Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NDSU:
I really hope Lance goes to ATL.
It will be hilarious if Brock turns out to be like Foles who caught lightning in a bottle for a short time, then reverted back to mediocre.
If Lance kills it in Atlanta this thread will become historically funny.

Do you think Lance is a good fit for Kyle's system? Can you imagine a world where Trey kills it in Atlanta and Purdy kills it in SF?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NDSU:
I really hope Lance goes to ATL.
It will be hilarious if Brock turns out to be like Foles who caught lightning in a bottle for a short time, then reverted back to mediocre.
If Lance kills it in Atlanta this thread will become historically funny.

Do you think Lance is a good fit for Kyle's system? Can you imagine a world where Trey kills it in Atlanta and Purdy kills it in SF?

Nope. I am not sure if Lance is even good enough to be in the NFL.
Im just saying the scenario that I posted would be comedy gold.
But.... I am not sold on Brock being as good at he was last year.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Well the question is if we did that, would we even get to the playoffs? Seems like we'd have to endure a lot of mistakes or win ugly, based on the way Kyle felt he had to call the games that Trey played in. Agreed about Purdy, as I've said a few times, he really exposed Jimmy and Trey's weaknesses. He seems to fit perfectly with Kyle and they look unstoppable together.

Unstoppable until he didn't step up into the pocket

Or maybe we shouldn't have had a backup TE trying to go one on one versus one of the NFL's best pass rushers?

Funny how we take cerebral QBs able to audible or call TOs and turn them into puppets whenever a play doesn't go right.

Maybe we should stop being hindsight captains, pretending as if we should easily be able to predict season-changing injuries?

We can be upset about injuries and STILL not pretend like we're injury and playcalling experts based on past events. Give me some clue on future events if this is the card we're going to play. I mean I'll have no choice but to buy in.

You don't have to be a "hindsight captain" nor a "play calling expert" to know that having a 3rd string TE pass block a premier edge rusher on a long pass play is not a good idea.

You're directly correlating it to getting injured. As usual,...it makes next to no sense.

Something more creative like "he was matched up this way for 20% of his drop backs in the playoffs" would actually lead us somewhere towards having a scheme-related discussion,...but you know and I know that you have zero backing for this.

It's just more of the usual x led to y stuff,....leaving out the hundreds of other x's that have occurred last NFL season that did not lead to season-ending injuries requiring surgery.

It's just yet another logical failure,...but by all means,...continue making him "cerebral" and able to adjust to bad matchups and the defense only when it's convenient to the narrative.

The easiest thing in the world to do is blame some guy that doesn't play football.

Originally posted by mattster03:
It was more than just a gamble... it was betting the farm.

Why is our farm currently top 3 in the country in quality livestock, then?

Please piece it together for me.

Kyle and Lynch gamble. That's why we have a stocked roster to begin with, lol.
Either you are on board with their style (that has led to a stacked roster), or you want a coach and GM tandem that is more conservative.You can't pick and choose in hindsight.

Originally posted by NDSU:
I really hope Lance goes to ATL.
It will be hilarious if Brock turns out to be like Foles who caught lightning in a bottle for a short time, then reverted back to mediocre.
If Lance kills it in Atlanta this thread will become historically funny.

Sadly it's only a matter of time until "The Faithful" turn on Brock.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Are jokes really that hard, man? Bottom line is Purdy is being blamed for a bad protection "season ending injury" call by Kyle. . . .

Edited so we can be consistent with the spin machine. Let's not conveniently leave out the narrative.

It is injury blaming. But I think I have a cool solution: Let's not blame anyone?

Freak circumstance,...freak injury,....these things happen in football, and let's carry on.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Sadly it's only a matter of time until "The Faithful" turn on Brock.

Some of us are patient enough to wait and hear that he is picking up from where he left off.

Since we haven't already made him in to Joe Montana or Tom Brady in our minds, and we know how great of a playcaller Kyle is (see Jimmy)....we've left alot of room for middle ground.

No rush.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Well the question is if we did that, would we even get to the playoffs? Seems like we'd have to endure a lot of mistakes or win ugly, based on the way Kyle felt he had to call the games that Trey played in. Agreed about Purdy, as I've said a few times, he really exposed Jimmy and Trey's weaknesses. He seems to fit perfectly with Kyle and they look unstoppable together.

Unstoppable until he didn't step up into the pocket

Or maybe we shouldn't have had a backup TE trying to go one on one versus one of the NFL's best pass rushers?

Funny how we take cerebral QBs able to audible or call TOs and turn them into puppets whenever a play doesn't go right.

Maybe we should stop being hindsight captains, pretending as if we should easily be able to predict season-changing injuries?

We can be upset about injuries and STILL not pretend like we're injury and playcalling experts based on past events. Give me some clue on future events if this is the card we're going to play. I mean I'll have no choice but to buy in.

You don't have to be a "hindsight captain" nor a "play calling expert" to know that having a 3rd string TE pass block a premier edge rusher on a long pass play is not a good idea.

He was a rookie in his 9th start playing in a hostile environment in an nfc championship game. Kyle called the play and put him in that position.

Brock haters: he should have audibled or stepped up. He f**king sucks.

Same guys: trey needs at least three years to develop.

No one says Brock sucks.

You're doing too much… do less.

Are jokes really that hard, man? Bottom line is Purdy is being blamed for a bad protection call by Kyle, yet Trey is given excuse after excuse. Trey has had more time to learn the offense. Why the vastly different standards?

Jokes? Lol

IMO there's far more people who are skeptical of Trey than posters making excuses for him or thinking Trey should start over Purdy… and rightfully so since no one truly knows where he's at as a player.

What Brock did was not normal for any rookie QB, let alone the last pick in the draft. He deserves to be considered the favorite due to his play, which in comparison Trey has proved very little.

I've been on record acknowledging Trey's raw mechanics, his lack of touch on short passes, the lack of rhythm with the offense, and his hesitation on designed run plays.

All of those things are evident, and have been rehashed over and over and over this offseason. Along with a lot of other criticisms about his film I don't see evidence for. But those are the kinds of debates I'd like to have.

What I've had issues with the last several months is the consistent exaggerations and speculative statements regarded as factual from fans who don't believe in Trey.

Examples of this include the Instagram posts where fans assumed he was on Vacation instead of training for the season, or that the peace sign emoji proved Trey wanted to be traded or cut, or that Kyle never wanted to draft him, or that Trey's teammates don't like him, or that John Lynch never believed in him, and that the team was actively trying to trade Trey.

I'd argue no QB in 49ers history has had this many rumors made against them in one offseason with zero or contradictory evidence.

I've been basically begging folks to criticize Trey film instead of this rumor garbage… which was once considered hating for other QBs.

Which is why I call BS on the different "standards" theory you're suggesting.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Sadly it's only a matter of time until "The Faithful" turn on Brock.

Some of us are patient enough to wait and hear that he is picking up from where he left off.

Since we haven't already made him in to Joe Montana or Tom Brady in our minds, and we know how great of a playcaller Kyle is (see Jimmy)....we've left alot of room for middle ground.

No rush.

People used to say the same about Trey but he has started 3.2 games and a good chunk of our fans have already turned.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Sadly it's only a matter of time until "The Faithful" turn on Brock.

Some of us are patient enough to wait and hear that he is picking up from where he left off.

Since we haven't already made him in to Joe Montana or Tom Brady in our minds, and we know how great of a playcaller Kyle is (see Jimmy)....we've left alot of room for middle ground.

No rush.

People used to say the same about Trey but he has started 3.2 games and a good chunk of our fans have already turned.

As Waterbear alluded to. Let's throw out all the garbage people are "saying" and try to discuss what shows up on film, and/or what's going on currently regarding him and the team.

What people say for a player that hasn't played much is nothing but filler space.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by mattster03:
It was more than just a gamble... it was betting the farm.

Why is our farm currently top 3 in the country in quality livestock, then?

Please piece it together for me.

Kyle and Lynch gamble. That's why we have a stocked roster to begin with, lol.
Either you are on board with their style (that has led to a stacked roster), or you want a coach and GM tandem that is more conservative.You can't pick and choose in hindsight.

This was an unprecedented and unnecessary gamble. Everything they did to build the team prior to this is nothing like what they did prior to the draft in 2021. It was an embarrassing series of events leading up to their choice and an embarrassing series of events since.

im not a huge fan of Lance but damn. I feel bad for the young guy with all the negative national talk he's getting. Lol rich or not, still a human.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Sadly it's only a matter of time until "The Faithful" turn on Brock.

Some of us are patient enough to wait and hear that he is picking up from where he left off.

Since we haven't already made him in to Joe Montana or Tom Brady in our minds, and we know how great of a playcaller Kyle is (see Jimmy)....we've left alot of room for middle ground.

No rush.

People used to say the same about Trey but he has started 3.2 games and a good chunk of our fans have already turned.

I can't speak for everyone but I thought it was a bad pick from the start. Three 1st round picks for a QB that started one year in college. Then goes on to look like the project he is, which was expected yes, but again it just goes to show it was a bad trade.

Now he may turn into a pretty good QB, but like I've said all along, I just don't think it will be with the 9ers. 49ers just don't have that kind of time to see if he has it. Especially when you got Brock who played pretty damn good for a rookie.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Many believed this because our team was good enough where we didn't need a QB to play like Mahomes/Josh Allen right away.

The problem is due to unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstances Trey did not get to play with the team at its best. The one game we saw him start in that wasn't marred by injuries to key players or had terrible field conditions was the game that people like to dismiss because it was the Texans.

Brock came in and showed a grasp of the offense and made things look easy but he also had a lot more experience to build on and got to come in when the roster was in the midst of an impressive win streak and added a mega piece in CMC as the final infinity stone to the offensive gauntlet.

Sure we can say that Trey never looked as comfortable as Brock but we also don't have a picture of Brock in a game without CMC and Kittle to know if he'd still look great or not.

Personally I want to make sure the team does everything it can to ensure that whomever they go with IS the best guy for this team. Short term and long term. That evaluation is critical by comparing the two QBs on the same field, with the same players in the same plays.

I hope Brock is 100% healthy as soon as possible so we can have that evaluation. I'm rooting for both guys but I absolutely want to see both of them again in similar circumstances.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by mattster03:
It was more than just a gamble... it was betting the farm.

Why is our farm currently top 3 in the country in quality livestock, then?

Please piece it together for me.

Kyle and Lynch gamble. That's why we have a stocked roster to begin with, lol.
Either you are on board with their style (that has led to a stacked roster), or you want a coach and GM tandem that is more conservative.You can't pick and choose in hindsight.

This was an unprecedented and unnecessary gamble. Everything they did to build the team prior to this is nothing like what they did prior to the draft in 2021. It was an embarrassing series of events leading up to their choice and an embarrassing series of events since.

It is never an unneccesary gamlbe to attempt to trade for a franchise QB when you dont have one