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Jul 12, 2023 at 12:23 PM
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

Meh. I think I'll just wait for training camp. Thanks anyway.

Denial is a b***h
Jul 12, 2023 at 12:45 PM
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

I feel like Kyle/John and whoever decided on Trey deserve blame too. It's not solely Trey's fault that he is in this situation.

1) I think the team massively underestimated how raw he was. They got caught up in "what he brings" without calculating "what he won't be able to bring for the first few seasons".
2) if you look at the last 20 drafts, very few players would have been worth that kind of massive trade. So he always had an uphill battle.

i just never understood the pick for our team at that time. Trey is super green and really have no idea if he can play ball at a high level, while we needed someone who could do at least what Jimmy can do (or close to it) while he developed because the team is a super bowl contender. It's not fair to a player to be like "you have physical tools, and a smart guy, so we think you will get up to speed and do what a top 8-12 qb does from day one (Jimmy)". Idk why but people downplay how good Jimmy really was for us

brock is anomaly, he has a ton of records and jerseys in the HOF for a reason.
but since we used so much draft capital on him, he has no choice but to get huge expectations heaped on him.

i personally blame Kyle a lot for this situation. I just don't think he's as good at identifying college talent for the pros as he thinks he is. Great coach but he isn't a scout, scouts usually aren't coaches for a reason. Takes two different types of analysis.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jul 12, 2023 at 12:47 PM ]
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:03 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

I feel like Kyle/John and whoever decided on Trey deserve blame too. It's not solely Trey's fault that he is in this situation.

1) I think the team massively underestimated how raw he was. They got caught up in "what he brings" without calculating "what he won't be able to bring for the first few seasons".
2) if you look at the last 20 drafts, very few players would have been worth that kind of massive trade. So he always had an uphill battle.

i just never understood the pick for our team at that time. Trey is super green and really have no idea if he can play ball at a high level, while we needed someone who could do at least what Jimmy can do (or close to it) while he developed because the team is a super bowl contender. It's not fair to a player to be like "you have physical tools, and a smart guy, so we think you will get up to speed and do what a top 8-12 qb does from day one (Jimmy)". Idk why but people downplay how good Jimmy really was for us

brock is anomaly, he has a ton of records and jerseys in the HOF for a reason.
but since we used so much draft capital on him, he has no choice but to get huge expectations heaped on him.

i personally blame Kyle a lot for this situation. I just don't think he's as good at identifying college talent for the pros as he thinks he is. Great coach but he isn't a scout, scouts usually aren't coaches for a reason. Takes two different types of analysis.

Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:31 PM
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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

I feel like Kyle/John and whoever decided on Trey deserve blame too. It's not solely Trey's fault that he is in this situation.

1) I think the team massively underestimated how raw he was. They got caught up in "what he brings" without calculating "what he won't be able to bring for the first few seasons".
2) if you look at the last 20 drafts, very few players would have been worth that kind of massive trade. So he always had an uphill battle.

i just never understood the pick for our team at that time. Trey is super green and really have no idea if he can play ball at a high level, while we needed someone who could do at least what Jimmy can do (or close to it) while he developed because the team is a super bowl contender. It's not fair to a player to be like "you have physical tools, and a smart guy, so we think you will get up to speed and do what a top 8-12 qb does from day one (Jimmy)". Idk why but people downplay how good Jimmy really was for us

brock is anomaly, he has a ton of records and jerseys in the HOF for a reason.
but since we used so much draft capital on him, he has no choice but to get huge expectations heaped on him.

i personally blame Kyle a lot for this situation. I just don't think he's as good at identifying college talent for the pros as he thinks he is. Great coach but he isn't a scout, scouts usually aren't coaches for a reason. Takes two different types of analysis.

Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Well all Jimmy was doing was handing the ball off and throwing screen passes, right? So Trey should have easily been able to do that, plus add the element of his runninig and stronger arm for deep routes.

That was the "argument" we heard anyway.
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:32 PM
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.

Jul 12, 2023 at 1:36 PM
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I've thought this is the best fit for him. There were rumors during that draft that they wanted to select Lance. I can totally see him going there

Plus they aren't really expected to compete for a chip, so he can get they ingame experience he needs . I do see the biggest hurdle being our precious past injuries but I can also see us just rolling in with Allen as third string
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jul 12, 2023 at 1:47 PM ]
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:39 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

I feel like Kyle/John and whoever decided on Trey deserve blame too. It's not solely Trey's fault that he is in this situation.

1) I think the team massively underestimated how raw he was. They got caught up in "what he brings" without calculating "what he won't be able to bring for the first few seasons".
2) if you look at the last 20 drafts, very few players would have been worth that kind of massive trade. So he always had an uphill battle.

i just never understood the pick for our team at that time. Trey is super green and really have no idea if he can play ball at a high level, while we needed someone who could do at least what Jimmy can do (or close to it) while he developed because the team is a super bowl contender. It's not fair to a player to be like "you have physical tools, and a smart guy, so we think you will get up to speed and do what a top 8-12 qb does from day one (Jimmy)". Idk why but people downplay how good Jimmy really was for us

brock is anomaly, he has a ton of records and jerseys in the HOF for a reason.
but since we used so much draft capital on him, he has no choice but to get huge expectations heaped on him.

i personally blame Kyle a lot for this situation. I just don't think he's as good at identifying college talent for the pros as he thinks he is. Great coach but he isn't a scout, scouts usually aren't coaches for a reason. Takes two different types of analysis.

Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Well all Jimmy was doing was handing the ball off and throwing screen passes, right? So Trey should have easily been able to do that, plus add the element of his runninig and stronger arm for deep routes.

That was the "argument" we heard anyway.

Yep.

"Anybody can throw a screen pass to Deebo for a 70yd TD"

Which had now turned into

" well Lance didn't have CMC. how is he suppose to get it done with just Deebo and Aiyuk as his playmakers"
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:47 PM
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I could see it happening. We don't know if they'd Want to play him, or would consider the thin odds his number would even come up (recency bias notwithstanding) if they think they'd slot him behind Sam as seems to be the rumor, or if anybody would trade for him next year when they'd have to decide on the 5th year option sight unseen, or they might have a better idea how to use $9.3m cap space this year for somebody that won't play. That last one is Big. You're welcome Nick and Brandon.

Look, when it doesn't work, whether it's their fault or your situation, you look forward and move along.
[ Edited by BOI49er on Jul 12, 2023 at 1:52 PM ]
Jul 12, 2023 at 1:52 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I've thought this is the best fit for him. There were rumors during that draft that they wanted to select Lance. I can totally see him going there

I can see it, but I doubt this will happen. The top QB was Mr. Irrelevant last year and coming off injury to his throwing arm. Lance, who also is coming off injury, is ahead of Darnold in the playbook but we simply haven't seen him for more than 3 1/2 meaningful games. Darnold, damn what the media is saying, I can't imagine that Shanny see's him as the starter over Lance should Purdy not be ready by game one. He has way too many DISPLAYED warts to start over a healthy QB who knows the playbook better. And given that this team can't keep QB's healthy I can see us keeping all 3 the whole season. So no way do I see this trade happening.
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Jul 12, 2023 at 1:56 PM ]
Jul 12, 2023 at 2:01 PM
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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I heard a rumor it wasn't true.
Jul 12, 2023 at 2:01 PM
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I don't think we will trade him until we've done everything we can to improve his trade value.
Jul 12, 2023 at 2:02 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I heard a rumor it wasn't true.

Sauce?
Jul 12, 2023 at 2:02 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

I feel like Kyle/John and whoever decided on Trey deserve blame too. It's not solely Trey's fault that he is in this situation.

1) I think the team massively underestimated how raw he was. They got caught up in "what he brings" without calculating "what he won't be able to bring for the first few seasons".
2) if you look at the last 20 drafts, very few players would have been worth that kind of massive trade. So he always had an uphill battle.

i just never understood the pick for our team at that time. Trey is super green and really have no idea if he can play ball at a high level, while we needed someone who could do at least what Jimmy can do (or close to it) while he developed because the team is a super bowl contender. It's not fair to a player to be like "you have physical tools, and a smart guy, so we think you will get up to speed and do what a top 8-12 qb does from day one (Jimmy)". Idk why but people downplay how good Jimmy really was for us

brock is anomaly, he has a ton of records and jerseys in the HOF for a reason.
but since we used so much draft capital on him, he has no choice but to get huge expectations heaped on him.

i personally blame Kyle a lot for this situation. I just don't think he's as good at identifying college talent for the pros as he thinks he is. Great coach but he isn't a scout, scouts usually aren't coaches for a reason. Takes two different types of analysis.

Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Well all Jimmy was doing was handing the ball off and throwing screen passes, right? So Trey should have easily been able to do that, plus add the element of his runninig and stronger arm for deep routes.

That was the "argument" we heard anyway.

My argument was always that if you gave Trey a season's worth of work, he would be able to provide what Jimmy was able to when it came down the stretch/playoffs. But all of that might be moot because Brock was able to step in as the last pick in the draft and far exceed what Jimmy was able to do anyway.
Jul 12, 2023 at 2:04 PM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Wondering if this is true. But if it is I can't see this happening. I don't see Shanny trading him away on a team that can't keep heathy QB's.


I heard a rumor it wasn't true.

Sauce?

Multiple cannot confirm
Jul 12, 2023 at 2:31 PM
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-rumors-critical-reports-trey-lance-true

good article on the present situation for TL and how it got here

I feel like Kyle/John and whoever decided on Trey deserve blame too. It's not solely Trey's fault that he is in this situation.

1) I think the team massively underestimated how raw he was. They got caught up in "what he brings" without calculating "what he won't be able to bring for the first few seasons".
2) if you look at the last 20 drafts, very few players would have been worth that kind of massive trade. So he always had an uphill battle.

i just never understood the pick for our team at that time. Trey is super green and really have no idea if he can play ball at a high level, while we needed someone who could do at least what Jimmy can do (or close to it) while he developed because the team is a super bowl contender. It's not fair to a player to be like "you have physical tools, and a smart guy, so we think you will get up to speed and do what a top 8-12 qb does from day one (Jimmy)". Idk why but people downplay how good Jimmy really was for us

brock is anomaly, he has a ton of records and jerseys in the HOF for a reason.
but since we used so much draft capital on him, he has no choice but to get huge expectations heaped on him.

i personally blame Kyle a lot for this situation. I just don't think he's as good at identifying college talent for the pros as he thinks he is. Great coach but he isn't a scout, scouts usually aren't coaches for a reason. Takes two different types of analysis.

Bingo!

many believed that he could step right in and at the very least provide what Jimmy did (to your point downplaying what he actually brought) while developing into an elite QB like Josh Allen/Mahomes.

From the few games we've seen, other than a 1.5qtrs, we know that's not been the case. Offense has looked discombobulated, to put it nicely.

Now, Brock on the other hand, WAS able to provide what Jimmy did right off the bat, and more, while developing into the elite/FQB we've been so searching for.

Well all Jimmy was doing was handing the ball off and throwing screen passes, right? So Trey should have easily been able to do that, plus add the element of his runninig and stronger arm for deep routes.

That was the "argument" we heard anyway.

My argument was always that if you gave Trey a season's worth of work, he would be able to provide what Jimmy was able to when it came down the stretch/playoffs. But all of that might be moot because Brock was able to step in as the last pick in the draft and far exceed what Jimmy was able to do anyway.

Well the question is if we did that, would we even get to the playoffs? Seems like we'd have to endure a lot of mistakes or win ugly, based on the way Kyle felt he had to call the games that Trey played in. Agreed about Purdy, as I've said a few times, he really exposed Jimmy and Trey's weaknesses. He seems to fit perfectly with Kyle and they look unstoppable together.
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