Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
You'll probably need to keep that with the circle jerk.

Are you drunk posting again? Or are you trying to offend this time? lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mattster03:
It was more than just a gamble... it was betting the farm. And not only was it a miss, it was barely even a try... I am convinced Shanny did not get "his guy", or else there would have at least been a better attempt at developing him. The Niners used 3 1sts and a 3rd for the guy and those picks turned into the Dolphins picking up 3 key pieces that massively advanced their franchise. The guy we got with all that capital is now worth a conditional 2nd... allegedly. Embarrassing.

We doing this again?

You said it yourself at the end. Embarrassing indeed. And I'm not talking about Trey's selection.

Are we doing what again? My apologies, I haven't logged in for a while... did the entire forum decide that Trey was Shanny's guy all along despite the fact that everything he did regarding him since draft day suggests he didn't like him?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

Lol this.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Many believed this because our team was good enough where we didn't need a QB to play like Mahomes/Josh Allen right away.

The problem is due to unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstances Trey did not get to play with the team at its best. The one game we saw him start in that wasn't marred by injuries to key players or had terrible field conditions was the game that people like to dismiss because it was the Texans.

Brock came in and showed a grasp of the offense and made things look easy but he also had a lot more experience to build on and got to come in when the roster was in the midst of an impressive win streak and added a mega piece in CMC as the final infinity stone to the offensive gauntlet.

Sure we can say that Trey never looked as comfortable as Brock but we also don't have a picture of Brock in a game without CMC and Kittle to know if he'd still look great or not.

Personally I want to make sure the team does everything it can to ensure that whomever they go with IS the best guy for this team. Short term and long term. That evaluation is critical by comparing the two QBs on the same field, with the same players in the same plays.

I hope Brock is 100% healthy as soon as possible so we can have that evaluation. I'm rooting for both guys but I absolutely want to see both of them again in similar circumstances.

Great post. As much as I believe a lot of this post to be common sense, we have a large portion of posters on this board who needs to read this.

I'm sure Kyle will take all these excuses….err I mean common sense into account and make Lance QB1 for the season. If anyone knows that Lance issues are due to the team sucking around him, and not Lance himself, it's Kyle.

Kyle made Lance QB1 last seaosn, so this sarcastic and emotionally driven post isnt really making the point you think it is. Also, no one every said the team sucked around him, but you know that.

"Sarcastic and emotionally driven post" that's rich coming from you.

So I'm sure he'll make him starter again. What has changed regarding the way kyle views his Lance? broken ankle and plenty of time to rehab shouldn't change much for a QB.

Yes, the offense and defense have been blamed for failing him.

Originally posted by mattster03:
Are we doing what again? My apologies, I haven't logged in for a while... did the entire forum decide that Trey was Shanny's guy all along despite the fact that everything he did regarding him since draft day suggests he didn't like him?

I think you're on point with your overall assessment of the situation except I do think Kyle ended up choosing Trey and it wasn't something that was forced on him. There's too much evidence from his past to suggest he wouldn't have raised hell if that was what happened. I do think there may have been an element where he was conflicted and there was an organizational push in the direction of Trey. We likely won't know for a long time.

On the plus side we've been very successful in insulating the team against the worst possible outcomes of the trade so far, and there are clear signs they are willing to learn and adjust strategies quickly. I think that's all we can ask for considering we can't go back in time.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

He has to have all pros at all positions or he didn't really get a chance.

don't leave out the best tackle in football and top 3 play caller. :/

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
You'll probably need to keep that with the circle jerk.

Are you drunk posting again? Or are you trying to offend this time? lol

Good one! I guess?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Many believed this because our team was good enough where we didn't need a QB to play like Mahomes/Josh Allen right away.

The problem is due to unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstances Trey did not get to play with the team at its best. The one game we saw him start in that wasn't marred by injuries to key players or had terrible field conditions was the game that people like to dismiss because it was the Texans.

Brock came in and showed a grasp of the offense and made things look easy but he also had a lot more experience to build on and got to come in when the roster was in the midst of an impressive win streak and added a mega piece in CMC as the final infinity stone to the offensive gauntlet.

Sure we can say that Trey never looked as comfortable as Brock but we also don't have a picture of Brock in a game without CMC and Kittle to know if he'd still look great or not.

Personally I want to make sure the team does everything it can to ensure that whomever they go with IS the best guy for this team. Short term and long term. That evaluation is critical by comparing the two QBs on the same field, with the same players in the same plays.

I hope Brock is 100% healthy as soon as possible so we can have that evaluation. I'm rooting for both guys but I absolutely want to see both of them again in similar circumstances.

Great post. As much as I believe a lot of this post to be common sense, we have a large portion of posters on this board who needs to read this.

I'm sure Kyle will take all these excuses….err I mean common sense into account and make Lance QB1 for the season. If anyone knows that Lance issues are due to the team sucking around him, and not Lance himself, it's Kyle.

Kyle made Lance QB1 last seaosn, so this sarcastic and emotionally driven post isnt really making the point you think it is. Also, no one every said the team sucked around him, but you know that.

"Sarcastic and emotionally driven post" that's rich coming from you.

So I'm sure he'll make him starter again. What has changed regarding the way kyle views his Lance? broken ankle and plenty of time to rehab shouldn't change much for a QB.

Yes, the offense and defense have been blamed for failing him.

What's changed is Brock Purdy.

My posts aren't emotionally driven. Give me a break.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

He has to have all pros at all positions or he didn't really get a chance.

don't leave out the best tackle in football and top 3 play caller. :/

No one said he didnt have a chance. But as usual, context is left out of the post you are replying to.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

So now we're evaluating Trey for the Seahawks game where he came in cold and even close to his finger injury?

Ok...in that game he was 9/18 157 yards 2 TD 0 INT and 41 yards rushing and a 2 pt conversion. Let's also pretend that Kittle was totally healthy and didn't end up missing the next 4 weeks. Let's also ignore that the great and powerful Jimmy in the same game went for 14/23 165 yards 1 TD and 1 INT with 0 rushing yards.

Cardinals where Mitchell was playing with busted up ribs after sitting out the Seattle game and got 7 less carries than the QB.

Let's pretend that Aiyuk wasn't in the doghouse the first half of the 2021 season and was nowhere the player he was last season.

Let's forget that Mitchell got hurt early in the Bears game, OL played like dog s**t on that field and the team committed insane amount of penalties.

The point was also not that Trey played with scrubs, but that he didn't play with the talent that Purdy got to play with. How many drops did the guys have in Chicago? Trent Williams got called out by a 5th round rookie DE by the Bears. A guy who had 1.5 sacks and several pressures that day and then didn't get another sack or qb hit all year after that. 3 new starters on the interior of the OL. You think by the time Brock got to play they were able to grow as players?

And point to one person who said "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff"

You either have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to your own team or you have no problem playing dumb to try to trash a young QB. It's almost like it's a personal offense to some of you to give Lance a little credit or context to why he may not have been playing with the same level of squad as Purdy.

Nowhere in my original post say had they swapped positions Purdy is terrible and Lance is playing at an MVP level. I'm simply saying we don't know what either would've looked like in that situation and it's critical the team tries to bridge that gap in their evaluation to understand how much better Trey can be or how much worse Brock can be.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

He has to have all pros at all positions or he didn't really get a chance.

don't leave out the best tackle in football and top 3 play caller. :/

Man you guys are ridiculous… y'all been criticizing Trey all offseason. Which is fine… but no one besides yourselves believes Trey is the only QB who's allowed excuses.

How many posters blamed Tartt or the OL for the NFC championship instead of Jimmy? Or the defense vs KC in the SB?

Tankle, you just said mentioned how good Dallas defense was in regards to Brock not scoring a TD that day. Is this context or an excuse?

Because you can either acknowledge the context of the games or you don't. But don't pretend Trey is any different when we've had 6 YEARS of excuses for Jimmy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by mattster03:
Are we doing what again? My apologies, I haven't logged in for a while... did the entire forum decide that Trey was Shanny's guy all along despite the fact that everything he did regarding him since draft day suggests he didn't like him?

I think you're on point with your overall assessment of the situation except I do think Kyle ended up choosing Trey and it wasn't something that was forced on him. There's too much evidence from his past to suggest he wouldn't have raised hell if that was what happened. I do think there may have been an element where he was conflicted and there was an organizational push in the direction of Trey. We likely won't know for a long time.

On the plus side we've been very successful in insulating the team against the worst possible outcomes of the trade so far, and there are clear signs they are willing to learn and adjust strategies quickly. I think that's all we can ask for considering we can't go back in time.

Could "raising hell" , from a political standpoint, look like dragging your feet to start / name the new centerpiece as QB1 or smashing him into the line 16X as a running on his first start? I don't think it was forced on him, I think there was a ton of pressure from the organization as you mentioned. I firmly believe he assumed Mac Jones would be the guy when they started discussing making a big move up... something changed. I said it from the day they made the move... regardless of who they chose at #3, no one would be worth that capital and a good choice would have still been there at their original draft position.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

He has to have all pros at all positions or he didn't really get a chance.

don't leave out the best tackle in football and top 3 play caller. :/

Best tackle in football that got called out by a 5th round rookie DE for the Bears who did absolute squat the rest of the season?

MAYBE just maybe the team underperformed in that game as a whole and it's not all Lance's fault.

Everyone loves to sh*t on Trey but how did Jimmy G do with all that vs Indy at home mind you in a heavy rain game?

16/27 181 1 TD 2 INT, 2 Fumbles, 1 lost. 0 rushing yards. But surely we won the game cuz Jimmy just wins right?

Not sure why it's so hard for some of you guys to understand some situations aren't great indicators of QB play.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kyle had Lance playing with the following scrubs

Seahawks - Deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Kittle

cardinals - Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice, and Mitchell

Bears - deebo, Aiyuk, juice, Mitchell, Wilson (remember him? "We don't need CMC because we already have Jeff")

And let's not get into failure of a defense

He has to have all pros at all positions or he didn't really get a chance.

don't leave out the best tackle in football and top 3 play caller. :/

Man you guys are ridiculous… y'all been criticizing Trey all offseason. Which is fine… but no one besides yourselves believes Trey is the only QB who's allowed excuses.

How many posters blamed Tartt or the OL for the NFC championship instead of Jimmy? Or the defense vs KC in the SB?

Tankle, you just said mentioned how good Dallas defense was in regards to Brock not scoring a TD that day. Is this context or an excuse?

Because you can either acknowledge the context of the games or you don't. But don't pretend Trey is any different when we've had 6 YEARS of excuses for Jimmy.

It's embarrassing. Dudes lining up to take shots at a 21/22 year old kid in crazy conditions and we have some CRAZY excuses for Jimmy G.

Apparently saying Trey didn't play with CMC and Kittle is saying he played with trash but saying Jimmy G didn't get the playbook for an offense he's been in for 6 seasons is great context why he stepped out of the endzone for a safety...just prior to throwing a pick 6 which was negated. Or blaming Jeff Wilson for fumbling the game away and ignoring the awful throw into triple coverage Jimmy made the drive prior.

And Garoppolo didn't start his first game until he was 25 years old. Trey turned 23 in May but apparently he needs to be held to a higher standard than an 8 year NFL vet.