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Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, selfishly for the team - you'd keep Trey around as a backup, regardless of how he feels. Yeah, I think Green Bay did something unique this year with love. Idk exactly how it was done but I remember reading that they did an extension but turned down the fifth year option.

i think Brock will be participating in camp early on. So it'll be interesting how the reps are split up. I expect that Brock will get first team reps and then sam/Lance will split second team reps. As camp goes on, it'll be telling of how the team is feeling about which player.

I would love for all QBs to be healthy so we can get a competition with all of them showing their best with the same conditions even if separated between team reps.

I just don't trust the expectations for Brock to be back and getting team reps early in camp. This wouldn't be the first time we had positive news injury wise and expectations were raised as a result when players would be back but the reality was very different.

I feel like last season we were told Armstead would be out a couple of weeks and we were expecting him back after the bye and he missed way more time.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, selfishly for the team - you'd keep Trey around as a backup, regardless of how he feels. Yeah, I think Green Bay did something unique this year with love. Idk exactly how it was done but I remember reading that they did an extension but turned down the fifth year option.

i think Brock will be participating in camp early on. So it'll be interesting how the reps are split up. I expect that Brock will get first team reps and then sam/Lance will split second team reps. As camp goes on, it'll be telling of how the team is feeling about which player.

I would love for all QBs to be healthy so we can get a competition with all of them showing their best with the same conditions even if separated between team reps.

I just don't trust the expectations for Brock to be back and getting team reps early in camp. This wouldn't be the first time we had positive news injury wise and expectations were raised as a result when players would be back but the reality was very different.

I feel like last season we were told Armstead would be out a couple of weeks and we were expecting him back after the bye and he missed way more time.

So I think Brock will def be back by week 1. I just don't know how he will be in the training camp timeline. There isn't very much Data for us to go on, it's annoying.

I've always felt like the way we've handled injuries has been odd. 1) we are injured a lot yesr in and year out. 2) no one ever seems to recover as anticipated. Lol
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Yes, let's pretend three of the 4 QB injuries we suffered last year werent basically from the pocket. You can claim Jimmy's wasn't since he could've just taken the sack and likely been fine but still kind of dumb to pretend QBs only get injured when running.

Right, the QB injuries that result from designed runs are what annoy me. If it happens in the pocket, it's unfortunate, but part of the game.

it annoys me when the play caller puts the most important player in all of sports (QB) at risk when they don't have to, you know? I understand running here and there - there is a time and place, but you have RUNNING BACKS for a reason. Lol

i love how Brock has enough athleticism to generate scrambles that make off schedule plays. I think Lance has a great physical skill set to help him when it comes to the passing game by the way he can move around and avoid players - but I don't like running him like a full back. I actually think Lance should of passed a lot more, whether he was good at it or not, because his athleticism would of helped bail him out of messed up pass plays. Does that make sense?

Yes it makes sense…we need to stop agreeing on things, it doesn't feel right lol.

I said that before he even got hurt last year, I wanted Kyle to draw up the run plays for him only for critical key downs/goal line situations and let him pass more where his scrambling can be an asset.

Unfortunately part of the issue could've been Kyle not only not trusting Trey(assuming that was even the case) but also the RBs we had. Not too crazy a stretch but the two games he was used way more as a RB Mitchell was either beat up(ribs) or injured early.

We have too much talent where Trey shouldn't have to be the main runner. Even on read options could simply fake it but hand it to the RB/Deebo regardless. It clearly works as we saw in the Seahawks game when Deebo broke one. Gotta protect the QB, risk reward has to be in play.
I feel like this is a fair evaluation of Trey in the Chicago game.

https://www.youtube.com/live/sIKF_dgEz6U?feature=share
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Yes, let's pretend three of the 4 QB injuries we suffered last year werent basically from the pocket. You can claim Jimmy's wasn't since he could've just taken the sack and likely been fine but still kind of dumb to pretend QBs only get injured when running.

Right, the QB injuries that result from designed runs are what annoy me. If it happens in the pocket, it's unfortunate, but part of the game.

it annoys me when the play caller puts the most important player in all of sports (QB) at risk when they don't have to, you know? I understand running here and there - there is a time and place, but you have RUNNING BACKS for a reason. Lol

i love how Brock has enough athleticism to generate scrambles that make off schedule plays. I think Lance has a great physical skill set to help him when it comes to the passing game by the way he can move around and avoid players - but I don't like running him like a full back. I actually think Lance should of passed a lot more, whether he was good at it or not, because his athleticism would of helped bail him out of messed up pass plays. Does that make sense?

Yes it makes sense…we need to stop agreeing on things, it doesn't feel right lol.

I said that before he even got hurt last year, I wanted Kyle to draw up the run plays for him only for critical key downs/goal line situations and let him pass more where his scrambling can be an asset.

Unfortunately part of the issue could've been Kyle not only not trusting Trey(assuming that was even the case) but also the RBs we had. Not too crazy a stretch but the two games he was used way more as a RB Mitchell was either beat up(ribs) or injured early.

We have too much talent where Trey shouldn't have to be the main runner. Even on read options could simply fake it but hand it to the RB/Deebo regardless. It clearly works as we saw in the Seahawks game when Deebo broke one. Gotta protect the QB, risk reward has to be in play.

LMAO I know. I'm waiting for your "what the eff are you talking about" hahaha we are just passionate about the team. I just view it as we want the same thing but both have differing views on certain things, no big deal.

yeah, I think Lance can do very well in short yardage for a first down/touchdown. He has that physicalness to him where he can plow through. I think a big issue with him running is that he's too physical, it's what he's always done. That just doesn't fly in the NFL. I think He needs to get better at protecting himself.

Mitchell has been super unreliable health wise. He's awesome when healthy but it's been rare since his rookie season. He also isn't as versatile as CMC, so I think it limits kyles playcalling when he is in.

i was always surprised how often Trey ran it on play options Vs throwing it. Idk if that is him or the play call, but I felt like he should of passed it more. It became strange where he would pass, because he typically ran it. I've always viewed his running ability to be a threat to open more passing lanes so he could throw it better, but Kyle/Lance seemed to overly rely on his running ability, which I think was a mistake. Treys threat to run should make defenders hesitate, opening passing lanes, but that was never taken advantage of. Maybe it's because he never really got his run game going. It's like the defense didn't believe he would throw it, I'm not sure though.

i really chalk a lot of it up to his inexperience. Trey is super super inexperienced. So it's hard to play fast when you're experiencing things for the first time. I think Brock had that advantage, it's why he has such a smooth transition. Trey really just needs a ton of reps. I've said it before, I think he needs a good 2 seasons of reps before you can see him develop. He belongs in the league but this is a tough situation for him because of the expectations of this team right now.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jul 8, 2023 at 7:41 PM ]
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

He didn't say they're the only two ways to prevent injuries. Those things do prevent injuries. Some happen no matter what, it's unfortunate, but those two things do contribute to a healthier qb. Lol
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

Keep your sarcasm, but there's a reason Brady, Manning, Rothelisberger, Rivers and Brees had such long careers. Here's a hint, it didn't matter how much weights they repped or extreme cross fit drills they did.
No matter what opinion you have on the QB situation, one thing is undeniable; Worst case scenario is giving up on Trey Lance & watching him blossom into what you were drafting for with another franchise. No matter how good you think Brock Purdy is (I'm a big Purdy fan fwiw), this franchise owes it to themselves, to Trey and to the team to figure out how to make sure they know for absolute positive what they have in him BEFORE letting him go to another team.

I also think it would be unwise to rush Brock back week 1. Even if he's "healthy" if he isn't fully prepared, I'd prefer he sit until he has enough practice reps to shake off the rust and be fully ready before playing. It's a long season, we'll likely see both young QBs and maybe even Sam Darnold during the 17 week regular season. My hope is that we find the right answer at QB, no matter who it is I'm just praying that guy is already on the roster.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
At the end of the day teams still wanted Jimmy. Nobody wanted kap.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

He didn't say they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.


Well if you wanna play that game.... I didnt say that he said they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.

He didnt say. He 100% inferred. You were doing good for awhile... dont ruin it.
[ Edited by random49er on Jul 9, 2023 at 2:10 AM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

That's how you prevent injuries!

Throwing the ball from the pocket is how you prevent injuries. Making quick decisions from the pocket prevents injuries.

Yes. I can confirm that these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football. Great job Kolohe. Dropping knowledge today.

He didn't say they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.


Well if you wanna play that game.... I didnt say that he said they're the only two ways to prevent injuries.

He didnt say. He 100% inferred. You were doing good for awhile... dont ruin it.
Lmao yes you did! I quote "these are the only 2 things that prevent QB injuries in football". Why you lying?! lmao

i get the sarcasm and point, but you did say that. Lmao I'm just giving you a hard time.
Originally posted by matt49er:
No matter what opinion you have on the QB situation, one thing is undeniable; Worst case scenario is giving up on Trey Lance & watching him blossom into what you were drafting for with another franchise. No matter how good you think Brock Purdy is (I'm a big Purdy fan fwiw), this franchise owes it to themselves, to Trey and to the team to figure out how to make sure they know for absolute positive what they have in him BEFORE letting him go to another team.

I also think it would be unwise to rush Brock back week 1. Even if he's "healthy" if he isn't fully prepared, I'd prefer he sit until he has enough practice reps to shake off the rust and be fully ready before playing. It's a long season, we'll likely see both young QBs and maybe even Sam Darnold during the 17 week regular season. My hope is that we find the right answer at QB, no matter who it is I'm just praying that guy is already on the roster.

that would be awful. Lmao if we gave up on Lance and he became a star. Lol I view Lance as a dak tyoe player, which is a high end starter, I just don't view him as that burrow/Allen/Herbert caliber - he may be, I just don't see it. I think he def belongs in the league, but has limitations.

im a huge Brock fan and haven't been shy about that, but I agree. I don't want to see him rushed back. I feel like our team has a tendency to do that, which usually ends up playing out poorly for us. If he's ready, he's ready. Otherwise don't play him. I also anticipate his first 1-3 games being average, good games but, nothing spectacular. While he gets his feet under him and comfortable with the Elbow
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by tankle104:

He looks fit, what I wanna see is him able to operate the offense smoothly and efficiently. It's not his fault, but injuries have made it imperative that he takes steps forward this year. His 5th year option is coming up next year, and if he wants to be here, he's going to have to beat out Darnold for qb2 at the minimum. He's going to be making too much to be riding the pine. I am cautiously optimistic that he can do this, time is running out though.

Why the duck do I want my qb doing that. I want a qb not a f**king lb. Give me Brees, Roethlisberger, montana, Fouts, moon. Don't give me ray f**king lewis

Lmao…

Yes this is the only training Trey is doing and no other QB is working on their cardio and agility.

I remember how fans were excited with Kap's physique and workout regimine...

There are literally videos, posts and stories about Lance working with a QB guru and you wanna bring up another lazy Kap comp?

Can't say I'm surprised. Posting as good as your kicking.
I'm just saying what he's doing means nothing like it did for kap.

I'm glad he is working on being a qb. I don't really care for videos where he's trying to out-physique nick bosa.

Lol
Originally posted by matt49er:
No matter what opinion you have on the QB situation, one thing is undeniable; Worst case scenario is giving up on Trey Lance & watching him blossom into what you were drafting for with another franchise. No matter how good you think Brock Purdy is (I'm a big Purdy fan fwiw), this franchise owes it to themselves, to Trey and to the team to figure out how to make sure they know for absolute positive what they have in him BEFORE letting him go to another team.

I also think it would be unwise to rush Brock back week 1. Even if he's "healthy" if he isn't fully prepared, I'd prefer he sit until he has enough practice reps to shake off the rust and be fully ready before playing. It's a long season, we'll likely see both young QBs and maybe even Sam Darnold during the 17 week regular season. My hope is that we find the right answer at QB, no matter who it is I'm just praying that guy is already on the roster.

As to the first bolded, this is the conundrum where Lance is concerned. How exactly are they supposed to "figure" this out without actually giving him game reps that they have pretty much said will be going to Purdy as long as he's healthy? The chatter coming out of the organization seems to be that they were willing to roll with Lance last year so that they could allow him to get those reps and show what he could do and had Jimmy waiting in the wings in case he faltered. But with his injury in the 2nd game of the season, and Brock's subsequent emergence, that dynamic has changed. This is a team that has been to the NFC Championship in three of the past four years. They have some key players who are now another year older and I just don't see a scenario where they would be willing to take a, "we'll see what happens with Lance", approach to this season. It seems to me that ship has sailed and I'm not sure how you can bring it back to port and start over. Just bad luck on Trey's part.

As to Brock needing to "shake the rust off", well he played 48 games in college to Lance's 17. He came in cold against Miami and won that game and the next seven without having gotten anything but back-up reps for the previous ten weeks of the season. So I suspect that a "rusty" Purdy would still be a few steps up on the far more inexperienced Lance. If the recovery timetable holds true, Purdy will be back in mid-August, which will give him three weeks of working with the one's to get his timing down. There remains the legitimate question of whether or not being cleared to play is the same as being ready to play in terms of game conditioning and all that but the reports seem to indicate that he has already been lifting weights and if that's the case it seems like there would be few restrictions on his getting in some of the other kind of workouts he'll need to be ready for the season, though of course anything is possible in regards to what the timetable is for his full recovery.

My biggest concern is still the mental part of his recovery. This is a guy who had apparently never been seriously injured in his career up until the Philly game. One of the hallmarks of his run last season was that he played with a lot of confidence and fearlessness. Nick Mullens, who had a similar injury, said that getting through the mental part was the toughest aspect of his recovery process. Purdy seems like a pretty well-grounded guy, so maybe he will be able to avoid some of those concerns.

As regards Lance getting the time to allow the team to figure out what they have in him, the ONLY way that is going to happen now is if he somehow, flat out wins the starting position through his play in camp and during the preseason. It will be a tough hill to climb and I guess we'll see what happens. Go Niners!
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