Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea but the result, especially for the first season, was that we spent that money and added 10 ish million on another position that gave us next to zero impact. We're effectively just now seeing practical savings at the position… and it's still unsettled and a question mark.

That's because of the teams decision to have a price for Jimmy and not deviate. A separate discussion.

My point was they aren't getting Hill or Chubb as they wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. Because of previous financial decisions.

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you just trolling now? First of all if you want to be taken seriously stop quoting that idiot. The guy has been exposed as a dumbass and not someone to take seriously.

He's out there climbing through hoops trying to trash Lance(then again which of you is him?)

Taking an interview from 2017 and making the conclusion it's applicable to a totally different player in 2023 is something else.

We all know the story about Kyle and RG3 and Cousins. It does not apply to Lance the way you guys want it to. Kyle selected Trey. Trey is already here. The idea that he can't be successful in an offense designed for Purdy is pure speculation. If anything most of us not out on Trey want to see that offense with Trey.

There have also been a lot of interviews with Kyle since that one, ones which show a guy like Trey is someone he was looking for and he's expanding what he's looking for in a QB. Purdy may be the guy he wanted all along but it doesn't change his most recent comments point to Trey certainly being part of what he wanted to do on offense.

So stop quoting that 1 trick dumbass and let's see how Trey looks in a few weeks. Then we can comment better on his future with the team.

Quoting who?! lol I don't even have a Twitter account.'I have no idea who that guy is, nor do I care. I just look up random things and these guys tweets show up.

it was our head coach talking about a player similar to Trey and the situation. OUR head coach talking about how he designs the playbook every year for a QB room.

why are you always throwing a fit? How is that not relevant to Trey? Same head coach, same player caller, same playbook designer - Trey obviously has a totally different skill set than Brock/darnold. There is a lot of relevance there.

or did you just see whoever the hell the guy who tweeted it and not watch the video? That's probably what you did. Lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Hard to have the flexibility to do all of that when you have limited cap space because you are paying 137 million to a guy who isn't earning it and a bunch of money to a DE who is hurt.

Well I don't think anyone expects that we would of turned out picks into the same thing Miami did. Lol he's really just pointing out that they're valuable if used right.

Move those goalposts!

FYI it's easier to trade for proven vets when you have to overpay them. Miami hasn't won a damn thing with those "building blocks" yet, including having their season turned around by us.

Let's not crown them yet.

Lmao moving what goalpost?! Not my fault you interpret everything as you do.

if you took that post as "we could of had Tyreke hill etc instead of Lance" - then it's on you. Lol because no rational person would come to that conclusion. Did you not see my post about micah parsons right after?

You're the same guy that had a fit when I said the team benched Lance, right? Lol so please explain that one.

1. was the starter
2. Got injured
3. when healthy, didn't get the job back.
4. have to compete for QB2/3 - but that isn't being benched?

when you don't get the starting job back when you're healthy, you were benched.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
That's because of the teams decision to have a price for Jimmy and not deviate. A separate discussion.

My point was they aren't getting Hill or Chubb as they wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. Because of previous financial decisions.

That only covers year 2, and that's probably only part of the explanation.

It's also not a separate discussion, for me at least, because the issue here is the team f**ked up strategically and this is a part of it. You lost high quality picks, you had less financial flexibility initially, and you have had zero return on the actual purchase.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
That's because of the teams decision to have a price for Jimmy and not deviate. A separate discussion.

My point was they aren't getting Hill or Chubb as they wouldn't be able to afford them anyway. Because of previous financial decisions.

That only covers year 2, and that's probably only part of the explanation.

It's also not a separate discussion, for me at least, because the issue here is the team f**ked up strategically and this is a part of it. You lost high quality picks, you had less financial flexibility initially, and you have had zero return on the actual purchase.

Well I think we got our asking price for jimmy. He just screwed everytbing up with his surgery. Apparently there was a trade in place that fell apart when jimmy surprised everyone with the surgery.

who knows what we would of done with those picks. Lol maybe we would of blown them, maybe we would of pulled off more CMC type trades.

i posted that cause I didn't realize what the dolphins did with it, kudos to them. Doesn't change the fact its been a horrible trade for us. That isn't even on Lance. Lol that's on the team.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Well I think we got our asking price for jimmy. He just screwed everytbing up with his surgery. Apparently there was a trade in place that fell apart when jimmy surprised everyone with the surgery.

who knows what we would of done with those picks. Lol maybe we would of blown them, maybe we would of pulled off more CMC type trades.

i posted that cause I didn't realize what the dolphins did with it, kudos to them. Doesn't change the fact its been a horrible trade for us. That isn't even on Lance. Lol that's on the team.

It's 100 percent on the team. Comically bad management from an otherwise very successful group. Easily predictable from the jump. Just lost their minds.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Well I think we got our asking price for jimmy. He just screwed everytbing up with his surgery. Apparently there was a trade in place that fell apart when jimmy surprised everyone with the surgery.

who knows what we would of done with those picks. Lol maybe we would of blown them, maybe we would of pulled off more CMC type trades.

i posted that cause I didn't realize what the dolphins did with it, kudos to them. Doesn't change the fact its been a horrible trade for us. That isn't even on Lance. Lol that's on the team.

It's 100 percent on the team. Comically bad management from an otherwise very successful group. Easily predictable from the jump. Just lost their minds.

Just to be clear before someone says something ridiculous…

I love our front office and head coach. I think they've done a great job overall. I also think the trade up was very poorly done and unnecessary - they'll learn from it. Both can be true.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Just to be clear before someone says something ridiculous…

I love our front office and head coach. I think they've done a great job overall. I also think the trade up was very poorly done and unnecessary - they'll learn from it. Both can be true.

I think they're already actively demonstrating that they've learned from it. All you can ask for, especially considering they've been able to stave off the potential disaster results from the move.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
That only covers year 2, and that's probably only part of the explanation.

It's also not a separate discussion, for me at least, because the issue here is the team f**ked up strategically and this is a part of it. You lost high quality picks, you had less financial flexibility initially, and you have had zero return on the actual purchase.

Yet if you get possibility then greatest return ever for a Mr. irrelevent it makes that situation somewhat mitigated.

Other than maybe with Justin Fields I don't see a scenario where Brock isn't starting right now so don't know how you get around the questions at the position right now.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Yet if you get possibility then greatest return ever for a Mr. irrelevent it makes that situation somewhat mitigated.

Other than maybe with Justin Fields I don't see a scenario where Brock isn't starting right now so don't know how you get around the questions at the position right now.

Agreed, but we're not out of the woods there yet either. It looks promising.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Just to be clear before someone says something ridiculous…

I love our front office and head coach. I think they've done a great job overall. I also think the trade up was very poorly done and unnecessary - they'll learn from it. Both can be true.

I think they're already actively demonstrating that they've learned from it. All you can ask for, especially considering they've been able to stave off the potential disaster results from the move.

I'd even go as far to say that I think they still had a good draft in 2021. Aaron banks, Huff, Elijah Mitchell. When you can get 3 quality players like that, it's a good draft. I think lennoire is really coming into his own.

i love this last draft, I bet we get at least 3-4 more really quality guys. 2022 has Purdy so far and a few promising prospects.

factor in the Cmc Trade last year and the cap management - we are in a good spot.

I'll never understand why if I criticize one thing, it means I think everything's bad in some peoples eyes. I look at each situation and analyze it. That's the most constructive way to break things down. Few situations are perfect.

Some things are just not reasonable to Expect. Let me be clear, that doesn't mean they can't happen, but to Think they are more likely to happen than not is just not logical:

Anyone is going to beat out Brock for the starting job, with his 8 straight wins, two playoff wins, 30+ points of offense per game, at least 5 point per game improvement over the veteran Jimmy, Lynch saying he and Kyle think he's earned that, and no opportunity for anybody to show his stuff in games prior to the start of the season.

Darnold not expecting to be above the 3rd string, with the contract he signed and his commitment to us on the first day of free agency, and Kyle talking about him being the best passer ever.

Kyle and John not having a better idea of who Trey is entering his 3rd year in the program than fans do on his minimum game time.

Kyle and John not expecting inquiries on Trey as a result of saying Brock's the clubhouse leader and he's earned that.

Thinking John saying there just was no interest in Trey in this offseason doesn't mean that there was interest on their part in taking offers.

Thinking bringing Sam in at his price does not reflect on the FO's confidense in Trey, at least for this year.

Kyle's thinking Sam is such a good passer necessariy ensures Kyle can fix his head.

In the meritocracy that is the NFL, anyone thinking it will benefit their career to place one player over another by factoring in race, in either direction, or fans thinking they can benefit by doing the same.

In the Not For Long League, when they roll out the balls, you've got lots of time to perform because of a perceived "ceiling", or injury excuse. Roster spots and cap space are too valuable for that.

Kyle didn't mean it when he said he'd just a soon get rid of preseason games because he can learn all he needs to in practice, and think Brock must play in preseason games or he will not start.

Kyle and John don't Think they've found their franchise quarterback. Yeah, they'll be looking for improvement, but they think they've got the guy that has the drive and the aptitude to do that.

We're ever going to play Anybody that does not give us the best chance to win This Year for some future development or trade goal.

We don't aggresively compete for a Super Bowl this year.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Some things are just not reasonable to Expect. Let me be clear, that doesn't mean they can't happen, but to Think they are more likely to happen than not is just not logical:

Anyone is going to beat out Brock for the starting job, with his 8 straight wins, two playoff wins, 30+ points of offense per game, at least 5 point per game improvement over the veteran Jimmy, Lynch saying he and Kyle think he's earned that, and no opportunity for anybody to show his stuff in games prior to the start of the season.

Darnold not expecting to be above the 3rd string, with the contract he signed and his commitment to us on the first day of free agency, and Kyle talking about him being the best passer ever.

Kyle and John not having a better idea of who Trey is entering his 3rd year in the program than fans do on his minimum game time.

Kyle and John not expecting inquiries on Trey as a result of saying Brock's the clubhouse leader and he's earned that.

Thinking John saying there just was no interest in Trey in this offseason doesn't mean that there was interest on their part in taking offers.

Thinking bringing Sam in at his price does not reflect on the FO's confidense in Trey, at least for this year.

Kyle's thinking Sam is such a good passer necessariy ensures Kyle can fix his head.

In the meritocracy that is the NFL, anyone thinking it will benefit their career to place one player over another by factoring in race, in either direction, or fans thinking they can benefit by doing the same.

In the Not For Long League, when they roll out the balls, you've got lots of time to perform because of a perceived "ceiling", or injury excuse. Roster spots and cap space are too valuable for that.

Kyle didn't mean it when he said he'd just a soon get rid of preseason games because he can learn all he needs to in practice, and think Brock must play in preseason games or he will not start.

Kyle and John don't Think they've found their franchise quarterback. Yeah, they'll be looking for improvement, but they think they've got the guy that has the drive and the aptitude to do that.

We're ever going to play Anybody that does not give us the best chance to win This Year for some future development or trade goal.

We don't aggresively compete for a Super Bowl this year.

Your post is filled with inaccuracies but don't let that stop you…

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Hard to have the flexibility to do all of that when you have limited cap space because you are paying 137 million to a guy who isn't earning it and a bunch of money to a DE who is hurt.

Well I don't think anyone expects that we would of turned out picks into the same thing Miami did. Lol he's really just pointing out that they're valuable if used right.

Move those goalposts!

FYI it's easier to trade for proven vets when you have to overpay them. Miami hasn't won a damn thing with those "building blocks" yet, including having their season turned around by us.

Let's not crown them yet.

Lmao moving what goalpost?! Not my fault you interpret everything as you do.

if you took that post as "we could of had Tyreke hill etc instead of Lance" - then it's on you. Lol because no rational person would come to that conclusion. Did you not see my post about micah parsons right after?

You're the same guy that had a fit when I said the team benched Lance, right? Lol so please explain that one.

1. was the starter
2. Got injured
3. when healthy, didn't get the job back.
4. have to compete for QB2/3 - but that isn't being benched?

when you don't get the starting job back when you're healthy, you were benched.

You posted the graphic talking about the Miami haul like a casual. I see that crap come up a bunch of times and rarely is there any added information like the fact that Miami threw in a bunch of other picks and players to make those trades happen AND pay Hill and Chubb huge contracts.

Lance may end up being a miss for us but let's not spread misinformation. This thread has been overflowing with it lately(see post above)

Some of you are so eager to throw dirt on Lance that facts and rationale goes out the window.

As for Lance being benched…that's not my definition of being benched. Kid got injured. Brock got a chance to get in there and show what he can do. Now we are speculating what will happen but none of us know. Odds are Brock gets the starting job so then you can claim he got benched even though to me that's still not the same thing since it wasn't Trey's play which got him replaced it was his injury preventing him from showing what he can be and Brock seizing the chance.

Plus seems like you missed the conversation about the whole situation. Nothing has been final as far as who QB1 is. Lance has an up hill climb to regain the job if Brock is healthy enough to play but we will see how it unfolds in camp.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Smh. My central thesis is that many of his problems stem from MENTAL issues, derived from lack of experience. His LACK OF EXPERIENCE, especially against great defenders, is why he waits too long to cut and go full speed, trying to drag it out thinking he's going to get the corner or juke his way to more yards in the NFL.

Originally posted by JoseCortez: 2. No sorry. It has nothing to do with him looking downfield. The dude gets stonewalled and gets tackled by f**king linebackers short of the line of scrimmage AFTER making his decision to run. Keep lying to yourself.

The key word here is "AFTER." When is that after? It's TOO LATE, because he foolishly thinks in the NFL he can wait and wait for an optimal path to develop, or foolishly gives up easy yards hoping to complete a pass, frozen with indecision until the BRIEF window in the NFL that you have is gone.

Here he thinks he might pass, HESITATES, and ends up costing himself about four or five yards because of it.


And here we see him never even sprint, and he even slows down, thinking he has a chance of getting the edge on a guy with a massive head start and the perfect angle from fifteen yards away. Trey didn't see him until it was too late. He should have put his head down and sprinted before even getting to the numbers. Not that he would have made it anyway, but that's a couple more yards.


Here we have a situation where he's watching the guy closest to him, but lacks the vision to see the guy behind him with the angle. Here he is thinking he can beat the guy in front of him with a sudden acceleration, and push through his tackle. But he doesn't account for the guy behind the man in front of him. Because of inexperience and inadequate vision as a runner. What he SHOULD have done is immediately sprint as fast as he can towards sideline and the marker, using speed rather than guile to get by the guy in front of him, because he would NEVER be able to get by both by juking the first guy enough to break through his tackle. He doesn't take into account the second defender until it's way too late to have any hope. Either that, or he thought he'd be able to power through both, which is just as bad (EDIT: no, he's not beating DBs to the sideline, but he has a better chance if he just goes for the straight line towards the pylon; also notice two 49ers not blocking anyone. That's not all on Trey here).


These three runs show a repeating problem, one you are strangely oblivious to, given that you're a Trey critic: Trey has unusually bad vision as a runner. And I submit that the explanation for that is that he never had to have good vision at NDSU because his far more talented teammates provided gaping holes on designed runs, and when he scrambled, they weren't nearly as sound in their techniques and reaction time to stop him. Where he not so inexperienced, he'd recognize his ability compared to NFL defenders, and stop with the attempts at using sudden changes in speed to power through people when that doesn't work very well against NFL players.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
3. If he's not a great runner, the. Why the hell did we trade the farm for him? It clearly wasn't for his processing, or his accuracy. It sure as hell wasnt for his throwing mechanics. What makes us think he will ever be able to process? Some people get it. Some people don't.

You are among those who don't. He was drafted because he's a GOOD ENOUGH runner to stress the defense with both designed QB runs (particularly QB power and inverted veer, which he HAS done with a lot of success) and behind the line to throw down the field. What was underestimated is merely the vast talent differential of defenses he was used to playing against versus NFL defenses. You cannot hesitate or hope to break through multiple tackles, nor will sudden changes in your motion vector affect a defender when they are close enough to you given that they are both better athletes than FCS and much more fundamentally sound.

Originally posted by JoseCortez: He still has a chance to make it. But don't tell me his running ability looks subpar because he's processing or looking downfield. b******t. I know a great runner when I see it. He ain't it.

It certainly is a fruitless exercise to try to get prominent members of the Jimmy club to actually know what they're seeing when they watch film. You can literally tell quite clearly on some of these that he's looking down field to pass, or he's not seeing the whole field and makes decisions based only on the guy directly in front of him, which is doomed to failure. Bottom line: he's thinking too much, not reacting enough. These are are related to the same issue: lack of experience compounded by weak competition in the only experience he has.

His run there kind of ties into my comments that he isn't super quick or agile. Lamar or fields would of burned their ass to the first down.

now part of his run may of been impacted by the second guy coming but I still don't think he has the burst to beat them around the corner. That's why I don't think we can play true 11-11 with him, he is above average, but not unique with his speed/agility/burst.

He's quick enough to be a threat on the ground, in particular up the middle.