that will be necessary. I expect if Brock regresses, one of Trey or Sam will show they are ready to go and play well. I feel it's good odds that at least one of the three will play at least as well as Garoppolo has since he was here.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I don't think that will be necessary. I expect if Brock regresses, one of Trey or Sam will show they are ready to go and play well. I feel it's good odds that at least one of the three will play at least as well as Garoppolo has since he was here.

I definitely think we've done the best we can from a practical standpoint to make that a realistic possibility. I'd just prefer Brock to stay healthy and play well, lol.

I'd be lying if I said I would* be surprised if neither Sam or Trey played at a Jimmy G level this year. I don't like Jimmy G, but he's still an average starting QB in the league.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean this is a sport where size, speed and athletic profile are a massive part of being good. There are simply things Lance can do that Brock will never be able to do. That's called a ceiling. Again none of it matters if one guy never gets to play because the coach doesn't want to invest the time into seeing it through. Is what it is. You draft a 20 yr old with 360 passing attempts, you think common sense would show that he's far from a finished product.

IMO there was no point in drafting Lance if they weren't gonna invest the time to develop him (play him). We will see it's a long season and a bunch of s**t always seems to happen in SF

On the physical traits subject, I am reminded of Schlereth who said we didn't get the run ability, we thought we were getting. Also Martz, who had a similar take on it.

I'd be curious what he meant by that. Plays like where he got smashed at the goal line because he thought he could truck the dude? I hope they weren't counting on that style of runner. Those plays were all over his college highlights, but nobody wants their QB taking shots like that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean that's the truth of the situation. Let's stop acting like Lance has some large portfolio of bad football to make some conclusion on. He got 4 QRs of football as the starter. The guy that kyle made the largest trade in SF history for…so let's keep it real, Brock isn't gonna get some endless amount of football regardless of how bad he plays. Kyle will move off whomever if he feels like that's the right thing. That much is true.

imo we got a couple young QBs that can win games here.

Hearing KS, he says we have 3 FLQBs. Franchise like QBs. I think BP, it's looking like he will play, and I would bet he plays well. He surely played well a year ago, and the talent around is such, he should look really good. If we need a QB2 for any reason, Sam and TL are competing for that job. Whoever wins that QB2, I would expect them to do well, if called upon.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I totally agree with you about Brock. Where we disagree is that if Brock fails, Lance automatically gets another opportunity.

I'd bet big money we go outside the organization next year for another QB if Brock turns into a pumpkin (and Lance doesn't immediately impress right now in TC).

Most likely cousins (his contract expires after this year).

i agree with you two though, Brock won't get an endless amount of opportunities. If he plays like poo - Lance will get a shot. Lances play in camp will determine how short the leash will be.

If it's short, that just means Lance is looking really good. So I'd be okay with that.

i only want Brock in there cause I think he's a really good and young QB with a lot more in him. If I'm wrong and he stinks it up, get him the hell out of there. Hahaha I'm not interested in suffering for a player just to be right, i want a stud at QB and that's all.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean this is a sport where size, speed and athletic profile are a massive part of being good. There are simply things Lance can do that Brock will never be able to do. That's called a ceiling. Again none of it matters if one guy never gets to play because the coach doesn't want to invest the time into seeing it through. Is what it is. You draft a 20 yr old with 360 passing attempts, you think common sense would show that he's far from a finished product.

IMO there was no point in drafting Lance if they weren't gonna invest the time to develop him (play him). We will see it's a long season and a bunch of s**t always seems to happen in SF

On the physical traits subject, I am reminded of Schlereth who said we didn't get the run ability, we thought we were getting. Also Martz, who had a similar take on it.

I'd be curious what he meant by that. Plays like where he got smashed at the goal line because he thought he could truck the dude? I hope they weren't counting on that style of runner. Those plays were all over his college highlights, but nobody wants their QB taking shots like that.

I always interpreted it as the team thought they were getting an elusive back like Allen/Fields/Lamar but we got someone not as elusive as they are and more of a trucker, which hasn't really shown it'll work at this level. Then again, if Lance adds a lot of muscle to his body - it may work more often than it did.

idk what the team was hoping for exactly, just my opinion based on the playcalling. It feels like Kyle was expecting him to beat defenders to the corners on run plays etc. hasn't materialized yet. When he's playing loose he's good at avoiding guys on a pass rush, typically.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tk-show-a-show-about-sports-in-the-bay-area/id1640397728

Lets hope he has a really good training camp.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I totally agree with you about Brock. Where we disagree is that if Brock fails, Lance automatically gets another opportunity.

I'd bet big money we go outside the organization next year for another QB if Brock turns into a pumpkin (and Lance doesn't immediately impress right now in TC).

I'm not talking about next yr. I'm talking about this yr. I've already said I wouldn't be shocked to see Kirk here in 2024. Also, I think they made a point of saying the only way this roster works right now is because we're not paying the QB $35–$40M per.

my point is Brock has earned the right to be QB1 right now. That doesn't mean if he does turn into a pumpkin this yr that he will be given the full season to play up and down football. They have nothing invested in him…at this point it's all gravy with whatever he gives us. If they can move off a top 3 pick worth years of 1sts, they can move off the last pick in the draft with no problem.

you don't throw 3sts and a 3rd in the trash off of 170 passing attempts. That's the reality of the situation, regardless to how we feel about it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Hearing KS, he says we have 3 FLQBs. Franchise like QBs. I think BP, it's looking like he will play, and I would bet he plays well. He surely played well a year ago, and the talent around is such, he should look really good. If we need a QB2 for any reason, Sam and TL are competing for that job. Whoever wins that QB2, I would expect them to do well, if called upon.

We all thought Jimmy would play well after his 2017 season, turns out that's not really the truth of it. I really really don't want to go down that road again. Not saying that's what will happen, it does need to be option with BCB though.

for sure he's earned the right to be QB1 right now. He shouldn't get an endless amount of freedom to f**k up though. Just my opinion, but I don't see how Sam becomes QB2. His mentality of playing the position at this point shows he doesn't have it. We will see though.

I won't be shocked if all 3 QBs play at some point this yr because that's just how it rolls here.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Schlereth's opinion was lazy. Start with the fact that it's based on the idea that drafting an electric athlete was the top priority. All reporting and statements from our Coach and GM show otherwise.

Don't have to go much further than the well reported idea that we chose between Lance and Jones. Very simple to work back from there, not even factoring any other piece of evidence.

Yeah a lot of s**t takes like that in sports media. Everyone thinks they're in the know. Turns out that's simply not the truth of it and even Kyle and Lynch chuckled about it.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not saying he will always be that way, but just simply watching the games will tell you that the offense was very choppy and inconsistent. Struggled to convert downs, score etc.

it can be chalked up to many things like inexperience, injury etc. i just think that Trey can improve in that area and get the offense moving consistently - it'll elevate his game and impact dramatically. I think he's going to be a lot better at those little things this year. Just hope he stays healthy

How could it not be chalked up to inexperience and a hand injury? It's really not much deeper than that. It's never gonna come to fruition if he doesn't play. Simple as that

He's certainly not going to get a legit shot...not that pre season would have supplanted a QB1 who played solid to great in real games and playoff games.

Shanahan added, "Injuries happen. And when injuries happen, you don't really lose your job because of an injury, but you give opportunities to someone else. And this guy, who got his opportunity, came in and did stuff on film for me, for John, for all our players, that was as good as we've seen here. And it's going to be real hard to beat out."

Originally posted by NCommand:
He's certainly not going to get a legit shot...not that pre season would have supplanted a QB1 who played solid ton great in real games and playoff games.

Shanahan added, "Injuries happen. And when injuries happen, you don't really lose your job because of an injury, but you give opportunities to someone else. And this guy, who got his opportunity, came in and did stuff on film for me, for John, for all our players, that was as good as we've seen here. And it's going to be real hard to beat out."

No he isn't. I want Trey to get a shot, but Shanahan is doing this right. Trey would've needed Brock to be out the first 3-4 games to get that opportunity.