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Jul 5, 2023 at 11:42 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
We doing this again?

I don't care what people write. Unless you can pull me a quote from Shanahan or Lynch saying Purdy is the starting QB once he's healthy then my point stands.

Shanahan and Lynch both said that Brock is the leader in the clubhouse BUT there is going to be competition. Those are facts. We can certainly discuss what it would take from Lance or Darnold to steal the job(and odds are it won't be enough unless one of them is able to start real games and play very well in wins) but facts right now is there will be a competition, Brock is just coming into it with a lead.

So the idea that Lance was benched and they're pushing him to the side is simply not based on any information that came from the 49ers. So people posting it like it's facts is garbage.

as you write this there is literally a backup QB ranks on the homepage and a picture of Lance

And yet there hasn't been anything official from Shanahan/Lynch or you'd be posting that...

come on genus, JL here, and KS has said it would be an easy decision, BP as QB1, but for the injury, that's the only thing opening any door here
if BP is back healthy, he's the guy, now if that's not week 1, all bets are off


What you think you're posting/saying is not actually what you're posting.

Saying Brock is the leader if they were to lineup now is not saying Brock is the starter and there is no competition.

There is a comp it's for QB2, and it's a meaningful comp, as with BP recovering, it may be for QB1, if BP's not able to go in time. If BP is able to go, and the same guy or close to it, then he gets the first snap. This is the 'he's earned it' talk. He earned that, based on his performance, last season. JL and KS are clear.

This is from Lynch's interview about a month ago, later than the video you posted earlier

"we think Brock probably is the leader in the clubhouse, as we said, but it will be open for competition and it's those guys' opportunity to go in, earn that job."

This is exactly what I've been saying. So let's stop acting like Brock is guaranteed the job and Lance is having to fight for his career.

Maybe it shakes out like that but until we hear it, or see it...stop spreading misinformation.

genus, sometimes you have to read between the lines. here you don't even have to read between the lines, they are coming out and saying, he's earned the first snap, and I'm taking it just as they are saying it..

this is from the WZ homepage, notice the Lance and Sam are competing for QB2:

"Once healthy, Purdy is the front-runner to start the 2023 season. Lance and newcomer Sam Darnold are competing for the QB2 job. "

Man you're exhausting. I literally said odds are that what Lance/Darnold can do in camp/preseason won't be enough to start over Brock if he's healthy.

That doesn't change the fact that as of right now there has been nothing from the team saying Brock is the unquestioned starter.

Until that happens you never know so acting like it's a fact isn't it. And stop it with the "read between the lines" crap. You only read between the lines when you want to.

well let's agree on what we can agree on
we agree BP is QB1
we agree TL is battling with Sam for QB2
we agree TL could be QB1 if BP isn't right, or if BP starts, and doesn't perform
I can agree with you that nothing is unquestioned, as coach says there are no guarantees in life

you can let me know if you don't agree but it sounds like we are reaching consensus here or long story short, I concur

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Jul 5, 2023 at 12:05 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
We doing this again?

I don't care what people write. Unless you can pull me a quote from Shanahan or Lynch saying Purdy is the starting QB once he's healthy then my point stands.

Shanahan and Lynch both said that Brock is the leader in the clubhouse BUT there is going to be competition. Those are facts. We can certainly discuss what it would take from Lance or Darnold to steal the job(and odds are it won't be enough unless one of them is able to start real games and play very well in wins) but facts right now is there will be a competition, Brock is just coming into it with a lead.

So the idea that Lance was benched and they're pushing him to the side is simply not based on any information that came from the 49ers. So people posting it like it's facts is garbage.

as you write this there is literally a backup QB ranks on the homepage and a picture of Lance

And yet there hasn't been anything official from Shanahan/Lynch or you'd be posting that...

come on genus, JL here, and KS has said it would be an easy decision, BP as QB1, but for the injury, that's the only thing opening any door here
if BP is back healthy, he's the guy, now if that's not week 1, all bets are off


What you think you're posting/saying is not actually what you're posting.

Saying Brock is the leader if they were to lineup now is not saying Brock is the starter and there is no competition.

There is a comp it's for QB2, and it's a meaningful comp, as with BP recovering, it may be for QB1, if BP's not able to go in time. If BP is able to go, and the same guy or close to it, then he gets the first snap. This is the 'he's earned it' talk. He earned that, based on his performance, last season. JL and KS are clear.

This is from Lynch's interview about a month ago, later than the video you posted earlier

"we think Brock probably is the leader in the clubhouse, as we said, but it will be open for competition and it's those guys' opportunity to go in, earn that job."

This is exactly what I've been saying. So let's stop acting like Brock is guaranteed the job and Lance is having to fight for his career.

Maybe it shakes out like that but until we hear it, or see it...stop spreading misinformation.

genus, sometimes you have to read between the lines. here you don't even have to read between the lines, they are coming out and saying, he's earned the first snap, and I'm taking it just as they are saying it..

this is from the WZ homepage, notice the Lance and Sam are competing for QB2:

"Once healthy, Purdy is the front-runner to start the 2023 season. Lance and newcomer Sam Darnold are competing for the QB2 job. "

Man you're exhausting. I literally said odds are that what Lance/Darnold can do in camp/preseason won't be enough to start over Brock if he's healthy.

That doesn't change the fact that as of right now there has been nothing from the team saying Brock is the unquestioned starter.

Until that happens you never know so acting like it's a fact isn't it. And stop it with the "read between the lines" crap. You only read between the lines when you want to.

well let's agree on what we can agree on
we agree BP is QB1
we agree TL is battling with Sam for QB2
we agree TL could be QB1 if BP isn't right, or if BP starts, and doesn't perform
I can agree with you that nothing is unquestioned, as coach says there are no guarantees in life

you can let me know if you don't agree but it sounds like we are reaching consensus here or long story short, I concur


Correct
Jul 5, 2023 at 4:04 PM
This is very interesting from Kyle back in 2017. I feel like he's essentially saying Lance is going to really struggle this year because he isn't expected to be QB1 and his skill set is very different than Brock/Darnold, so the offense won't be designed around his overall skill set. You can kind of take this exact convo and replicate it for Lance right now. Kinda makes me feel bad for the guy. Lol

Jul 5, 2023 at 4:18 PM
I didn't realize this is all the goods they got from the Lance trade. Damn.

Jul 5, 2023 at 4:24 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
I didn't realize this is all the goods they got from the Lance trade. Damn.


note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here
Jul 5, 2023 at 4:30 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I didn't realize this is all the goods they got from the Lance trade. Damn.


note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Or how people say "we wouldn't of taken micah parsons". Or some other nonsense. Maybe we wouldn't, who knows, but jeez what an awful trade.

not the Lance pick, that's a different discussion, just the trade. I'll never understand the logic behind "we traded up to pick between the 3-5 best QBs in the draft and we didn't know which one we wanted, just made the largest trade in franchise history for it. We will figure out who we want later". Lmao blows my mind
Jul 5, 2023 at 4:38 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Or how people say "we wouldn't of taken micah parsons". Or some other nonsense. Maybe we wouldn't, who knows, but jeez what an awful trade.

not the Lance pick, that's a different discussion, just the trade. I'll never understand the logic behind "we traded up to pick between the 3-5 best QBs in the draft and we didn't know which one we wanted, just made the largest trade in franchise history for it. We will figure out who we want later". Lmao blows my mind

It just more than likely didn't actually go down that way. Public statements, and statements to media members fit for public consumption after the fact, should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe we'll get the actual truth someday in somebody's book.
Jul 5, 2023 at 4:48 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Or how people say "we wouldn't of taken micah parsons". Or some other nonsense. Maybe we wouldn't, who knows, but jeez what an awful trade.

not the Lance pick, that's a different discussion, just the trade. I'll never understand the logic behind "we traded up to pick between the 3-5 best QBs in the draft and we didn't know which one we wanted, just made the largest trade in franchise history for it. We will figure out who we want later". Lmao blows my mind

It just more than likely didn't actually go down that way. Public statements, and statements to media members fit for public consumption after the fact, should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe we'll get the actual truth someday in somebody's book.

Idc what the plan was - whether it was Jones or Lance or whoever. I just hope THAT wasn't the plan (listed above). Hahaha

my personal thought is that it was originally Jones and then they fell in love with Lance, which is perfectly fine. The team took a big swing, I don't have issue with them taking a chance. it's unfortunate so far it's been really bad. Hahaha but it's really the trade that I think was the main mistake, not the player.

It's easy to nitpick it with 20/20 vision, and even though Lance wasn't who i would of picked, I'm fine with it all. Just happy that it looks like we have Purdy that could be a gem (and saved our booties last year).

also, we don't know if Lance is a bust or not. So it could still work out. He hasn't played enough and is still really young and raw. It's just not worked out trade wise because we've got 0 return on a massive amount of resources that we lost over a two year period.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:16 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I didn't realize this is all the goods they got from the Lance trade. Damn.


note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Or how people say "we wouldn't of taken micah parsons". Or some other nonsense. Maybe we wouldn't, who knows, but jeez what an awful trade.

not the Lance pick, that's a different discussion, just the trade. I'll never understand the logic behind "we traded up to pick between the 3-5 best QBs in the draft and we didn't know which one we wanted, just made the largest trade in franchise history for it. We will figure out who we want later". Lmao blows my mind

It's so hard to take you guys seriously when you don't even fact check things.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:20 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Hard to have the flexibility to do all of that when you have limited cap space because you are paying 137 million to a guy who isn't earning it and a bunch of money to a DE who is hurt.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:26 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Hard to have the flexibility to do all of that when you have limited cap space because you are paying 137 million to a guy who isn't earning it and a bunch of money to a DE who is hurt.

Yea but the result, especially for the first season, was that we spent that money and added 10 ish million on another position that gave us next to zero impact. We're effectively just now seeing practical savings at the position… and it's still unsettled and a question mark.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:26 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Hard to have the flexibility to do all of that when you have limited cap space because you are paying 137 million to a guy who isn't earning it and a bunch of money to a DE who is hurt.

Well I don't think anyone expects that we would of turned out picks into the same thing Miami did. Lol he's really just pointing out that they're valuable if used right.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:29 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
This is very interesting from Kyle back in 2017. I feel like he's essentially saying Lance is going to really struggle this year because he isn't expected to be QB1 and his skill set is very different than Brock/Darnold, so the offense won't be designed around his overall skill set. You can kind of take this exact convo and replicate it for Lance right now. Kinda makes me feel bad for the guy. Lol


Are you just trolling now? First of all if you want to be taken seriously stop quoting that idiot. The guy has been exposed as a dumbass and not someone to take seriously.

He's out there climbing through hoops trying to trash Lance(then again which of you is him?)

Taking an interview from 2017 and making the conclusion it's applicable to a totally different player in 2023 is something else.

We all know the story about Kyle and RG3 and Cousins. It does not apply to Lance the way you guys want it to. Kyle selected Trey. Trey is already here. The idea that he can't be successful in an offense designed for Purdy is pure speculation. If anything most of us not out on Trey want to see that offense with Trey.

There have also been a lot of interviews with Kyle since that one, ones which show a guy like Trey is someone he was looking for and he's expanding what he's looking for in a QB. Purdy may be the guy he wanted all along but it doesn't change his most recent comments point to Trey certainly being part of what he wanted to do on offense.

So stop quoting that 1 trick dumbass and let's see how Trey looks in a few weeks. Then we can comment better on his future with the team.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:31 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Well I don't think anyone expects that we would of turned out picks into the same thing Miami did. Lol he's really just pointing out that they're valuable if used right.

Sure. So is cap space. But in his mind giving 40 million to average qbs is fine. Just don't trade picks for a prospect.

You can also trade 1sts for Jamal Adams. Or you can trade a crap ton of picks and cap for Russell Wilson. Big moves have an inherent risk.
Jul 5, 2023 at 5:31 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
note to self, bookmark this post, when ppl say, we didn't miss out on any opportunity cost, with the Lance pick
this is how you can flex your ones folks
that narrative of who cares about ones, because for all we know, we may have whiffed on those picks, had me
i've seen it a handful of times in here

Hard to have the flexibility to do all of that when you have limited cap space because you are paying 137 million to a guy who isn't earning it and a bunch of money to a DE who is hurt.

Well I don't think anyone expects that we would of turned out picks into the same thing Miami did. Lol he's really just pointing out that they're valuable if used right.

Move those goalposts!

FYI it's easier to trade for proven vets when you have to overpay them. Miami hasn't won a damn thing with those "building blocks" yet, including having their season turned around by us.

Let's not crown them yet.
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