Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yup. I'll take the Brock flashy plays of finding the check down or just alluding the rush and taking what the defense gives him. It works and is consistent

This is what made him better than Jimmy out the gate.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Mac jokes def played the best. Lawrence was shafted by the worst coach in modern nfl history.

Glad you're not a guy that's too into hyperbole.

Originally posted by tankle104:
This is also with the narrative that Brock doesn't have a high ceiling.

for me personally, I think the way Brock plays the game - gives him a higher ceiling in the NFL.

i don't really know what lances ceiling is but I don't see it as sky high. I don't see it as low either but there is no reason to think he has a higher ceiling that Brock, IMO. Unless you think physical tools determines how good you can be.

both are small sample sizes but ones played at an exceptional level and one hasn't.

I'm not set in stone on that, if Lance stsrts to ball then my opinion would change. I just don't see any reason to think Lance has a higher ceiling than Brock. Brocks continually played at a higher level in college and NFL.

One hasn't even played back to back full games…and when we do talk about the Texans games it gets dissected to pieces to make it sound like it wasn't a good game, regardless of his overall stats being damn good.

Yes both are extremely small samples sizes. Lance's is even smaller.

I think there's reasons to say why Lance has a higher ceiling than Brock. Not sure why that's super taboo? He was the 3rd overall pick (and regarded as a high end 1st rd pick) for a reason. There's a reason Brock was the last pick in the draft. Now getting to that potential is a totally different thing. He sure we s**t isn't gonna get there as a backup.

I hope Brock becomes an elite QB. I'll be rooting for it…I do not want another Jimmy G type guy though. I want a guy that can take over a game and put the team on his back when all our all-stars aren't playing well or are out.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by tankle104:
This is also with the narrative that Brock doesn't have a high ceiling.

for me personally, I think the way Brock plays the game - gives him a higher ceiling in the NFL.

i don't really know what lances ceiling is but I don't see it as sky high. I don't see it as low either but there is no reason to think he has a higher ceiling that Brock, IMO. Unless you think physical tools determines how good you can be.

both are small sample sizes but ones played at an exceptional level and one hasn't.

I'm not set in stone on that, if Lance stsrts to ball then my opinion would change. I just don't see any reason to think Lance has a higher ceiling than Brock. Brocks continually played at a higher level in college and NFL.

People are confusing ceiling with play time. Not that it matters but if Trey had the same amount of time in play in school you may see a vastly improved player. Brock has that over him. Does that mean for a career he is better? We will see.

And also, I'm loving some Brock too but we have to see a full season if the glass slipper still fits. Hold our horses.

Not sure how anyone can make a fair compare between the two just yet.

I 100% agree that if Lance has played more, we would see a different player. I wish Lance wasn't shafted by COVID and injuries.

what I'm saying isn't trying to knock Lance, he's a talent for sure. I just don't buy the whole "he has a higher ceiling thing". I don't really like the whole "ceiling" discussion cause it's subjective and not really based on anything consistently.

if Lance can get more reps, which he will get a lot this camp, he will grow a ton from them. For better or worse. I'm think he will get better. I think his biggest issue right now is every play is for the first time he's seeing it. It's hard to play fast and decisive for anyone in that situation, no just Lance.

it's why I hope he gets more loose and confident - just sling it. Live with the results. I know I'd be fine if he made mistakes that way. Try not to overthink it and just go on instinct's while you learn.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Mac jokes def played the best. Lawrence was shafted by the worst coach in modern nfl history.

Glad you're not a guy that's too into hyperbole.

Lawrence was awful in his own right his rookie yr. Anyone who watched him saw in accurate throws, playing bad under pressure, processing too slow etc. just blaming the coach is lazy. He didn't help, but he play poorly all on his own. He needed a full yr of football to understand how it all works. Shocking I know.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I 100% agree that if Lance has played more, we would see a different player. I wish Lance wasn't shafted by COVID and injuries.

what I'm saying isn't trying to knock Lance, he's a talent for sure. I just don't buy the whole "he has a higher ceiling thing". I don't really like the whole "ceiling" discussion cause it's subjective and not really based on anything consistently.

if Lance can get more reps, which he will get a lot this camp, he will grow a ton from them. For better or worse. I'm think he will get better. I think his biggest issue right now is every play is for the first time he's seeing it. It's hard to play fast and decisive for anyone in that situation, no just Lance.

it's why I hope he gets more loose and confident - just sling it. Live with the results. I know I'd be fine if he made mistakes that way. Try not to overthink it and just go on instinct's while you learn.

He has god given ability that Brock simply doesn't have. He was a top 10 pick in the draft for a reason. It's okay to realize that, because it's simply the truth. Doesn't mean any of it will actually play out.

Brock wasn't the last pick in the draft because he had an elite arm, a stupid athletic profile or is 6-4 230lbs.

I don't see how it's subjective at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I 100% agree that if Lance has played more, we would see a different player. I wish Lance wasn't shafted by COVID and injuries.

what I'm saying isn't trying to knock Lance, he's a talent for sure. I just don't buy the whole "he has a higher ceiling thing". I don't really like the whole "ceiling" discussion cause it's subjective and not really based on anything consistently.

if Lance can get more reps, which he will get a lot this camp, he will grow a ton from them. For better or worse. I'm think he will get better. I think his biggest issue right now is every play is for the first time he's seeing it. It's hard to play fast and decisive for anyone in that situation, no just Lance.

it's why I hope he gets more loose and confident - just sling it. Live with the results. I know I'd be fine if he made mistakes that way. Try not to overthink it and just go on instinct's while you learn.

He has god given ability that Brock simply doesn't have. He was a top 10 pick in the draft for a reason. It's okay to realize that, because it's simply the truth. Doesn't mean any of it will actually play out.

I don't see how it's subjective at all.

He has great god given ability. There is no doubt about it. I'm just saying I don't think that determines how good you can be.

Steve made the greatest suggestion: Brock is the starter. Good for the team's "state of mind" as the year begins, just given the way it ended. But for better or for worse, this also puts all the pressure on him as well.

Lance's job is to work his arse off and put pressure on him and change the narrative.

I can't wait for some videos to come out if Lance running plays. I'm eager to see his work out to work. Lol I feel like his new throwing motion will enable him to hit slants and everything so much better/quickly. - quick release with a strong arm is awesome

Originally posted by tankle104:
He has great god given ability. There is no doubt about it. I'm just saying I don't think that determines how good you can be.

I mean this is a sport where size, speed and athletic profile are a massive part of being good. There are simply things Lance can do that Brock will never be able to do. That's called a ceiling. Again none of it matters if one guy never gets to play because the coach doesn't want to invest the time into seeing it through. Is what it is. You draft a 20 yr old with 360 passing attempts, you think common sense would show that he's far from a finished product.

IMO there was no point in drafting Lance if they weren't gonna invest the time to develop him (play him). We will see it's a long season and a bunch of s**t always seems to happen in SF

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If I told you on draft day two years ago that we would be debating whether the niners would trade either Lance or Sam darnold, you guys would have banned me.

Why would we trade Lance? Sam I get, he's proven to be a backup in this league and actually saves this team money in a move.

We shouldn't be moving any QB. We don't have large enough sample sizes either way to come to a conclusion on lance/Brock (and that's not factoring in QB injuries we always have)

I don't want to trade Lance at this point. It's just bizarre that this is even being contemplated.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean this is a sport where size, speed and athletic profile are a massive part of being good. There are simply things Lance can do that Brock will never be able to do. That's called a ceiling. Again none of it matters if one guy never gets to play because the coach doesn't want to invest the time into seeing it through. Is what it is. You draft a 20 yr old with 360 passing attempts, you think common sense would show that he's far from a finished product.

IMO there was no point in drafting Lance if they weren't gonna invest the time to develop him (play him). We will see it's a long season and a bunch of s**t always seems to happen in SF

They did invest time in him though. They gave him a job competition free and catered an entire offseason worth of planning around him being the number 1 guy.

It's no doubt frustrating for fans that we've only seen a handful of starts or appearances… but it's foolish to think our awesome coach doesn't have a damn good idea of what he has in a player in terms of both short and long term capability after two plus years of being around the guy.

We're going to see this play out here or elsewhere. Hopefully lessons are learned and understanding adjusted.

Originally posted by random49er:
Steve made the greatest suggestion: Brock is the starter. Good for the team's "state of mind" as the year begins, just given the way it ended. But for better or for worse, this also puts all the pressure on him as well.

Lance's job is to work his arse off and put pressure on him and change the narrative.

Totally agree. I don't see how you could hand the starting spot to Lance after the way brock played. I also don't think Brock is immune to being benched if he doesn't play well.

my issue is the whole splitting reps with Sam. I think thats ridiculous. I also think Lance will beat him out as QB2 heading into the yr…after that it's up to Brock to maintain his play and lance to play his butt off to prove he deserves the shot if it even happens.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I don't want to trade Lance at this point. It's just bizarre that this is even being contemplated.

I mean it sounds more like fans and hot takes, than real substance as far as trade talks go.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean this is a sport where size, speed and athletic profile are a massive part of being good. There are simply things Lance can do that Brock will never be able to do. That's called a ceiling. Again none of it matters if one guy never gets to play because the coach doesn't want to invest the time into seeing it through. Is what it is. You draft a 20 yr old with 360 passing attempts, you think common sense would show that he's far from a finished product.

IMO there was no point in drafting Lance if they weren't gonna invest the time to develop him (play him). We will see it's a long season and a bunch of s**t always seems to happen in SF

This is why i figured they were going with Fields because Lance had to develop just to get to Fields level and then he had to make another leap after that. I think Shanahan wanted the unmolded clay he could make into his dream QB.