Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Jcool:
This is why i figured they were going with Fields because Lance had to develop just to get to Fields level and then he had to make another leap after that. I think Shanahan wanted the unmolded clay he could make into his dream QB.

Fields is/was every bit the project of a passer that Lance is and Lance at least arguably had a better foundation to build from and came from an offense that was at least structurally similar to ours.

Fields has had a two year runway on a bad team with no better option at the position. And we still don't actually know if he's any good.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean this is a sport where size, speed and athletic profile are a massive part of being good. There are simply things Lance can do that Brock will never be able to do. That's called a ceiling. Again none of it matters if one guy never gets to play because the coach doesn't want to invest the time into seeing it through. Is what it is. You draft a 20 yr old with 360 passing attempts, you think common sense would show that he's far from a finished product.

IMO there was no point in drafting Lance if they weren't gonna invest the time to develop him (play him). We will see it's a long season and a bunch of s**t always seems to happen in SF

On the physical traits subject, I am reminded of Schlereth who said we didn't get the run ability, we thought we were getting. Also Martz, who had a similar take on it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They did invest time in him though. They gave him a job competition free and catered an entire offseason worth of planning around him being the number 1 guy.

It's no doubt frustrating for fans that we've only seen a handful of starts or appearances… but it's foolish to think our awesome coach doesn't have a damn good idea of what he has in a player in terms of both short and long term capability after two plus years of being around the guy.

We're going to see this play out here or elsewhere. Hopefully lessons are learned and understanding adjusted.

They gave him 170 passing attempts in total.

Instead of moving on from Jimmy, they had him on the side field throwing all off season and restructured his contract and being the "backup" come week 1. That's weird imo. That's not going all in on the guy that you thought was the man for this team for the next decade.

I love Kyle, but he's the dude that made the biggest trade in SF history for Lance. People can pretend that he didn't want him, but there is zero chance that Kyle didn't have the final say in the QB.

IMO there's nothing to adjust…It hasn't even had a chance to happen. I will say that's in part because of how well Brock played.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They gave him 170 passing attempts in total.

Instead of moving on from Jimmy, they had him on the side field throwing all off season and restructured his contract and being the "backup" come week 1. That's weird imo. That's not going all in on the guy that you thought was the man for this team for the next decade.

I love Kyle, but he's the dude that made the biggest trade in SF history for Lance. People can pretend that he didn't want him, but there is zero chance that Kyle didn't have the final say in the QB.

IMO there's nothing to adjust…It hasn't even had a chance to happen. I will say that's in part because of how well Brock played.

He 100 percent wanted him. Things change over time.

He gave him the job before camp and then hedged the move after seeing his camp performance. Again, things change over time.

He's had opportunities here. Still does.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
This is why i figured they were going with Fields because Lance had to develop just to get to Fields level and then he had to make another leap after that. I think Shanahan wanted the unmolded clay he could make into his dream QB.

Fields is/was every bit the project of a passer that Lance is and Lance at least arguably had a better foundation to build from and came from an offense that was at least structurally similar to ours.

Fields has had a two year runway on a bad team with no better option at the position. And we still don't actually know if he's any good.

I mean i guess you can have that opinion. Its wrong. But you can have it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
This is why i figured they were going with Fields because Lance had to develop just to get to Fields level and then he had to make another leap after that. I think Shanahan wanted the unmolded clay he could make into his dream QB.

Fields is/was every bit the project of a passer that Lance is and Lance at least arguably had a better foundation to build from and came from an offense that was at least structurally similar to ours.

Fields has had a two year runway on a bad team with no better option at the position. And we still don't actually know if he's any good.

Minimally, he's one of the most electric players in the league. He was must see TV last year, on a team going nowhere. That run ability, changes the way team play him, and often opens up throwing lanes. They added DJ Moore, get a full season with Claypool, so you will see Mooney as WR3, vs last year when it was Mooney as WR1, that's a big shift. Guys like EQ St Brown and Pettis, won't be seeing the field, as they did vs us. I think he will have a breakout season, more than likely, as a passer. What's odd, is if you ask anyone who follows college ball, 10/10 would have had Fields beyond TL. Only during draft season, when stupid stuff happens, like Wilson vaulting up cuz he rolled left and threw right at pro day, only then does the calculus start to change on these guys, from what is was for years. For example, Fields was a 5 star recruit, TL was hardly recruited.

Originally posted by Jcool:
I mean i guess you can have that opinion. Its wrong. But you can have it.

Cool. We'll see what happens in year three.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Minimally, he's one of the most electric players in the league. He was must see TV last year, on a team going nowhere. That run ability, changes the way team play him, and often opens up throwing lanes. They added DJ Moore, get a full season with Claypool, so you will see Mooney as WR3, vs last year when it was Mooney as WR1, that's a big shift. Guys like EQ St Brown and Pettis, won't be seeing the field, as they did vs us. I think he will have a breakout season, more than likely, as a passer. What's odd, is if you ask anyone who follows college ball, 10/10 would have had Fields beyond TL. Only during draft season, when stupid stuff happens, like Wilson vaulting up cuz he rolled left and threw right at pro day, only then does the calculus start to change on these guys, from what is was for years. For example, Fields was a 5 star recruit, TL was hardly recruited.

Definitely calling BS on the 10/10 college football viewers would have Fields ahead of him. I actually recall the whispers and negative stories surrounding him and his passing ability in the draft. Not to mention it's hard to assign credibility to fans and/or media analysts. I watched every one of their snaps and taking Lance was the preferred choice for me (though I would have taken neither).

There's no doubt he's an electric runner. He runs when he should and when he shouldn't… and for having one of the greatest rushing seasons in terms of production at the position, he still had at best an average impact on the game. Fantasy football players are convinced he's arrived for sure. He's dominant in that area.

The team has definitely improved around him. Looking forward to seeing what happens with him. Regardless of whatever that is, it's easy to recognize his first two years of play would have had him in no different situation than Lance if he was drafted here (minus the injury). Zero chance he beats out Jimmy G year one… and hard to believe we'd be optimistic after year two (his first full year starting).

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
On the physical traits subject, I am reminded of Schlereth who said we didn't get the run ability, we thought we were getting. Also Martz, who had a similar take on it.

Based off what? A couple random rushing attempts. I mean the whole idea with him is the scramble ability and read option stuff. Not qb power up the gut. A lot of that was blown blocks as well, not Lance being unathletic…again making any conclusions good or bad is pointless based off his lack of playing time.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He 100 percent wanted him. Things change over time.

He gave him the job before camp and then hedged the move after seeing his camp performance. Again, things change over time.

He's had opportunities here. Still does.

Yeah things change when you get 50 starts and it's a ton of bad play. Not 170 random passing attempts.

He got one off season as the starter, had the starter from the past 6 yrs there and got 5QRs lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Based off what? A couple random rushing attempts. I mean the whole idea with him is the scramble ability and read option stuff. Not qb power up the gut. A lot of that was blown blocks as well, not Lance being unathletic…again making any conclusions good or bad is pointless based off his lack of playing time.

Schlereth's opinion was lazy. Start with the fact that it's based on the idea that drafting an electric athlete was the top priority. All reporting and statements from our Coach and GM show otherwise.

Don't have to go much further than the well reported idea that we chose between Lance and Jones. Very simple to work back from there, not even factoring any other piece of evidence.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah things change when you get 50 starts and it's a ton of bad play. Not 170 random passing attempts.

He got one off season as the starter, had the starter from the past 6 yrs there and got 5QRs lol

That's clearly not the case. You're watching it happen in real time.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Minimally, he's one of the most electric players in the league. He was must see TV last year, on a team going nowhere. That run ability, changes the way team play him, and often opens up throwing lanes. They added DJ Moore, get a full season with Claypool, so you will see Mooney as WR3, vs last year when it was Mooney as WR1, that's a big shift. Guys like EQ St Brown and Pettis, won't be seeing the field, as they did vs us. I think he will have a breakout season, more than likely, as a passer. What's odd, is if you ask anyone who follows college ball, 10/10 would have had Fields beyond TL. Only during draft season, when stupid stuff happens, like Wilson vaulting up cuz he rolled left and threw right at pro day, only then does the calculus start to change on these guys, from what is was for years. For example, Fields was a 5 star recruit, TL was hardly recruited.

And yet you were the guy that said Lance was gonna be the MVP tossing for 50 TDs this time last yr?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
This is why i figured they were going with Fields because Lance had to develop just to get to Fields level and then he had to make another leap after that. I think Shanahan wanted the unmolded clay he could make into his dream QB.

Fields is/was every bit the project of a passer that Lance is and Lance at least arguably had a better foundation to build from and came from an offense that was at least structurally similar to ours.

Fields has had a two year runway on a bad team with no better option at the position. And we still don't actually know if he's any good.

Minimally, he's one of the most electric players in the league. He was must see TV last year, on a team going nowhere. That run ability, changes the way team play him, and often opens up throwing lanes. They added DJ Moore, get a full season with Claypool, so you will see Mooney as WR3, vs last year when it was Mooney as WR1, that's a big shift. Guys like EQ St Brown and Pettis, won't be seeing the field, as they did vs us. I think he will have a breakout season, more than likely, as a passer. What's odd, is if you ask anyone who follows college ball, 10/10 would have had Fields beyond TL. Only during draft season, when stupid stuff happens, like Wilson vaulting up cuz he rolled left and threw right at pro day, only then does the calculus start to change on these guys, from what is was for years. For example, Fields was a 5 star recruit, TL was hardly recruited.

He is the best RB in the league , but as a passer he is last (amongst starters )

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah things change when you get 50 starts and it's a ton of bad play. Not 170 random passing attempts.

He got one off season as the starter, had the starter from the past 6 yrs there and got 5QRs lol

That's clearly not the case. You're watching it happen in real time.

I mean that's the truth of the situation. Let's stop acting like Lance has some large portfolio of bad football to make some conclusion on. He got 4 QRs of football as the starter. The guy that kyle made the largest trade in SF history for…so let's keep it real, Brock isn't gonna get some endless amount of football regardless of how bad he plays. Kyle will move off whomever if he feels like that's the right thing. That much is true.

imo we got a couple young QBs that can win games here.