Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I think you are still misunderstanding. No one is objecting to the possibility that Purdy will regress. It's just when you use the word "mean."

Yes, what is the mean?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey will get better over time. I would be large sums of money he will be at least a decent QB before he retires, if not really good. The problem is that he has one year on his contract before we are forced to decide on if he's going to stick around, and Purdy gets the inside shot at being the long term QB. His options to stay here are basically either hope for an opportunity whilst also making enough improvement this year for it to matter, or signing a short term extension with us with a backup salary and hope he can break through in the next two years.

From my understanding, Trey definitely is with us for the next two years (2023 & 2024) if Kyle wants him to stay. Then (if AB81 says differently I defer to him on this) in 2025 Kyle can sign him to a one year extension for another year on the team. So potentially, Kyle can keep Trey for 3 more years, I believe. That should be more than enough time to assess whether or not Trey can be a franchise QB in this league or be a Gardener Minshew type of backup.

I believe we have to make the choice before next year on his fifth year option.

In 2024 Lance would be making about 11 million in his 4th year, and his 5th year options (assuming he's not played much behind Brock) would be placed at probably backup QB market value. Just quick google search about average backup QB salary is currently around 7+ million a year. So keeping Trey for his final year options shouldn't be a back breaker cap-wise if ShanaLynch wanted to keep Trey in 2025.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think you are still misunderstanding. No one is objecting to the possibility that Purdy will regress. It's just when you use the word "mean."

Yes, what is the mean?

I can say with BP and TL, to NYs point, and I don't often see eye to eye with NY..
we don't know what these guys mean is. It's just the truth.

They have 9 combined NFL starts, between 2 players. Question marks abound.
This is one reason why Sam is here. He has 55 starts. He's seen things, ghosts sure, but more than that.
BP and TL look up to him, from an experience point of view. I'll bet they are asking him a thing or two.

Originally posted by Giedi:
In 2024 Lance would be making about 11 million in his 4th year, and his 5th year options (assuming he's not played much behind Brock) would be placed at probably backup QB market value. Just quick google search about average backup QB salary is currently around 7+ million a year. So keeping Trey for his final year options shouldn't be a back breaker cap-wise if ShanaLynch wanted to keep Trey in 2025.

I could be wrong but I don't think the fifth year option works that way. It's based on other salaries. He would make somewhere between $20M - $30M from what I understand

Fifth year options for QBs who don't meet the playtime criteria (and obviously pro bowls) would be $20M. So lances fifth year would be $20M. Couple that with a ton of salaries ballooning that year, I'd be shocked if we did it.

it has to be decided on after this year

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
In 2024 Lance would be making about 11 million in his 4th year, and his 5th year options (assuming he's not played much behind Brock) would be placed at probably backup QB market value. Just quick google search about average backup QB salary is currently around 7+ million a year. So keeping Trey for his final year options shouldn't be a back breaker cap-wise if ShanaLynch wanted to keep Trey in 2025.

I could be wrong but I don't think the fifth year option works that way. It's based on other salaries. He would make somewhere between $20M - $30M from what I understand

Yeah it would be fat dollars
in the range you mention

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey will get better over time. I would be large sums of money he will be at least a decent QB before he retires, if not really good. The problem is that he has one year on his contract before we are forced to decide on if he's going to stick around, and Purdy gets the inside shot at being the long term QB. His options to stay here are basically either hope for an opportunity whilst also making enough improvement this year for it to matter, or signing a short term extension with us with a backup salary and hope he can break through in the next two years.

From my understanding, Trey definitely is with us for the next two years (2023 & 2024) if Kyle wants him to stay. Then (if AB81 says differently I defer to him on this) in 2025 Kyle can sign him to a one year extension for another year on the team. So potentially, Kyle can keep Trey for 3 more years, I believe. That should be more than enough time to assess whether or not Trey can be a franchise QB in this league or be a Gardener Minshew type of backup.

I believe we have to make the choice before next year on his fifth year option.

Yeah it's around this time (May) next season
in the case of Love, they didn't pick up the option, but they did agree to terms on year 5
so something like that is always in play as well

Or in the D Jones case, they didn't pick up year 5, and backed up the truck after year 4.

Good point, that's the other option - sign Trey long term somewhere in 2024.

Personally, I think Trey will progress this year and be a viable competitor to Purdy as QB1. Again, I'm assuming if Kyle can get Purdy up to speed the way he was as a backup to Jimmy, why not Trey? I don't see any mental handicaps to Trey preventing him from developing his intangibles the way Purdy did behind Jimmy. What has been hindering Trey is his durability - which was a knock-on Jimmy also. But even with Jimmy's durability issues, ShanaLynch decided to keep Jimmy anyway. In fact, I think *because of Brock* ShanaLynch now has the luxury of actually keeping Trey long term.

Here's how that would work out in my mind. Brock is QB1 and starts game 1 in the 2023 season. Trey also needs to beat out Sam for QB2 this season. Trey *has shown progress* (example - tightened up mechanics) and *hopefully* will show good progress in training camp and pre-season. Kyle keeps him this year (2023) and doesn't trade Trey. Kyle allows Trey to play in blowout games or games where Kyle wants to protect Purdy from injury - and Trey does well this year. Because Purdy locks down the QB1 position, I think that frees up Kyle to continue to develop Trey in 2024. He'll keep Trey because he's cheap compared to other backup QB's out there in 2024. (Trey's salary in 2024 = 10 million) current backup QB's future average salary at that time could be in the neighborhood of 9+ million - very comparable. I think if Kyle sees the potential for Trey to either win the QB1 position *or* develop to where Kyle can get better trade value in 2025 - that is *one* way for Trey to stay on with the 49ers for a much longer term.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
In 2024 Lance would be making about 11 million in his 4th year, and his 5th year options (assuming he's not played much behind Brock) would be placed at probably backup QB market value. Just quick google search about average backup QB salary is currently around 7+ million a year. So keeping Trey for his final year options shouldn't be a back breaker cap-wise if ShanaLynch wanted to keep Trey in 2025.

I could be wrong but I don't think the fifth year option works that way. It's based on other salaries. He would make somewhere between $20M - $30M from what I understand

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yeah it would be fat dollars
in the range you mention

Agree, I'd defer to AB81 on Trey's 5th year option. I don't understand that too well either.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
In 2024 Lance would be making about 11 million in his 4th year, and his 5th year options (assuming he's not played much behind Brock) would be placed at probably backup QB market value. Just quick google search about average backup QB salary is currently around 7+ million a year. So keeping Trey for his final year options shouldn't be a back breaker cap-wise if ShanaLynch wanted to keep Trey in 2025.

I could be wrong but I don't think the fifth year option works that way. It's based on other salaries. He would make somewhere between $20M - $30M from what I understand

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yeah it would be fat dollars
in the range you mention

Agree, I'd defer to AB81 on Trey's 5th year option. I don't understand that too well either.

I googled it, so if things stay consistent - he would be due approx $20M.

as someone mentioned above, there are alternatives though (if Lance agreed, which I doubt he would if he isn't the starter) but like what Green Bay did with love. That was the first time I've heard of that happening but possible. Or you get shafted like the giants did with jones. Lol his contract is really only a 2 year deal though, but still a lot of monies

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Totally disagree. If you played to the level as the last pick in the draft in college for multiple years….Then all of a sudden play damn good ball for 7 games AND part of the reason for that is TD% and TD/INT ratio (which are extremely volatile stats). Yeah it's reasonable to assume regression. Toss in some questionable film that no one wants to touch on because they want him to be great so bad…look I hope he balls out forever and there is no drop off. To assume there will be none is in fact silly. Especially with no off season and a massive injury to his throwing arm.

Add whatever with woo.

He is already great. Why be mad because someone thinks he is great?

Cause it's not "his guy".

This ought to be fun:

"'Lynch reiterated a line from March in stating that Purdy is "the leader in the clubhouse," when it comes to the 49ers' starting quarterback job. "But it will be open for competition," Lynch added. "It's up to those guys to win that job."'

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/31/49ers-incredibly-encouraged-after-brock-purdys-first-throwing-sesssion/

Originally posted by Giedi:
Good point, that's the other option - sign Trey long term somewhere in 2024.

Personally, I think Trey will progress this year and be a viable competitor to Purdy as QB1. Again, I'm assuming if Kyle can get Purdy up to speed the way he was as a backup to Jimmy, why not Trey? I don't see any mental handicaps to Trey preventing him from developing his intangibles the way Purdy did behind Jimmy. What has been hindering Trey is his durability - which was a knock-on Jimmy also. But even with Jimmy's durability issues, ShanaLynch decided to keep Jimmy anyway. In fact, I think *because of Brock* ShanaLynch now has the luxury of actually keeping Trey long term.

Here's how that would work out in my mind. Brock is QB1 and starts game 1 in the 2023 season. Trey also needs to beat out Sam for QB2 this season. Trey *has shown progress* (example - tightened up mechanics) and *hopefully* will show good progress in training camp and pre-season. Kyle keeps him this year (2023) and doesn't trade Trey. Kyle allows Trey to play in blowout games or games where Kyle wants to protect Purdy from injury - and Trey does well this year. Because Purdy locks down the QB1 position, I think that frees up Kyle to continue to develop Trey in 2024. He'll keep Trey because he's cheap compared to other backup QB's out there in 2024. (Trey's salary in 2024 = 10 million) current backup QB's future average salary at that time could be in the neighborhood of 9+ million - very comparable. I think if Kyle sees the potential for Trey to either win the QB1 position *or* develop to where Kyle can get better trade value in 2025 - that is *one* way for Trey to stay on with the 49ers for a much longer term.

Very good post!

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Good point, that's the other option - sign Trey long term somewhere in 2024.

Personally, I think Trey will progress this year and be a viable competitor to Purdy as QB1. Again, I'm assuming if Kyle can get Purdy up to speed the way he was as a backup to Jimmy, why not Trey? I don't see any mental handicaps to Trey preventing him from developing his intangibles the way Purdy did behind Jimmy. What has been hindering Trey is his durability - which was a knock-on Jimmy also. But even with Jimmy's durability issues, ShanaLynch decided to keep Jimmy anyway. In fact, I think *because of Brock* ShanaLynch now has the luxury of actually keeping Trey long term.

Here's how that would work out in my mind. Brock is QB1 and starts game 1 in the 2023 season. Trey also needs to beat out Sam for QB2 this season. Trey *has shown progress* (example - tightened up mechanics) and *hopefully* will show good progress in training camp and pre-season. Kyle keeps him this year (2023) and doesn't trade Trey. Kyle allows Trey to play in blowout games or games where Kyle wants to protect Purdy from injury - and Trey does well this year. Because Purdy locks down the QB1 position, I think that frees up Kyle to continue to develop Trey in 2024. He'll keep Trey because he's cheap compared to other backup QB's out there in 2024. (Trey's salary in 2024 = 10 million) current backup QB's future average salary at that time could be in the neighborhood of 9+ million - very comparable. I think if Kyle sees the potential for Trey to either win the QB1 position *or* develop to where Kyle can get better trade value in 2025 - that is *one* way for Trey to stay on with the 49ers for a much longer term.

Very good post!

Then the question becomes does Lance want to stay here as a backup for four to five years. My guess is no, idk who would want that as a player. He would benefit a lot but he will benefit more from playing.

if I was him, and I didn't get to start this year, I'm asking to be traded. Hoping the guy infront of you gets injured so you can play isn't a great plan.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Then the question becomes does Lance want to stay here as a backup for four to five years. My guess is no, idk who would want that as a player. He would benefit a lot but he will benefit more from playing.

if I was him, and I didn't get to start this year, I'm asking to be traded. Hoping the guy infront of you gets injured so you can play isn't a great plan.

no need to rush a trade.. I mean if he's not starting here.. is he beating out Darnold? If he isn't, what other team is trading for him? To start, and hand the job? He would have to earn it there, just like he has to earn it here.

This is the best environment for a QB to be in, that's why Sam came here, trust me, you don't want to be on about half these teams, the clown teams. He has a path to the open market it's called free agency.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Then the question becomes does Lance want to stay here as a backup for four to five years. My guess is no, idk who would want that as a player. He would benefit a lot but he will benefit more from playing.

if I was him, and I didn't get to start this year, I'm asking to be traded. Hoping the guy infront of you gets injured so you can play isn't a great plan.

no need to rush a trade.. I mean if he's not starting here.. is he beating out Darnold? If he isn't, what other team is trading for him? To start, and hand the job? He would have to earn it there, just like he has to earn it here.

This is the best environment for a QB to be in, that's why Sam came here, trust me, you don't want to be on about half these teams, the clown teams. He has a path to the open market it's called free agency.

I'm talking about after this season and assuming he is QB2 all year.

the big benefit that Trey has in his favor is age. He came into the league young. So him sitting 3 years really isn't a big deal overall career wise. Same for darnold. He's only 25. So he could turn it around after this season of getting coaches up and have a nice 10 year run somewhere

i know this is a wonderful place for players in general, especially QBs, but I think it will get to a point where he doesn't want to sit anymore and may request a trade. I'll be shocked if we use the fifth year option. I only see that getting executed if he's traded and team likes him. Otherwise, it would be a massive waste of cap space for us (assuming he's QB2)