Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
How many times do I have to say this? Darnold only played a handful of games with CMC and/or Moore. When he did, he played very well. Anderson had one 1,000 yard season; so you calling him a "1000 yard WR" is absurd. He completely fell off the map after that one year with Teddy. And you can't blame Darnold because Anderson didn't do much with Baker either and basically nothing last year in Arizona.

Handful my ass. Moore played in all 17 games in 21 and left one game in 22. He had a full season worth of starts with both guys.

With Josh freaking McCown and Bryce Petty he had 900 yards. Then Sam takes over in New York and his numbers go down. Then he goes to Carolina and becomes a 1000 yard guy, then Sam comes and his numbers go down. Pretty clear pattern.

Originally posted by MTninerfan:
Man we need football to start. I want to talk football, but I'm tired of all the talking in circles about who should be QB. With our injury luck, we are going to need 2, maybe even 3 guys to step up again, so I hope nobody is getting really attached to 1 guy. I'm really glad Brock stepped up and did so well, and I hope he continues to do so if he can carry us to #6. It really is tough to no get hung up on potential with Trey though. If everything clicked for him and he became Mahomes adjacent that was capable of carrying the offense when things seem to fall apart(ie any playoff exit in recent memory), I know none of you Brock stans would still be standing on the table for Brock. I do understand though that you can't keep hoping things pan out with the depth of our roster right now, so I'm on the Brock train and hope he can get and stay healthy.

Unfortunately this is the sad truth of the matter.

Haven't had a QB play every game since 2019 and that was after Jimmy G came back from tearing his ACL week 3 the year before. I just want us to find our GUY again and have him stay on the field and win us more SBs.

Too much to ask for?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
How many times do I have to say this? Darnold only played a handful of games with CMC and/or Moore. When he did, he played very well. Anderson had one 1,000 yard season; so you calling him a "1000 yard WR" is absurd. He completely fell off the map after that one year with Teddy. And you can't blame Darnold because Anderson didn't do much with Baker either and basically nothing last year in Arizona.

Handful my ass. Moore played in all 17 games in 21 and left one game in 22. He had a full season worth of starts with both guys.

With Josh freaking McCown and Bryce Petty he had 900 yards. Then Sam takes over in New York and his numbers go down. Then he goes to Carolina and becomes a 1000 yard guy, then Sam comes and his numbers go down. Pretty clear pattern.

You responded to my post about this yesterday, so there's no way you missed it.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Darnold is not innocent in this whole thing. At the end of the day, he didn't get it done. It's just difficult to really hold too much of it against him, in my opinion, because he hasn't been put in many situations where it was easy to really determine if he has the proper makings.

for example, If the play caller is predictable and the talent is bad to average - that's a tough position to be in as a Qb. But you're still expected to make stuff work - so he ends up trying to over compensate, forcing balls, etc which is ends up bad. So i look at it as he responded poorly to a poor situation.

does that make sense? It's like he made a bad choice off of someone else's bad choice. It all compounds. So no, darnold isn't innocent but it's also understandable why a young talented QB like him struggled.

i always mention Lawrence cause he's a supreme talent and when he was put out there with bad talent and even worse coaching - he was awful too and made a ton of boneheaded mistakes.

Cmac DJ Moore and Robby Anderson plus a good D isn't bad to average. Obviously Rhule deserves blame too but all his struggles aren't on Rhule. No different than blaming all of Wilson struggles last year on Hackett. Of course the pro Wilson folk are doing that very thing.

To magically think all it will take for Sam is a new environment to suddenly become a legit NFL starter reeks of a narrative. Perhaps in time.

CMC was traded (10-21-22) before Darnold even played last season (11-27-22).

CMC and Darnold were both injured at times and missed multiple game during the 2021 season. They did play 4 games together (with DJ Moore as well), and the Panthers were 3-1 in those games. Darnold's passer rating in those games was 102, 99.1, 95.7, and 26.3 (24-6 loss to the Patriots).

Darnold played in 6 games last season, all games that DJ Moore played in (again, no CMC because he was already traded to the Niners). The Panthers went 4-2 in those games. Darnold had passer ratings of 103.8, 85.4, 108.1, 121.4, 108.1, and 2.8 (he got injured and didn't finish the game).

Robby Anderson? Lol come on now.

2021 Panthers ranked 21st in points allowed, 2022 they ranked 19th in points allowed. 2021 they were very good in yards and yards per play (top 5 in both) but in 2022 they dropped to 22nd/16th in each.

Let's not act like they are anywhere close to the 49ers in terms of offensive weapons, defensive talent/strength, or play calling. But if your argument is that Darnold plays well when he has weapons at RB and WR, we agree.

That is the only "narrative" here. What is yours?

Darnold played 4 games with CMC and Moore, and 6 additional games with Moore only.

I just went and looked for Robbie Anderson as well. He was traded to the Cardinals before Darnold even saw the field last year. They played 12 games together. Which means that Darnold played 10 games with Anderson and Moore. And only 4 games with CMC, Anderson, and Moore. Do any of those numbers of games sound like "a season worth of starts?"

As for Darnold and Anderson, perhaps it's just a chemistry thing. Because DJ Moore had 1193 yards and 4 TD's in 2020 with Teddy and 1157 yards and 4 TD's in 2021 with Darnold (mostly). Your argument is that Darnold sucks and that's why Anderson's numbers went down. Well then why didn't Moore's numbers also go down?

Originally posted by Furlow:
You responded to my post about this yesterday, so there's no way you missed it.

Darnold played 4 games with CMC and Moore, and 6 additional games with Moore only.

I just went and looked for Robbie Anderson as well. He was traded to the Cardinals before Darnold even saw the field last year. They played 12 games together. Which means that Darnold played 10 games with Anderson and Moore. And only 4 games with CMC, Anderson, and Moore. Do any of those numbers of games sound like "a season worth of starts?"

As for Darnold and Anderson, perhaps it's just a chemistry thing. Because DJ Moore had 1193 yards and 4 TD's in 2020 with Teddy and 1157 yards and 4 TD's in 2021 with Darnold (mostly). Your argument is that Darnold sucks and that's why Anderson's numbers went down. Well then why didn't Moore's numbers also go down?

DJ Moore numbers did go down. Look at his ypc and his average with Teddy vs Sam. More big plays with a Pop gun arm than the guy that supposedly is this amazing thrower of the football. Then he can't beat out Baker Mayfield the next year.

Maybe Sam can get better. I don't know. But he hasn't been good and that isn't solely the fault of his cast and coaches. The only people who believe that have a narrative to push.

Originally posted by MTninerfan:
Man we need football to start. I want to talk football, but I'm tired of all the talking in circles about who should be QB.

Silly stuff. The coaches got this one. Give me 4 or 5 games before I care about any of this mess.

I mean in years past, we had tape on guys. Now it's 2 guys with limited tape (1 much more limited than the other),....and the coaches are going to do what they feel is best, and we'll see how it goes.

What is the back and forth about?

Guys are here telling us Kyle doesn't get all of his draft picks perfect. Okay,...and what about it, Captain Hindsight? lol

It's getting ridiculous. Since we don't have very much intel either way, can we just talk about the players for now?

Originally posted by 9erson3:
It is impossible despite any argument presented to know what Trey is. Yeah, I get the he has gotten injured when it was his time to go but that is a fluke. I'm on the Purdy train, ir took me a couple of months to get there but he is in the same boat. He has had an awesome start but that needs to be sustained for an entire year and deep into playoffs. Hell, probably two years.

Trey is coming up a different way. He didn't have all the college games on his resume. It does not mean that with long term play, like a year, that he could match or exceed Brock.

I think it's a bit of a crappy situation honestly, you can only know what you have by playing. You can't play both at once. I hope Brock is the next 49er QB God. It's been a hell of a long time and we are ready to get off this carousel, but my fear is Trey sits again, gets frustrated and demands trade or it's mutual and he lands somewhere and turns out to be a total stud after one to two years play. I get that you can't make decisions based on what if but Kyle really better know what he is doing here. Glad I'm not the one making that decision.

Trey is STILL a good guy and would be a valued member on any team.

Absolutely agree. It's a huge decision to commit to one guy you hope is the next franchise guy, but they each have their own pros and cons. It's really a safe floor vs protentional. Most want the safe floor guy because our team is stacked and should be competing if poor QB play doesn't submarine everything, but if you hit on the potential of a guy with Trey's ability, he can carry the team for years regardless of roster turnover. Tough to commit one way or the other because if it doesn't work out, and the other guy goes somewhere else and is more successful, people will be calling for your head. Maybe it's just me, but I'd be way more pissed off if Trey went somewhere else and succeeded than if Brock did, strictly because like I said above, if he hits he can carry a team.

Originally posted by Furlow:
How many times do I have to say this? Darnold only played a handful of games with CMC and/or Moore. When he did, he played very well. Anderson had one 1,000 yard season; so you calling him a "1000 yard WR" is absurd. He completely fell off the map after that one year with Teddy. And you can't blame Darnold because Anderson didn't do much with Baker either and basically nothing last year in Arizona.

Mind if I use this in the Darnold thread?

With the way he is making waves, his thread could sure use the love.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You responded to my post about this yesterday, so there's no way you missed it.

Darnold played 4 games with CMC and Moore, and 6 additional games with Moore only.

I just went and looked for Robbie Anderson as well. He was traded to the Cardinals before Darnold even saw the field last year. They played 12 games together. Which means that Darnold played 10 games with Anderson and Moore. And only 4 games with CMC, Anderson, and Moore. Do any of those numbers of games sound like "a season worth of starts?"

As for Darnold and Anderson, perhaps it's just a chemistry thing. Because DJ Moore had 1193 yards and 4 TD's in 2020 with Teddy and 1157 yards and 4 TD's in 2021 with Darnold (mostly). Your argument is that Darnold sucks and that's why Anderson's numbers went down. Well then why didn't Moore's numbers also go down?

DJ Moore numbers did go down. Look at his ypc and his average with Teddy vs Sam. More big plays with a Pop gun arm than the guy that supposedly is this amazing thrower of the football. Then he can't beat out Baker Mayfield the next year.

Maybe Sam can get better. I don't know. But he hasn't been good and that isn't solely the fault of his cast and coaches. The only people who believe that have a narrative to push.

You keep saying this yet refuse to actually answer the question. What narrative? I don't expect you to answer by the way, I know you're just trolling. I mean you actually just said Moore's numbers went down and then referenced his YPC lol. You pivot and change your argument faster than Trey bails out of the pocket with pressure.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
How many times do I have to say this? Darnold only played a handful of games with CMC and/or Moore. When he did, he played very well. Anderson had one 1,000 yard season; so you calling him a "1000 yard WR" is absurd. He completely fell off the map after that one year with Teddy. And you can't blame Darnold because Anderson didn't do much with Baker either and basically nothing last year in Arizona.

Mind if I use this in the Darnold thread?

With the way he is making waves, his thread could sure use the love.

Originally posted by Furlow:
You keep saying this yet refuse to actually answer the question. What narrative? I don't expect you to answer by the way, I know you're just trolling. I mean you actually just said Moore's numbers went down and then referenced his YPC lol. You pivot and change your argument faster than Trey bails out of the pocket with pressure.

It seems like that when you aren't able to understand basic math.

An 18.1 yard average on 66 catches is better than a 12.4 yard average on 93 catches. More yards too. Simple

You just betrayed the narrative with your last sentence. Ironic given the guy you are talking up to boot.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You keep saying this yet refuse to actually answer the question. What narrative? I don't expect you to answer by the way, I know you're just trolling. I mean you actually just said Moore's numbers went down and then referenced his YPC lol. You pivot and change your argument faster than Trey bails out of the pocket with pressure.

It seems like that when you aren't able to understand basic math.

An 18.1 yard average on 66 catches is better than a 12.4 yard average on 93 catches. More yards too. Simple

You just betrayed the narrative with your last sentence. Ironic given the guy you are talking up to boot.

Dude it was joke, relax. Lol. You do change your argument basically with every post though. "More yards"

Originally posted by Furlow:
Dude it was joke, relax. Lol. You do change your argument basically with every post though. "More yards"

Only to someone who can't comprehend. Stick to bashing transgender people. That's your level.

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
It is impossible despite any argument presented to know what Trey is. Yeah, I get the he has gotten injured when it was his time to go but that is a fluke. I'm on the Purdy train, ir took me a couple of months to get there but he is in the same boat. He has had an awesome start but that needs to be sustained for an entire year and deep into playoffs. Hell, probably two years.

Trey is coming up a different way. He didn't have all the college games on his resume. It does not mean that with long term play, like a year, that he could match or exceed Brock.

I think it's a bit of a crappy situation honestly, you can only know what you have by playing. You can't play both at once. I hope Brock is the next 49er QB God. It's been a hell of a long time and we are ready to get off this carousel, but my fear is Trey sits again, gets frustrated and demands trade or it's mutual and he lands somewhere and turns out to be a total stud after one to two years play. I get that you can't make decisions based on what if but Kyle really better know what he is doing here. Glad I'm not the one making that decision.

Trey is STILL a good guy and would be a valued member on any team.

Absolutely agree. It's a huge decision to commit to one guy you hope is the next franchise guy, but they each have their own pros and cons. It's really a safe floor vs protentional. Most want the safe floor guy because our team is stacked and should be competing if poor QB play doesn't submarine everything, but if you hit on the potential of a guy with Trey's ability, he can carry the team for years regardless of roster turnover. Tough to commit one way or the other because if it doesn't work out, and the other guy goes somewhere else and is more successful, people will be calling for your head. Maybe it's just me, but I'd be way more pissed off if Trey went somewhere else and succeeded than if Brock did, strictly because like I said above, if he hits he can carry a team.

Yeah I just don't see Brock as "safe" and I don't see Lance as this supreme talent. I think Brock is the one with much more potential and Lance as a Dak type player. I've never understood why people think he has so much potential. I've watched all his college and pro tape, I come away very uninspired. It's very average to me. Nothing sticks out to where I'm like "man he can be the next great one". People have different opinions, I respect that, I just don't get it.

it is a big commitment and the good news is that we don't have to make a firm decision for a couple years, if we don't want to. Brock is under contract for 3 more seasons and Lance for at least 2 more seasons. So you don't have to move off if either - you can play Brock and see how he does. If he isn't what some of us think, you can go back to Lance and still have a lot of time to figure him out.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
It is impossible despite any argument presented to know what Trey is. Yeah, I get the he has gotten injured when it was his time to go but that is a fluke. I'm on the Purdy train, ir took me a couple of months to get there but he is in the same boat. He has had an awesome start but that needs to be sustained for an entire year and deep into playoffs. Hell, probably two years.

Trey is coming up a different way. He didn't have all the college games on his resume. It does not mean that with long term play, like a year, that he could match or exceed Brock.

I think it's a bit of a crappy situation honestly, you can only know what you have by playing. You can't play both at once. I hope Brock is the next 49er QB God. It's been a hell of a long time and we are ready to get off this carousel, but my fear is Trey sits again, gets frustrated and demands trade or it's mutual and he lands somewhere and turns out to be a total stud after one to two years play. I get that you can't make decisions based on what if but Kyle really better know what he is doing here. Glad I'm not the one making that decision.

Trey is STILL a good guy and would be a valued member on any team.

I think he has the ability to be another Steve Young, or maybe Steve Bono, or maybe Steve-O.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
It is impossible despite any argument presented to know what Trey is. Yeah, I get the he has gotten injured when it was his time to go but that is a fluke. I'm on the Purdy train, ir took me a couple of months to get there but he is in the same boat. He has had an awesome start but that needs to be sustained for an entire year and deep into playoffs. Hell, probably two years.

Trey is coming up a different way. He didn't have all the college games on his resume. It does not mean that with long term play, like a year, that he could match or exceed Brock.

I think it's a bit of a crappy situation honestly, you can only know what you have by playing. You can't play both at once. I hope Brock is the next 49er QB God. It's been a hell of a long time and we are ready to get off this carousel, but my fear is Trey sits again, gets frustrated and demands trade or it's mutual and he lands somewhere and turns out to be a total stud after one to two years play. I get that you can't make decisions based on what if but Kyle really better know what he is doing here. Glad I'm not the one making that decision.

Trey is STILL a good guy and would be a valued member on any team.

Absolutely agree. It's a huge decision to commit to one guy you hope is the next franchise guy, but they each have their own pros and cons. It's really a safe floor vs protentional. Most want the safe floor guy because our team is stacked and should be competing if poor QB play doesn't submarine everything, but if you hit on the potential of a guy with Trey's ability, he can carry the team for years regardless of roster turnover. Tough to commit one way or the other because if it doesn't work out, and the other guy goes somewhere else and is more successful, people will be calling for your head. Maybe it's just me, but I'd be way more pissed off if Trey went somewhere else and succeeded than if Brock did, strictly because like I said above, if he hits he can carry a team.

Yeah I just don't see Brock as "safe" and I don't see Lance as this supreme talent. I think Brock is the one with much more potential and Lance as a Dak type player. I've never understood why people think he has so much potential. I've watched all his college and pro tape, I come away very uninspired. It's very average to me. Nothing sticks out to where I'm like "man he can be the next great one". People have different opinions, I respect that, I just don't get it.

it is a big commitment and the good news is that we don't have to make a firm decision for a couple years, if we don't want to. Brock is under contract for 3 more seasons and Lance for at least 2 more seasons. So you don't have to move off if either - you can play Brock and see how he does. If he isn't what some of us think, you can go back to Lance and still have a lot of time to figure him out.

I think they have to make a decision on his 5th year option this year so if they don't pick it up, he will most likely see that as a sign they don't think he's the guy and will try to force his way to somewhere he can play.