Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Because for some the desire for Trey to fail supercedes the desire for anyone else to succeed.

Nonsense. Some people just can't stand Trey NOT being the guy. I have no idea why.

There are people out there like that but I have not seen any of them posting here.

Every single person defending Trey here simply wants to see more before calling his career. Yet there are numerous people who downplay what he's shown so far and make it seem like every start of his outside of Houston(which is still diminished to being only a half of ok play if that against a terrible team) is like Sam Darnold's "I see ghosts" game.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Because for some the desire for Trey to fail supercedes the desire for anyone else to succeed.

Nonsense. Some people just can't stand Trey NOT being the guy. I have no idea why.

There are people out there like that but I have not seen any of them posting here.

Every single person defending Trey here simply wants to see more before calling his career. Yet there are numerous people who downplay what he's shown so far and make it seem like every start of his outside of Houston(which is still diminished to being only a half of ok play if that against a terrible team) is like Sam Darnold's "I see ghosts" game.

Yup. Like the posters that were s**tting on Trey because he was practicing with Mahomes. A couple prominent Trey detractors literally mocked me for saying it was a good thing. Saying how pointless it was and that he wouldn't learn anything. Now we learn that it has actually helped him quite a bit(though it was literally about as common sense as it gets) but these guys didn't want that. They truly didn't. They took a huge positive and made it a negative just to be negative against him.

I'm a huge Trey guy based off raw potential but I still have no clue what the guy possesses. To sit and judge any player any sport after 4 games is one of the least honest and intelligent sports conversation I can think of. Trey could be a bust for all that I know but after 4 games? How utterly ridiculous.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup. Like the posters that were s**tting on Trey because he was practicing with Mahomes. A couple prominent Trey detractors literally mocked me for saying it was a good thing. Saying how pointless it was and that he wouldn't learn anything. Now we learn that it has actually helped him quite a bit(though it was literally about as common sense as it gets) but these guys didn't want that. They truly didn't. They took a huge positive and made it a negative just to be negative against him.

I'm a huge Trey guy based off raw potential but I still have no clue what the guy possesses. To sit and judge any player any sport after 4 games is one of the least honest and intelligent sports conversation I can think of. Trey could be a bust for all that I know but after 4 games? How utterly ridiculous.

Him working out with Mahomes does nothing. It was working out with his personal Trainer that has helped Trey. I did say, that if he was able to pickup on Patricks workout regime that COULD be a plus. But just because he was throwing with Patrick doesn't really mean much. He's been to like 4 different passing coaches( including Patrick's guy) hey are going to teach him a hell of a lot more than he's going to get from just throwing with Patrick. That was my point. A lot of these guys throw together in the off-season. They are there to work on their own game. They aren't there to teach. That is what the Passing coaches are for.

Originally posted by genus49:

I brought him up because a large group of Trey drunk crowd were making every excuse in the book any time Jimmy played poorly and I was pointing out that Jimmy still got the "he's a winner" notion despite doing those things Trey is getting knocked for.

Simply put there is no reason to claim the team can't win with Lance at this point. Certainly not by the same people who pumped up Jimmy or excused him for the very things they're knocking Trey for despite much less experience.

Jimmy won, Trey has not won a lot.
People who win are called winners.

Originally posted by Stanley:
Nonsense. Some people just can't stand Trey NOT being the guy. I have no idea why.

What a dumb thing to say…

some people want to see our massive investment actually get a chance to legit fail before calling him one. Some people are massively premature and instant gratification fans. Some fans don't want to end up with Jimmy 2.0 (not saying Brock will be that).

I think just about everyone in here agrees, Brock has earned that "leader in the clubhouse" tag. He should get the first crack at it (if completely heathy and prepped to play in time). I don't think him or any of these QBs have earned a long leash and don't get the opportunity to play through bad play…which is a bad way to develop a QB. They can't do it with a guy they gave up 3 1sts in. Not a f**king chance they do that with any super young QB.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy won, Trey has not won a lot.
People who win are called winners.

Nick Foles is a winner too, right

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy won, Trey has not won a lot.
People who win are called winners.

Keep telling yourself that. Jimmy and winner don't belong in the same sentence. Good luck Oakland…. He will be released and nobody will claim him.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy won, Trey has not won a lot.
People who win are called winners.

Keep telling yourself that. Jimmy and winner don't belong in the same sentence. Good luck Oakland…. He will be released and nobody will claim him.

He's also a choker.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Because for some the desire for Trey to fail supercedes the desire for anyone else to succeed.

Nonsense. Some people just can't stand Trey NOT being the guy. I have no idea why.

There are people out there like that but I have not seen any of them posting here.

Every single person defending Trey here simply wants to see more before calling his career. Yet there are numerous people who downplay what he's shown so far and make it seem like every start of his outside of Houston(which is still diminished to being only a half of ok play if that against a terrible team) is like Sam Darnold's "I see ghosts" game.

I'd like to see more of Trey, just not if Brock is healthy, because I think he's the better qb short and long term. I don't evaluate QBs solely based on physical skill set.

im also not disillusioned and think he has played well. I think his best game was Houston and I'd classify it as "okay". I think his other two starts were bad performances.

i also don't think that means he's a bad qb. I just think he's very inexperienced and it's evident. I also don't think 5-10 nice plays/throws out 100 is enough to convince me he has tremendous potential, especially when he's missed half of those throws.

im still hoping the young man has a great camp and shows huge strides. I don't think he's going to be a failure in the nfl or anything, we just evaluate potential different and I think we have a much better option for the team short and long term. It has more to do with brock than it does Lance on why Idc to see more of Lance. But I'm also not going to sit here and lie about what I think his performances were.

has Kyle even ever said that Lance had a good game after one of his regular season starts?

Originally posted by krizay:
Him working out with Mahomes does nothing. It was working out with his personal Trainer that has helped Trey. I did say, that if he was able to pickup on Patricks workout regime that COULD be a plus. But just because he was throwing with Patrick doesn't really mean much. He's been to like 4 different passing coaches( including Patrick's guy) hey are going to teach him a hell of a lot more than he's going to get from just throwing with Patrick. That was my point. A lot of these guys throw together in the off-season. They are there to work on their own game. They aren't there to teach. That is what the Passing coaches are for.

Its kind of weird the way you always state your opinions like they are facts.
Its your opinion, nothing more.

Originally posted by Stanley:
Nonsense. Some people just can't stand Trey NOT being the guy. I have no idea why.

I don't know why either.

As a 9er fan not sure why you wouldn't want the best QB to be our starter, and thus far TL hasn't shown he is the best QB on the roster, and I believe he never will no matter how many reps he gets..

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy won, Trey has not won a lot.
People who win are called winners.

Keep telling yourself that. Jimmy and winner don't belong in the same sentence. Good luck Oakland…. He will be released and nobody will claim him.

He's also a choker.

lol, we know you didn't like JG
I wouldn't say he was a choker. Go back to week 18 Rams game, dude had 60-90 secs, drove us the entire field, on the road, to save our season
HOF players at every level of that D, eventual world champion team
you call him a choker cuz he didn't do that every single opportunity, but he wasn't a Mahomes, Montana type guy, your expectations may be unrealistic

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd like to see more of Trey, just not if Brock is healthy, because I think he's the better qb short and long term. I don't evaluate QBs solely based on physical skill set.

im also not disillusioned and think he has played well. I think his best game was Houston and I'd classify it as "okay". I think his other two starts were bad performances.

i also don't think that means he's a bad qb. I just think he's very inexperienced and it's evident. I also don't think 5-10 nice plays/throws out 100 is enough to convince me he has tremendous potential, especially when he's missed half of those throws.

im still hoping the young man has a great camp and shows huge strides. I don't think he's going to be a failure in the nfl or anything, we just evaluate potential different and I think we have a much better option for the team short and long term. It has more to do with brock than it does Lance on why Idc to see more of Lance. But I'm also not going to sit here and lie about what I think his performances were.

has Kyle even ever said that Lance had a good game after one of his regular season starts?

I think some people embellish how "bad" he's played.

not sure how completing 70% of your passes for 250 yards a couple TDs and a 113.5 QB rating is considered okay? that was the only game he had Kittle in.

brock had two games where he threw more yards. Two games where he threw more TDs and two games completing more passes. That's including the playoffs and that's with CMC and a defense that actually turned the ball over.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd like to see more of Trey, just not if Brock is healthy, because I think he's the better qb short and long term. I don't evaluate QBs solely based on physical skill set.

im also not disillusioned and think he has played well. I think his best game was Houston and I'd classify it as "okay". I think his other two starts were bad performances.

i also don't think that means he's a bad qb. I just think he's very inexperienced and it's evident. I also don't think 5-10 nice plays/throws out 100 is enough to convince me he has tremendous potential, especially when he's missed half of those throws.

im still hoping the young man has a great camp and shows huge strides. I don't think he's going to be a failure in the nfl or anything, we just evaluate potential different and I think we have a much better option for the team short and long term. It has more to do with brock than it does Lance on why Idc to see more of Lance. But I'm also not going to sit here and lie about what I think his performances were.

has Kyle even ever said that Lance had a good game after one of his regular season starts?

I think some people embellish how "bad" he's played.

not sure how completing 70% of your passes for 250 yards a couple TDs and a 113.5 QB rating is considered okay? that was the only game he had Kittle in.

brock had two games where he threw more yards. Two games where he threw more TDs and two games completing more passes. That's including the playoffs and that's with CMC and a defense that actually turned the ball over.

In order for me to consider a qb to have a good game, at minimum, I think they need to have at least 3 good quarters of play. They need to constantly be putting the team in position to convert third downs and scoring opportunities, need to be accurate etc.

Lance had a slow start to that game in the first half. I also factor in that nearly every team in the league did better against that defense than we did - I know it's a different week every week, but I factor that in. Especially when I look at the massive difference in talent/coaching.

those things factor in for me. 3 points in the first half isn't good to me based on the way the offense was.

to treys credit, I thought it was a massive improvement from his Arizona game, which was nice to see. I just think the offense was very clunky.

this isn't something I do unique for Trey, I do this with all QBs. Stats don't always tell the whole story. I've seen QBs suck all game and then at the end get two quick touchdowns and yards st the end (still lost) but their stat line was sexy.

i personally have really high expectations for any qb in this offense, especially efficiency wise. I think Trey has been pretty inefficient. There are valid reasons that have contributed to his struggle but I don't think they should over shadow his performance because he was still out there playing.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd like to see more of Trey, just not if Brock is healthy, because I think he's the better qb short and long term. I don't evaluate QBs solely based on physical skill set.

im also not disillusioned and think he has played well. I think his best game was Houston and I'd classify it as "okay". I think his other two starts were bad performances.

i also don't think that means he's a bad qb. I just think he's very inexperienced and it's evident. I also don't think 5-10 nice plays/throws out 100 is enough to convince me he has tremendous potential, especially when he's missed half of those throws.

im still hoping the young man has a great camp and shows huge strides. I don't think he's going to be a failure in the nfl or anything, we just evaluate potential different and I think we have a much better option for the team short and long term. It has more to do with brock than it does Lance on why Idc to see more of Lance. But I'm also not going to sit here and lie about what I think his performances were.

has Kyle even ever said that Lance had a good game after one of his regular season starts?

I think some people embellish how "bad" he's played.

not sure how completing 70% of your passes for 250 yards a couple TDs and a 113.5 QB rating is considered okay? that was the only game he had Kittle in.

brock had two games where he threw more yards. Two games where he threw more TDs and two games completing more passes. That's including the playoffs and that's with CMC and a defense that actually turned the ball over.

In order for me to consider a qb to have a good game, at minimum, I think they need to have at least 3 good quarters of play. They need to constantly be putting the team in position to convert third downs and scoring opportunities, need to be accurate etc.

Lance had a slow start to that game in the first half. I also factor in that nearly every team in the league did better against that defense than we did - I know it's a different week every week, but I factor that in. Especially when I look at the massive difference in talent/coaching.

those things factor in for me. 3 points in the first half isn't good to me based on the way the offense was.

to treys credit, I thought it was a massive improvement from his Arizona game, which was nice to see. I just think the offense was very clunky.

this isn't something I do unique for Trey, I do this with all QBs. Stats don't always tell the whole story. I've seen QBs suck all game and then at the end get two quick touchdowns and yards st the end (still lost) but their stat line was sexy.

i personally have really high expectations for any qb in this offense, especially efficiency wise. I think Trey has been pretty inefficient. There are valid reasons that have contributed to his struggle but I don't think they should over shadow his performance because he was still out there playing.

Based on those standards, would you say that Brock had a good game against the Commanders?