Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If it comes down to just running the offense and not doing anything stupid, give me Trey over Darnold 100/100 times.

Exactly. All the Darnold takes are crazy to me. More experience doesn't automatically make Darnold better when he's shown to put some awful games out there - games that can doom a great team.

Lance's mistakes haven't been of that variety. He also knows the offense better. What good is experience when the guy who has it, has it in another offense and still makes bonehead errors with all that experience?

I am curious to see how training camp unfolds though. Darnold definitely does better when he knows he can't get hit though so that is a plus for him. We'll see how Trey looks with the work he's put through.

Should be an interesting camp to follow for sure. Can't wait...

At the end of the day, Sam has made too many horrendous mistakes while under no pressure for me to be on his hype train. Not saying he's peaked, but just because he's been in the NFL longer doesn't mean he'd be better.

If anything, Lance has seen first hand from Purdy how all you need to do is trust the system and then let your athletic instincts do the rest if things break down. In the small action he had, he never looked panicked to me. The issues we saw were more being off the mark on some throws and being late sometimes due to his inexperience -- something even Brock did at times.

Darnold's habit of forcing things that aren't there, or holding it too long and getting stripped I think would drive Shanahan insane.

Both Lance and Darnold have been disappointing for different reasons. Lance because injuries have kept him from getting the reps he needs to get better. Darnold because he's played for 2 teams with poor talent around him and bad coaches. Lack of a supporting cast and poor coaching has destroyed more than one promising QB. Some are able to improve if they move on and get in the right situation but some never do. Once they lose that confidence and get beat up a little they never recover.

Once again...why are we excusing Darnold so much?

Yes Shanahan is obviously much better offensive mind than anyone Darnold played with but scheme doesn't help pocket presence, decision making and ability to see the field. Kyle can make things easier but he can't work miracles. Same thing when people were blaming Shanahan for Matt Ryan coughing up the ball in the SB loss to the Pats - guaranteed Tom Brady doesn't do the same thing with the same playcalls.

I'm also pretty confident that if the playcalling was similar to what Trey saw in the Arizona and Chicago games that Darnold wouldn't do any better.

It's not an excuse when you're stuck with a bad team and bad coaches. Darnold was just like so many of the QBs getting drafted high these days. One or 2 years experience and they get drafted on potential. Most of them need good coaching and most go to bad teams that don't have a lot of talent. Look at how many of these guys that get drafted in the top 10 end up as failures.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana wouldn't have been near as good if they had gone to some crappy team like the Jets or the Lions. I'm talking about 2 of the best ever. Those teams have been losers no matter who was the QB. Darnold isn't in their category but he may have been much better at this point if he had ther coaches and supporting cast.

Hilarious that you bring up Brady going to the Pats and Montana going to the 49ers.

Do you need a reminder of the records the Pats/49ers had when those guys were drafted?

Pats were 5-11 the season Brady sat on the bench. They started their SB season 0-2 before Brady took over and let them to the SB win #1.
49ers were 2-14 Montana's rookie season, 6-10 next season.

Do you want to look at the talent each QB had when they broke out? The top guys shine regardless and make teams better.

Dwight Clark was a 10th round rookie before Montana turned him into a legend.
Troy Brown was an 8th round pick who didn't start a game until year 5 and didn't touch 1k yards until 2001

Yes the coaches Darnold had don't come close to Walsh/Belichick(few do) but Brady and Joe started their careers on bad teams and without top tier talent to throw to and it didn't stop them.

Darnold had played with some talented players. Just because his offense wasn't as stacked as our current roster doesn't mean he was out there with garbage.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To me development is the job of the player. It's not a function of the team. The team's job, is to win games. It's TLs job to show he has a role to play in that.

I would grade our coaching staff, and offensive talent, as probably #1 in the NFL. In that sense, there is no better environment, to grow and figure it out, as a QB imo.

Except in Sam Darnolds case of course. Then his development, or lack thereof, is all a function of the team.

This is exactly what Steve is talking about.

I don't agree all the Development is on the player or the team, it's a combination.

lances body has failed him here, the team has everything else he could need/want.

darnolds teams failed to provide him with adequate coaching/play calling/talent.

You need health and proper support from the organization to really develop, IMO. Really hard to get better or succeed when you are missing those things

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't agree all the Development is on the player or the team, it's a combination.

lances body has failed him here, the team has everything else he could need/want.

darnolds teams failed to provide him with adequate coaching/play calling/talent.

You need health and proper support from the organization to really develop, IMO. Really hard to get better or succeed when you are missing those things

I would agree with that.

But with Darnold all his struggles are being pinned on the teams. As if the dude wasn't throwing picks or having issues with pocket presence in college. Also ignore all his fumbles because they don't fit in with the narrative of he's vastly improved.

Reality is both Trey and Sam need time to improve to be starting qbs. Trey needs reps. Sam needs to be broken down and built back up like Steve was. To win the SB THIS year it will all fall on how good Purdy can be as the other two won't likely be capable.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To me development is the job of the player. It's not a function of the team. The team's job, is to win games. It's TLs job to show he has a role to play in that.

I would grade our coaching staff, and offensive talent, as probably #1 in the NFL. In that sense, there is no better environment, to grow and figure it out, as a QB imo.

Except in Sam Darnolds case of course. Then his development, or lack thereof, is all a function of the team.

This is exactly what Steve is talking about.

4eva, this post is terrible. you merely respond to all my posts, with some disingenuous Darnold nonsense. It is tiring.

With Darnold, it's not a question of development. It's his supporting cast, coaching, etc. I don't feel he needs much development. He has nearly as many starts as JG. He just needs an OL and receivers and some good play calls.

If Darnold was drafted into this org and struggled like he did in NYJ then yeah there wouldn't be as much optimism that he could turn it around, why would there be? I would probably say well it's on him, cuz the opportunity in SF was there for the taking. We have it good. If Darnold can't hack it here in SF, he probably should be a career backup, or a USFL starter.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
4eva, this post is terrible. you merely respond to all my posts, with some disingenuous Darnold nonsense. It is tiring.

With Darnold, it's not a question of development. It's his supporting cast, coaching, etc. I don't feel he needs much development. He has nearly as many starts as JG. He just needs an OL and receivers and some good play calls.

If Darnold was drafted into this org and struggled like he did in NYJ then yeah there wouldn't be as much optimism that he could turn it around, why would there be? I would probably say well it's on him, cuz the opportunity in SF was there for the taking. We have it good. If Darnold can't hack it here in SF, he probably should be a career backup, or a USFL starter.

You being exactly what Steve was talking about a few pages back is equally tiring. Have some consistent standards for players that doesn't just change on a whim.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If it comes down to just running the offense and not doing anything stupid, give me Trey over Darnold 100/100 times.

Exactly. All the Darnold takes are crazy to me. More experience doesn't automatically make Darnold better when he's shown to put some awful games out there - games that can doom a great team.

Lance's mistakes haven't been of that variety. He also knows the offense better. What good is experience when the guy who has it, has it in another offense and still makes bonehead errors with all that experience?

I am curious to see how training camp unfolds though. Darnold definitely does better when he knows he can't get hit though so that is a plus for him. We'll see how Trey looks with the work he's put through.

Should be an interesting camp to follow for sure. Can't wait...

At the end of the day, Sam has made too many horrendous mistakes while under no pressure for me to be on his hype train. Not saying he's peaked, but just because he's been in the NFL longer doesn't mean he'd be better.

If anything, Lance has seen first hand from Purdy how all you need to do is trust the system and then let your athletic instincts do the rest if things break down. In the small action he had, he never looked panicked to me. The issues we saw were more being off the mark on some throws and being late sometimes due to his inexperience -- something even Brock did at times.

Darnold's habit of forcing things that aren't there, or holding it too long and getting stripped I think would drive Shanahan insane.

Both Lance and Darnold have been disappointing for different reasons. Lance because injuries have kept him from getting the reps he needs to get better. Darnold because he's played for 2 teams with poor talent around him and bad coaches. Lack of a supporting cast and poor coaching has destroyed more than one promising QB. Some are able to improve if they move on and get in the right situation but some never do. Once they lose that confidence and get beat up a little they never recover.

Once again...why are we excusing Darnold so much?

Yes Shanahan is obviously much better offensive mind than anyone Darnold played with but scheme doesn't help pocket presence, decision making and ability to see the field. Kyle can make things easier but he can't work miracles. Same thing when people were blaming Shanahan for Matt Ryan coughing up the ball in the SB loss to the Pats - guaranteed Tom Brady doesn't do the same thing with the same playcalls.

I'm also pretty confident that if the playcalling was similar to what Trey saw in the Arizona and Chicago games that Darnold wouldn't do any better.

It's not an excuse when you're stuck with a bad team and bad coaches. Darnold was just like so many of the QBs getting drafted high these days. One or 2 years experience and they get drafted on potential. Most of them need good coaching and most go to bad teams that don't have a lot of talent. Look at how many of these guys that get drafted in the top 10 end up as failures.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana wouldn't have been near as good if they had gone to some crappy team like the Jets or the Lions. I'm talking about 2 of the best ever. Those teams have been losers no matter who was the QB. Darnold isn't in their category but he may have been much better at this point if he had ther coaches and supporting cast.

Hilarious that you bring up Brady going to the Pats and Montana going to the 49ers.

Do you need a reminder of the records the Pats/49ers had when those guys were drafted?

Pats were 5-11 the season Brady sat on the bench. They started their SB season 0-2 before Brady took over and let them to the SB win #1.
49ers were 2-14 Montana's rookie season, 6-10 next season.

Do you want to look at the talent each QB had when they broke out? The top guys shine regardless and make teams better.

Dwight Clark was a 10th round rookie before Montana turned him into a legend.
Troy Brown was an 8th round pick who didn't start a game until year 5 and didn't touch 1k yards until 2001

Yes the coaches Darnold had don't come close to Walsh/Belichick(few do) but Brady and Joe started their careers on bad teams and without top tier talent to throw to and it didn't stop them.

Darnold had played with some talented players. Just because his offense wasn't as stacked as our current roster doesn't mean he was out there with garbage.

Montana and the NIners really turned it around when Walsh had probably the greatest DB draft in history. The 3 rookies along with a young Dwight Hicks terrorized the league. Thebn they added Fred Dean and the D became awesome. Even Momtana admitted that the offense wasn't that great that year. Bradsy's experiences were similar. The Pats D was what propelled them in those early years.

As far as I know Darnold didn't play with a team that had a great defense or great coaches. Purdy looked really good last year but you can't seriously think he would have won 7 straight with the Jets teams that Darnold played on. He may be damaged goods at this point but they aren't paying him much so he's worth a look.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd 1000% rather see Lance run the same offense Purdy & Jimmy ran. I think all that running with a QB is dumb. Mainly because it puts them at risk of unnecessarily injuring the QB (most important player on the field).

i never want to see a designed run by Lance again. Lol I want to see him pass first and if the play breaks down, he books it then. I think he has a great skill set for that and would do that better than most QBs can.

the point of me posting that video was because it was our HC specifically talking about that stuff and how he does it. I'm not saying Lance can't run the same Style offense as Purdy, of course he can. Anyone can run any system, just begs the question can they do it well?

i think Lance would struggle a lot cause of his accuracy concerns (hopefully improved this off season). I don't really talk about him running that offense because his play calls were vastly different than what Kyle usually calls. So the natural conclusion is that Kyle thinks Lance is best suited for that kind of offense, which means he designs it differently because of his skill set.

i don't want Lance running the ball the way he has. I hate it and think it's a waste. If a QB has to rely on their legs to open up their passing lanes, then I don't think they should be playing QB. I'd much much rather see Lance drop back 98% of the time and run in very unique situations.

I understand what you were trying to insinuate with the video, I just don't agree with the take because of the timing and situations as well as the simple fact that RG3 and Lance are different players. Seems like an easy comp to say well they're both running QBs but they come from very different offenses in college.

RG3 came from a spread offense that was why the Shanahan's had to adjust their offense to fit what he did well and simplify things for him. Lance came from a pro style offense and by all accounts had it mastered as an 18 year old and was teaching concepts to upper classmen before even getting the starting job.

That is why i don't think the video applies to Trey. Flave is too stupid to understand the differences of the mental side of the game and what RG3 played with vs what Lance is being asked to do. The running part of it is easy to put in or take out. But you can't have your offense run the spread variation for one QB if he isn't your starter and pro style for the other guys.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If it comes down to just running the offense and not doing anything stupid, give me Trey over Darnold 100/100 times.

Exactly. All the Darnold takes are crazy to me. More experience doesn't automatically make Darnold better when he's shown to put some awful games out there - games that can doom a great team.

Lance's mistakes haven't been of that variety. He also knows the offense better. What good is experience when the guy who has it, has it in another offense and still makes bonehead errors with all that experience?

I am curious to see how training camp unfolds though. Darnold definitely does better when he knows he can't get hit though so that is a plus for him. We'll see how Trey looks with the work he's put through.

Should be an interesting camp to follow for sure. Can't wait...

At the end of the day, Sam has made too many horrendous mistakes while under no pressure for me to be on his hype train. Not saying he's peaked, but just because he's been in the NFL longer doesn't mean he'd be better.

If anything, Lance has seen first hand from Purdy how all you need to do is trust the system and then let your athletic instincts do the rest if things break down. In the small action he had, he never looked panicked to me. The issues we saw were more being off the mark on some throws and being late sometimes due to his inexperience -- something even Brock did at times.

Darnold's habit of forcing things that aren't there, or holding it too long and getting stripped I think would drive Shanahan insane.

Both Lance and Darnold have been disappointing for different reasons. Lance because injuries have kept him from getting the reps he needs to get better. Darnold because he's played for 2 teams with poor talent around him and bad coaches. Lack of a supporting cast and poor coaching has destroyed more than one promising QB. Some are able to improve if they move on and get in the right situation but some never do. Once they lose that confidence and get beat up a little they never recover.

Once again...why are we excusing Darnold so much?

Yes Shanahan is obviously much better offensive mind than anyone Darnold played with but scheme doesn't help pocket presence, decision making and ability to see the field. Kyle can make things easier but he can't work miracles. Same thing when people were blaming Shanahan for Matt Ryan coughing up the ball in the SB loss to the Pats - guaranteed Tom Brady doesn't do the same thing with the same playcalls.

I'm also pretty confident that if the playcalling was similar to what Trey saw in the Arizona and Chicago games that Darnold wouldn't do any better.

It's not an excuse when you're stuck with a bad team and bad coaches. Darnold was just like so many of the QBs getting drafted high these days. One or 2 years experience and they get drafted on potential. Most of them need good coaching and most go to bad teams that don't have a lot of talent. Look at how many of these guys that get drafted in the top 10 end up as failures.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana wouldn't have been near as good if they had gone to some crappy team like the Jets or the Lions. I'm talking about 2 of the best ever. Those teams have been losers no matter who was the QB. Darnold isn't in their category but he may have been much better at this point if he had ther coaches and supporting cast.

Hilarious that you bring up Brady going to the Pats and Montana going to the 49ers.

Do you need a reminder of the records the Pats/49ers had when those guys were drafted?

Pats were 5-11 the season Brady sat on the bench. They started their SB season 0-2 before Brady took over and let them to the SB win #1.
49ers were 2-14 Montana's rookie season, 6-10 next season.

Do you want to look at the talent each QB had when they broke out? The top guys shine regardless and make teams better.

Dwight Clark was a 10th round rookie before Montana turned him into a legend.
Troy Brown was an 8th round pick who didn't start a game until year 5 and didn't touch 1k yards until 2001

Yes the coaches Darnold had don't come close to Walsh/Belichick(few do) but Brady and Joe started their careers on bad teams and without top tier talent to throw to and it didn't stop them.

Darnold had played with some talented players. Just because his offense wasn't as stacked as our current roster doesn't mean he was out there with garbage.

Montana and the NIners really turned it around when Walsh had probably the greatest DB draft in history. The 3 rookies along with a young Dwight Hicks terrorized the league. Thebn they added Fred Dean and the D became awesome. Even Momtana admitted that the offense wasn't that great that year. Bradsy's experiences were similar. The Pats D was what propelled them in those early years.

As far as I know Darnold didn't play with a team that had a great defense or great coaches. Purdy looked really good last year but you can't seriously think he would have won 7 straight with the Jets teams that Darnold played on. He may be damaged goods at this point but they aren't paying him much so he's worth a look.

Montana led the league in comp% his 2nd season despite going 2-5, that was before the 81 draft.

Darnold btw had the #2 defense in yards allowed with the Panthers in 2021. The offense was brutal however and they allowed a good amount of points. But here we are excusing Sam because he had bums like CMC, DJ Moore out there playing with him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
4eva, this post is terrible. you merely respond to all my posts, with some disingenuous Darnold nonsense. It is tiring.

With Darnold, it's not a question of development. It's his supporting cast, coaching, etc. I don't feel he needs much development. He has nearly as many starts as JG. He just needs an OL and receivers and some good play calls.

If Darnold was drafted into this org and struggled like he did in NYJ then yeah there wouldn't be as much optimism that he could turn it around, why would there be? I would probably say well it's on him, cuz the opportunity in SF was there for the taking. We have it good. If Darnold can't hack it here in SF, he probably should be a career backup, or a USFL starter.

I guess you're good with the turnovers or the bad pocket presence?

Interesting...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
4eva, this post is terrible. you merely respond to all my posts, with some disingenuous Darnold nonsense. It is tiring.

With Darnold, it's not a question of development. It's his supporting cast, coaching, etc. I don't feel he needs much development. He has nearly as many starts as JG. He just needs an OL and receivers and some good play calls.

If Darnold was drafted into this org and struggled like he did in NYJ then yeah there wouldn't be as much optimism that he could turn it around, why would there be? I would probably say well it's on him, cuz the opportunity in SF was there for the taking. We have it good. If Darnold can't hack it here in SF, he probably should be a career backup, or a USFL starter.

You being exactly what Steve was talking about a few pages back is equally tiring. Have some consistent standards for players that doesn't just change on a whim.

There is no inconsistency, that is the response ppl gave to SWH. The idea you have to treat JG and TL the same, is nonsense. They aren't the same QB.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
4eva, this post is terrible. you merely respond to all my posts, with some disingenuous Darnold nonsense. It is tiring.

With Darnold, it's not a question of development. It's his supporting cast, coaching, etc. I don't feel he needs much development. He has nearly as many starts as JG. He just needs an OL and receivers and some good play calls.

If Darnold was drafted into this org and struggled like he did in NYJ then yeah there wouldn't be as much optimism that he could turn it around, why would there be? I would probably say well it's on him, cuz the opportunity in SF was there for the taking. We have it good. If Darnold can't hack it here in SF, he probably should be a career backup, or a USFL starter.

I guess you're good with the turnovers or the bad pocket presence?

Interesting...

KS is betting it was more his situation, than his mechanics. I agree. KS is on record here. Time will tell. There would be no reason to be a turnover factory on the 2023 49ers for TL or anyone. On the 2005 49ers, yes. These 49ers, no.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Montana and the NIners really turned it around when Walsh had probably the greatest DB draft in history. The 3 rookies along with a young Dwight Hicks terrorized the league. Thebn they added Fred Dean and the D became awesome. Even Momtana admitted that the offense wasn't that great that year. Bradsy's experiences were similar. The Pats D was what propelled them in those early years.

As far as I know Darnold didn't play with a team that had a great defense or great coaches. Purdy looked really good last year but you can't seriously think he would have won 7 straight with the Jets teams that Darnold played on. He may be damaged goods at this point but they aren't paying him much so he's worth a look.

The bolded is spot on. Brady had 1 td his entire postseason run and missed a game during the Pats first Super Bowl season. The Pats were a run first team for the next two Super Bowls and the team was anchored by a dominant defense. Montana's Niners had a top tier defense in every one of the Super Bowl wins.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
4eva, this post is terrible. you merely respond to all my posts, with some disingenuous Darnold nonsense. It is tiring.

With Darnold, it's not a question of development. It's his supporting cast, coaching, etc. I don't feel he needs much development. He has nearly as many starts as JG. He just needs an OL and receivers and some good play calls.

If Darnold was drafted into this org and struggled like he did in NYJ then yeah there wouldn't be as much optimism that he could turn it around, why would there be? I would probably say well it's on him, cuz the opportunity in SF was there for the taking. We have it good. If Darnold can't hack it here in SF, he probably should be a career backup, or a USFL starter.

You being exactly what Steve was talking about a few pages back is equally tiring. Have some consistent standards for players that doesn't just change on a whim.

There is no inconsistency, that is the response ppl gave to SWH. The idea you have to treat JG and TL the same, is nonsense. They aren't the same QB.

I am not saying you need to treat the two of them the exact same. The standards for an 8 year vet who has been in the system for 5 years should be exponentially higher than the standards for a young QB with 4 starts under his belt. But because some people love Jimmy and dont love Trey, Jimmy was given excuse after excuse and those are not afforded to Trey. If you want to treat Jimmy and Trey the exact same (which I dont agree with, but will be totally on board with), fine. But people dont.

What I am talking about people saying things like "Trey was horrible in the 1st half against the Texans, and we are lucky we won" while ignoring that Jimmy had plenty of games that season where our offense was horrible for a whole half. In the latter, we heard "all that matters is the win."

What I am talking about is ignoring inconsistencies of Jimmy (and hiding behind season long passer rating), and highlighting a bad performance in the rain against the Bears while missing key pieces.

People legitimately had lower standards for Jimmy than Trey, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge that fact. It happened in the Alex Smith days too. And with Kaepernick. People make claims/excuses about/for one QB that the ignore for another.

I have no problem saying Purdy outperformed Trey and should have a massive leg up as our QBotF. Again, I just have an issue with people claiming they played under similar circumstances. They didnt.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Montana and the NIners really turned it around when Walsh had probably the greatest DB draft in history. The 3 rookies along with a young Dwight Hicks terrorized the league. Thebn they added Fred Dean and the D became awesome. Even Momtana admitted that the offense wasn't that great that year. Bradsy's experiences were similar. The Pats D was what propelled them in those early years.

As far as I know Darnold didn't play with a team that had a great defense or great coaches. Purdy looked really good last year but you can't seriously think he would have won 7 straight with the Jets teams that Darnold played on. He may be damaged goods at this point but they aren't paying him much so he's worth a look.

The bolded is spot on. Brady had 1 td his entire postseason run and missed a game during the Pats first Super Bowl season. The Pats were a run first team for the next two Super Bowls and the team was anchored by a dominant defense. Montana's Niners had a top tier defense in every one of the Super Bowl wins.

I feel as though this often gets forgotten. That many QBs that won a SB when young, played a support role as they leaned on a good run game and good defense. This applies to Ben Roth, Russell Wilson, Brady, and you're telling me Joe did too (I was too young to remember the 81 SB).

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't agree all the Development is on the player or the team, it's a combination.

lances body has failed him here, the team has everything else he could need/want.

darnolds teams failed to provide him with adequate coaching/play calling/talent.

You need health and proper support from the organization to really develop, IMO. Really hard to get better or succeed when you are missing those things

I would agree with that.

But with Darnold all his struggles are being pinned on the teams. As if the dude wasn't throwing picks or having issues with pocket presence in college. Also ignore all his fumbles because they don't fit in with the narrative of he's vastly improved.

Reality is both Trey and Sam need time to improve to be starting qbs. Trey needs reps. Sam needs to be broken down and built back up like Steve was. To win the SB THIS year it will all fall on how good Purdy can be as the other two won't likely be capable.

Darnold is not innocent in this whole thing. At the end of the day, he didn't get it done. It's just difficult to really hold too much of it against him, in my opinion, because he hasn't been put in many situations where it was easy to really determine if he has the proper makings.

for example, If the play caller is predictable and the talent is bad to average - that's a tough position to be in as a Qb. But you're still expected to make stuff work - so he ends up trying to over compensate, forcing balls, etc which is ends up bad. So i look at it as he responded poorly to a poor situation.

does that make sense? It's like he made a bad choice off of someone else's bad choice. It all compounds. So no, darnold isn't innocent but it's also understandable why a young talented QB like him struggled.

i always mention Lawrence cause he's a supreme talent and when he was put out there with bad talent and even worse coaching - he was awful too and made a ton of boneheaded mistakes.