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Originally posted by Furlow:
Here you go not quoting yourself again. I wonder why?
48.5 is only "slightly better" than 34.9 and 39.0? With lesser weapons and not as good of a defense?
Talk about a NARRATIVE.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Don't listen to that nonsense, QBR is whack. It heavily weights running which obviously favors running QB's. Who the hell wants their QB running up and down the field? It's been proven to not be sustainable whatsoever, and poorly correlates to winning football games. QB rating isn't a whole lot better, but it's MUCH better at assessing how well a QB is passing, because it only takes into account passing. The calculation method is also available for anyone to see; whereas ESPN hides it's method for QBR.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
For a 5th year guy compared to a rookie/2nd year guy in 4 games? Yah that's pretty damn slight.
Bridgewater with that same weak group of 2 1000 yard receivers in 2020 put up 56.8
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
There's probably a lot of people who would rather have Bridgewater than Darnold, especially for a brief appearance.
Darnold is more talented. Anything beyond that isn't supportable in evidence.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Teddy is one hell of a dynamic runner afterall.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Montana and the NIners really turned it around when Walsh had probably the greatest DB draft in history. The 3 rookies along with a young Dwight Hicks terrorized the league. Thebn they added Fred Dean and the D became awesome. Even Momtana admitted that the offense wasn't that great that year. Bradsy's experiences were similar. The Pats D was what propelled them in those early years.
As far as I know Darnold didn't play with a team that had a great defense or great coaches. Purdy looked really good last year but you can't seriously think he would have won 7 straight with the Jets teams that Darnold played on. He may be damaged goods at this point but they aren't paying him much so he's worth a look.
The bolded is spot on. Brady had 1 td his entire postseason run and missed a game during the Pats first Super Bowl season. The Pats were a run first team for the next two Super Bowls and the team was anchored by a dominant defense. Montana's Niners had a top tier defense in every one of the Super Bowl wins.
Originally posted by genus49:
Who cares? How he did it? Brady clearly showed Belichick he should be QB1 and the guy he replaced was only the 2nd QB behind Favre to get 100 mil contract at the time. Clearly he showed Belichick something worth making that move.
0-2 with Bledsoe as the QB to a SB win vs the heavy favorite Rams. We all know the story, pretending Brady didn't show he was special right away is major mental gymnastics.
And nobody said Darnold should've taken the Jets/Panthers to the SB but that he would've shown a lot more than he did if he was as special as some claim. The great ones do that. Joe and Tom showed that even back in college btw.
When it comes to Darnold it's like all his bad is just brushed aside and Kyle will fix everything.
When it comes to Trey any good he showed us brushed aside and Kyle is out on him and can't help the guy anymore.
Makes total sense…
Originally posted by Furlow:Lmao…I hope you stretched before this heavy lifting excuse session.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Darnold is not innocent in this whole thing. At the end of the day, he didn't get it done. It's just difficult to really hold too much of it against him, in my opinion, because he hasn't been put in many situations where it was easy to really determine if he has the proper makings.
for example, If the play caller is predictable and the talent is bad to average - that's a tough position to be in as a Qb. But you're still expected to make stuff work - so he ends up trying to over compensate, forcing balls, etc which is ends up bad. So i look at it as he responded poorly to a poor situation.
does that make sense? It's like he made a bad choice off of someone else's bad choice. It all compounds. So no, darnold isn't innocent but it's also understandable why a young talented QB like him struggled.
i always mention Lawrence cause he's a supreme talent and when he was put out there with bad talent and even worse coaching - he was awful too and made a ton of boneheaded mistakes.
Cmac DJ Moore and Robby Anderson plus a good D isn't bad to average. Obviously Rhule deserves blame too but all his struggles aren't on Rhule. No different than blaming all of Wilson struggles last year on Hackett. Of course the pro Wilson folk are doing that very thing.
To magically think all it will take for Sam is a new environment to suddenly become a legit NFL starter reeks of a narrative. Perhaps in time.
CMC was traded (10-21-22) before Darnold even played last season (11-27-22).
CMC and Darnold were both injured at times and missed multiple game during the 2021 season. They did play 4 games together (with DJ Moore as well), and the Panthers were 3-1 in those games. Darnold's passer rating in those games was 102, 99.1, 95.7, and 26.3 (24-6 loss to the Patriots).
Darnold played in 6 games last season, all games that DJ Moore played in (again, no CMC because he was already traded to the Niners). The Panthers went 4-2 in those games. Darnold had passer ratings of 103.8, 85.4, 108.1, 121.4, 108.1, and 2.8 (he got injured and didn't finish the game).
Robby Anderson? Lol come on now.
2021 Panthers ranked 21st in points allowed, 2022 they ranked 19th in points allowed. 2021 they were very good in yards and yards per play (top 5 in both) but in 2022 they dropped to 22nd/16th in each.
Let's not act like they are anywhere close to the 49ers in terms of offensive weapons, defensive talent/strength, or play calling. But if your argument is that Darnold plays well when he has weapons at RB and WR, we agree.
That is the only "narrative" here. What is yours?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I really don't know the answer - which quarterback rating system is better?
ESPN QBR or NFL's?
QBR > Qb rating.
Not to say QBR doesn't have flaws because it does. It's just a better metric.
It's Batting average vs WAR in baseball.
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Lol
Yards???
who gives a s**t. That won't win games.
Let me see if I can understand this thread.
Some people thinks lance has sucked, some people thinks lance has looked good.
Some people can't handle either viewpoint.
Oh and a few are still whining and crying like 8th grade girls over jimmy playing here.
Pretty much sums it up.
Oh f**k off I ain't whining or crying about Jimmy playing here I'm just defending Lance from so much criticism that Jimmy got a pass for for years when he was playing here. And yeah yards don't win games alone I've just been saying that Lance hasn't looked terrible. Does he need to score more points in games? Of course he does but the eye test shows that he hasn't played terribly. And if you think so then you need your eyes checked. He's not out there playing like Zach Wilson. The only time you could make a case in that he played poorly would be in the Seattle game his rookie year where he looked real shaky.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by genus49:
Who cares? How he did it? Brady clearly showed Belichick he should be QB1 and the guy he replaced was only the 2nd QB behind Favre to get 100 mil contract at the time. Clearly he showed Belichick something worth making that move.
0-2 with Bledsoe as the QB to a SB win vs the heavy favorite Rams. We all know the story, pretending Brady didn't show he was special right away is major mental gymnastics.
And nobody said Darnold should've taken the Jets/Panthers to the SB but that he would've shown a lot more than he did if he was as special as some claim. The great ones do that. Joe and Tom showed that even back in college btw.
When it comes to Darnold it's like all his bad is just brushed aside and Kyle will fix everything.
When it comes to Trey any good he showed us brushed aside and Kyle is out on him and can't help the guy anymore.
Makes total sense…
Can you point to where I said Brady didn't show something special?
Try to understand these were responses to what you said. Things like Tom Brady broke out without top talent around him. That's not what actually happened at least in the way regular football fans would describe it. The Patriots offense wasn't special in any way shape or form, especially that first run. The run game was featured in 03 and 04 when they acquired Corey Dillon. Their defense was dominant.
Tom Brady didn't have an actual break out statistical season until 07 when he was surrounded with elite talent. Went from dudes like Reche Caldwell to Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth.
That doesn't mean he didn't show something special. He did.
Originally posted by genus49:
You responded to my post originally no? Well my point was that the guys who are special show something regardless of whether they go to a stacked team or not.
Brady 100% did that. When Troy Brown is your WR1, you're not going to be airing the ball out and winning games. Yet quickly he showed Belichick and the team he's got what it takes to replace a pro bowl/superstar QB like Drew Bledsoe. Btw Brady led the NFL in TDs in his 2nd season so let's not act like he was just a game manager who took his time to break out. The Pats didn't really give him serious weapons until they lost in Indy with Reche Caldwell as their top guy. Ironically while they had their high powered offense with Moss/Welker they didn't win a ring.
So back to my original point, I'm not expecting Darnold to take those teams to the SB but if he's as special as people claim I'd expect better than what he put on tape.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by genus49:
You responded to my post originally no? Well my point was that the guys who are special show something regardless of whether they go to a stacked team or not.
Brady 100% did that. When Troy Brown is your WR1, you're not going to be airing the ball out and winning games. Yet quickly he showed Belichick and the team he's got what it takes to replace a pro bowl/superstar QB like Drew Bledsoe. Btw Brady led the NFL in TDs in his 2nd season so let's not act like he was just a game manager who took his time to break out. The Pats didn't really give him serious weapons until they lost in Indy with Reche Caldwell as their top guy. Ironically while they had their high powered offense with Moss/Welker they didn't win a ring.
So back to my original point, I'm not expecting Darnold to take those teams to the SB but if he's as special as people claim I'd expect better than what he put on tape.
He was 100 percent a game manager. He made plays when his team needed him to, and the passing offense was not the strength of the team, or even the offense overall.
This is going to sound dickish, but I wonder how old you were then.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by genus49:
You responded to my post originally no? Well my point was that the guys who are special show something regardless of whether they go to a stacked team or not.
Brady 100% did that. When Troy Brown is your WR1, you're not going to be airing the ball out and winning games. Yet quickly he showed Belichick and the team he's got what it takes to replace a pro bowl/superstar QB like Drew Bledsoe. Btw Brady led the NFL in TDs in his 2nd season so let's not act like he was just a game manager who took his time to break out. The Pats didn't really give him serious weapons until they lost in Indy with Reche Caldwell as their top guy. Ironically while they had their high powered offense with Moss/Welker they didn't win a ring.
So back to my original point, I'm not expecting Darnold to take those teams to the SB but if he's as special as people claim I'd expect better than what he put on tape.
He was 100 percent a game manager. He made plays when his team needed him to, and the passing offense was not the strength of the team, or even the offense overall.
This is going to sound dickish, but I wonder how old you were then.
Originally posted by genus49:
I'm 41 and live in Boston, I'm used to dickish so dick away. He played like a game manager because they didn't have a passing game worth a lick and knew their strength was the run game and defense. It changes nothing else about how he showed his talent early on a roster which until they won the SB was laughed at.
The fact that he led the league in TDs the next season shows it wasn't a talent issue with him. You're trying to move the goalposts but it's not gonna fly.