Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Perfect example is Trey missing Kroft against the Bears. Bad play by Trey no doubt about it. Yet somehow that shows he's cant play the position at a high enough level.

Meanwhile Jimmy would miss that play routinely and it never mattered. Hell when Jimmy was late with throws it became the receivers fault for not high pointing and catching it. Nothing was ever Jimmy's fault. Why? Because the TEAM won. Even when they lost it was someone else at the forefront, usually Kyle (see Denver)

Young guys deserve more breaks when they struggle because they are young. When Brock or Trey get 30+ starts however the expectation should be high. Slightly above average just isn't going to cut it.

You're probably talking about how fans reacted, but Jimmy's shortcomings obviously mattered where it's important (in the building). That's why we invested what we did looking for improvement at the position.

Obviously agree with the idea that you cut young players more slack than veterans when it comes to making mistakes, but the team's current position (super bowl contender) renders the difference moot as we need good play now. Again, I'll say that the young QBs didn't put themselves in this position, but that doesn't mean the team's standard at the position should be any lower. Maybe it's not 'fair' to them, but this is pro sports.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Like every single QB to ever play in the NFL.

It is common for all qbs.

We're talking about 170 passing attempts not 500 like every single starting QB

What else was he supposed to say after immediately being proven wrong about his statement of there were no dropped ints

It's a stretch to call either a dropped INT
Rich Madrid is a

What else would you call them? The ball hit the defender in both hands. That second one is an interception probably 9/10 times and Diggs just dropped it.

Tartt was a dropped INT iirc, it was thrown right to the DB, he dropped it

If the ball is tipped, sometimes you get tipped balls, that's not the same as throwing it right to the DB, for obvious reasons

the other is a jump ball, contested catch situation, as he didn't lead the receiver or put it accurate, I like the decision, but a tough throw to execute
but ask yourself, why is the downfield one to BA not an INT, cuz BP trusted BA, and BA essentially prevents the INT from happening
when it's your top receiver you want to be taking one on one shots downfield, that's what NY has been asking for, for years

on the Diggs ask yourself why he didn't catch it.. I have my guess

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Like every single QB to ever play in the NFL.

It is common for all qbs.

We're talking about 170 passing attempts not 500+ like every single starting QB

What is the average rate of Almost Interceptions, what is the elite rate and what is Brock's rate?

Bad throws are bad throws. Simple as that. Lance had his fair share. It's okay to talk about it….hopefully he doesn't regress to the mean on those almost INTs and bad reads….he's not getting a full off season to work on all that, which stinks.

You keep bringing up Brock "regressing to the mean".
You realize that his mean is exactly what he did last year so that wouldn't be a regression.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey will get better over time. I would be large sums of money he will be at least a decent QB before he retires, if not really good. The problem is that he has one year on his contract before we are forced to decide on if he's going to stick around, and Purdy gets the inside shot at being the long term QB. His options to stay here are basically either hope for an opportunity whilst also making enough improvement this year for it to matter, or signing a short term extension with us with a backup salary and hope he can break through in the next two years.

From my understanding, Trey definitely is with us for the next two years (2023 & 2024) if Kyle wants him to stay. Then (if AB81 says differently I defer to him on this) in 2025 Kyle can sign him to a one year extension for another year on the team. So potentially, Kyle can keep Trey for 3 more years, I believe. That should be more than enough time to assess whether or not Trey can be a franchise QB in this league or be a Gardener Minshew type of backup.

I believe we have to make the choice before next year on his fifth year option.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup. Like the posters that were s**tting on Trey because he was practicing with Mahomes. A couple prominent Trey detractors literally mocked me for saying it was a good thing. Saying how pointless it was and that he wouldn't learn anything. Now we learn that it has actually helped him quite a bit(though it was literally about as common sense as it gets) but these guys didn't want that. They truly didn't. They took a huge positive and made it a negative just to be negative against him.

I'm a huge Trey guy based off raw potential but I still have no clue what the guy possesses. To sit and judge any player any sport after 4 games is one of the least honest and intelligent sports conversation I can think of. Trey could be a bust for all that I know but after 4 games? How utterly ridiculous.

Him working out with Mahomes does nothing. It was working out with his personal Trainer that has helped Trey. I did say, that if he was able to pickup on Patricks workout regime that COULD be a plus. But just because he was throwing with Patrick doesn't really mean much. He's been to like 4 different passing coaches( including Patrick's guy) hey are going to teach him a hell of a lot more than he's going to get from just throwing with Patrick. That was my point. A lot of these guys throw together in the off-season. They are there to work on their own game. They aren't there to teach. That is what the Passing coaches are for.

As I understand it, the trainer himself said watching Mahomes execute what Christensen asked him to do was the biggest factor in the mechanical changes he's made.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Now we have huge capital, 3 first and a 3rd, on IR or on the bench every season, cool.

He's not cheap either as far as a backup is concerned. Even worse if he can't beat out Darnold.

The one thing I would say though is it's common to invest in QB depth when you don't have an established 'franchise' QB, which has been our situation for the last two seasons and going into this one.

That should also be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey will get better over time. I would be large sums of money he will be at least a decent QB before he retires, if not really good. The problem is that he has one year on his contract before we are forced to decide on if he's going to stick around, and Purdy gets the inside shot at being the long term QB. His options to stay here are basically either hope for an opportunity whilst also making enough improvement this year for it to matter, or signing a short term extension with us with a backup salary and hope he can break through in the next two years.

From my understanding, Trey definitely is with us for the next two years (2023 & 2024) if Kyle wants him to stay. Then (if AB81 says differently I defer to him on this) in 2025 Kyle can sign him to a one year extension for another year on the team. So potentially, Kyle can keep Trey for 3 more years, I believe. That should be more than enough time to assess whether or not Trey can be a franchise QB in this league or be a Gardener Minshew type of backup.

I believe we have to make the choice before next year on his fifth year option.

Yeah it's around this time (May) next season
in the case of Love, they didn't pick up the option, but they did agree to terms on year 5
so something like that is always in play as well

Or in the D Jones case, they didn't pick up year 5, and backed up the truck after year 4.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

What else was he supposed to say after immediately being proven wrong about his statement of there were no dropped ints

Oh I know he would try to disprove the film right in from him. Next will be, why do you have to be negative?

Ypu linked a clip to contested pass and called it an almost INT.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
As I understand it, the trainer himself said watching Mahomes execute what Christensen asked him to do was the biggest factor in the mechanical changes he's made.

It appears as if you're talking about this...

I said, 'Watch this. Watch what he does here,'" Christensen recounted. "It was something I was telling him to do that he wasn't quite doing. And then he saw Patrick apply it perfectly. And I think that visual buy-in, that mental buy-in, helped him past that mental hump."

To which it is the coach teaching and not Mahomes himself. Which was my point.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
What else was he supposed to say after immediately being proven wrong about his statement of there were no dropped ints

Oh I know he would try to disprove the film right in from him. Next will be, why do you have to be negative?

Ypu linked a clip to contested pass and called it an almost INT.

let's get it correct, you said there were not two dropped INTs, he posted the vid and said you sure about that.. on those two plays
so he is thinking they are dropped ints
dropped INT means the defender drops the ball, there was no drop there, it was knocked away by BA

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
What else would you call them? The ball hit the defender in both hands. That second one is an interception probably 9/10 times and Diggs just dropped it.

It's okay to call those dropped INTs because they were…there's also some damn good throws from him too. We're only allowed to talk about one though

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Like every single QB to ever play in the NFL.

It is common for all qbs.

We're talking about 170 passing attempts not 500+ like every single starting QB

What is the average rate of Almost Interceptions, what is the elite rate and what is Brock's rate?

Probably you'll find that in "turnover worthy plays."

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
As I understand it, the trainer himself said watching Mahomes execute what Christensen asked him to do was the biggest factor in the mechanical changes he's made.

It appears as if you're talking about this...

I said, 'Watch this. Watch what he does here,'" Christensen recounted. "It was something I was telling him to do that he wasn't quite doing. And then he saw Patrick apply it perfectly. And I think that visual buy-in, that mental buy-in, helped him past that mental hump."

To which it is the coach teaching and not Mahomes himself. Which was my point.

Mahomes is indispensable in that interaction. If he doesn't have Mahomes to watch, seeing Mahomes buy into it, it's not going to sink in the same.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You keep bringing up Brock "regressing to the mean".
You realize that his mean is exactly what he did last year so that wouldn't be a regression.

Lol he didn't play at the mean level. You even said that you said he played at an elite level. Something he's never really done since before college…it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he regresses based on past production and some of the stats he was damn good at are not easily replicated like TD % and td/INT ratio…hence showing the dropped ints and bad passes.

Again I hope he turns into an all-pro and becomes Montana. I'm not gonna pretend that's the only scenario or there can't be any regression. Especially now with the injury and not having a full off season to improve

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Brock definitely had a handful of throws that he was lucky they weren't picked. It's just part of the learning process and adjusting to the league.

Lance had a couple as well in his few games. It's common for young players. Doesn't change the fact that Brock played at a high/elite level overall. Every stat backs it up. Top five in most important catagories.

He played at a Jimmy G level (with CMC) there was for sure more good than bad…a ton of people refuse to even admit there was bad plays or any possible way he couldn't regress to the mean. I hope he doesn't and he improves on things that he needs to improve upon. He's not gonna get an off season to do that…imo that's not a great start.

He played at the same level as jimmy g in regards to the things Jimmy excelled at, yes. Better than him at most other things. There were things that Jimmy was usually one of the best in the league at such as YPA, performance on third downs, accuracy etc. those are things we should be proud of?

i know you only account for what Trey did in third/fourth quarter of the Texans game, but who would you say he played like over the course of his three games?