Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I'm not struggling with anything. Lol I've watched, and rewatched, lances college and few nfl games multiple times. Specifically in an effort to try and understand why some think he's flashed superstar potential. I've said multiple times that I think he belongs in the league and will be a really solid qb in this league. Just to clarify - I think he can be like a dak prescott.

I should also say, as I've said before, I don't want a good or really good qb. I want one of the next HOF players who are truly special. I want someone in the Rodgers/Montana/Brady/Manning/Brees caliber. Anything less, no thank you.

if Lance/Brock can be one of those guys, great. if not, we should make do with what we have but keep looking.

i want a perennial top 5 QB.

it isn't a matter of if I think Lance can be a good qb or make a couple pro bowls. That's all nonsense to me. I want a top caliber guy. Future HOF player.

how do we get one? No idea. It's obviously difficult. Lol anything less to me is just dabbling in mediocrity and false hope to become a team who truly competes annually, and actually wins. I don't want to be like the eagles have for the last 25 years where they've had great rosters and made multiple NFC and Super Bowls, only to lose. They got lucky once in that time span. That isn't very fun as a fan. I want what we had in the 80-90 and what the patriots had with Brady or the colts with manning. Even though the colts only won one, they were truly in contention every year for a long time. Same with the saints etc I want what the chiefs currently have.

My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to piggyback here, as a reply to genus, i've posted 1000x that TL isn't a definitive bust yet and he can improve.. so we are in agreement here. I don't like what I see to this point, a few things I do, however he is young and can take big strides this summer imo.

i feel a lot of ppl in here play the 'you all think he's a bust' card, and very few are actually of that opinion

Count me as one of the few who thinks TL is an absolute bust as a Franchise Quarterback, which is is why he was drafted... exorbitant draft capital was depleted to draft him which demands the highest scrutiny of the pick.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to piggyback here, as a reply to genus, i've posted 1000x that TL isn't a definitive bust yet and he can improve.. so we are in agreement here. I don't like what I see to this point, a few things I do, however he is young and can take big strides this summer imo.

i feel a lot of ppl in here play the 'you all think he's a bust' card, and very few are actually of that opinion

Count me as one of the few who thinks TL is an absolute bust as a Franchise Quarterback, which is is why he was drafted... exorbitant draft capital was depleted to draft him which demands the highest scrutiny of the pick.

no one truthfully can say what Lance will or will not be this early.

There's no need to pick a side here.. this can be a great problem if we have two great QBs

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to piggyback here, as a reply to genus, i've posted 1000x that TL isn't a definitive bust yet and he can improve.. so we are in agreement here. I don't like what I see to this point, a few things I do, however he is young and can take big strides this summer imo.

i feel a lot of ppl in here play the 'you all think he's a bust' card, and very few are actually of that opinion

Count me as one of the few who thinks TL is an absolute bust as a Franchise Quarterback, which is is why he was drafted... exorbitant draft capital was depleted to draft him which demands the highest scrutiny of the pick.

oh yeah I left the very few with you in mind

he may end up a bust, I didn't get the pick, but I put faith in JL and KS, I trust those guys and clearly they saw a lot in this man; hard to judge the career arc when he didn't get 5 qtrs into his campaign as the guy

he put tape out there which isn't very encouraging imo, but I will say I thought Alex was an out and out bust back in the day, yet he just kept working and getting better year to year, so it can happen. Alex ended up a very fine QB, all said and done, just took a while

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I'm not struggling with anything. Lol I've watched, and rewatched, lances college and few nfl games multiple times. Specifically in an effort to try and understand why some think he's flashed superstar potential. I've said multiple times that I think he belongs in the league and will be a really solid qb in this league. Just to clarify - I think he can be like a dak prescott.

I should also say, as I've said before, I don't want a good or really good qb. I want one of the next HOF players who are truly special. I want someone in the Rodgers/Montana/Brady/Manning/Brees caliber. Anything less, no thank you.

if Lance/Brock can be one of those guys, great. if not, we should make do with what we have but keep looking.

i want a perennial top 5 QB.

it isn't a matter of if I think Lance can be a good qb or make a couple pro bowls. That's all nonsense to me. I want a top caliber guy. Future HOF player.

how do we get one? No idea. It's obviously difficult. Lol anything less to me is just dabbling in mediocrity and false hope to become a team who truly competes annually, and actually wins. I don't want to be like the eagles have for the last 25 years where they've had great rosters and made multiple NFC and Super Bowls, only to lose. They got lucky once in that time span. That isn't very fun as a fan. I want what we had in the 80-90 and what the patriots had with Brady or the colts with manning. Even though the colts only won one, they were truly in contention every year for a long time. Same with the saints etc I want what the chiefs currently have.

My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

It's a fair question and I think the answer will always slightly change from person to person. Just think of guys Bree's/Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Mahomes etc. those guys who can do it all, even with lesser talent.
can carry any team, excellent in any position on the field.

right now I think we only have maybe 3 top legitimate HOF QBs playing at that level right now. Mahomes/Burrow/Allen. Then you have guys like Herbert and Hurts.

herbert, I know he's good but I don't think he's made that jump into their category yet - he seems unreliable to close out big games. then we have hurts who had an awesome season last year but I'd like to see more. I expect him to be awesome going forward but I'd just like to see him have more than one awesome season.

i don't see any reason why we can't have a guy in their convo.

i think there is a serious Lack of legitimate HOF caliber guys in the league right now.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I'm not struggling with anything. Lol I've watched, and rewatched, lances college and few nfl games multiple times. Specifically in an effort to try and understand why some think he's flashed superstar potential. I've said multiple times that I think he belongs in the league and will be a really solid qb in this league. Just to clarify - I think he can be like a dak prescott.

I should also say, as I've said before, I don't want a good or really good qb. I want one of the next HOF players who are truly special. I want someone in the Rodgers/Montana/Brady/Manning/Brees caliber. Anything less, no thank you.

if Lance/Brock can be one of those guys, great. if not, we should make do with what we have but keep looking.

i want a perennial top 5 QB.

it isn't a matter of if I think Lance can be a good qb or make a couple pro bowls. That's all nonsense to me. I want a top caliber guy. Future HOF player.

how do we get one? No idea. It's obviously difficult. Lol anything less to me is just dabbling in mediocrity and false hope to become a team who truly competes annually, and actually wins. I don't want to be like the eagles have for the last 25 years where they've had great rosters and made multiple NFC and Super Bowls, only to lose. They got lucky once in that time span. That isn't very fun as a fan. I want what we had in the 80-90 and what the patriots had with Brady or the colts with manning. Even though the colts only won one, they were truly in contention every year for a long time. Same with the saints etc I want what the chiefs currently have.

My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

To me it's simply being able to produce when needed.

If Jimmy could've won that SB against KC and/or gotten us back and won it another time, he could've been a franchise QB even with largely the same amount of tangible criticisms/limitations.

On a practical level it's being able to be relied on to win games with your arm when needed.

And the way I see it, if you want to be super hardcore it means being able to beat Mahomes when you have a better team than him, which more often than not (outside of 2018), we have had such a roster.

The Bengals and Bills have beaten KC mostly because of their QB, not so much their team.

So if we EVER freaking beat the Chiefs, especially in the Super Bowl, then you know our guy is a franchise QB (Kyle and Co. cannot be THAT LUCKY.....it will be the QB who does it).

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
oh yeah I left the very few with you in mind

he may end up a bust, I didn't get the pick, but I put faith in JL and KS, I trust those guys and clearly they saw a lot in this man; hard to judge the career arc when he didn't get 5 qtrs into his campaign as the guy

he put tape out there which isn't very encouraging imo, but I will say I thought Alex was an out and out bust back in the day, yet he just kept working and getting better year to year, so it can happen. Alex ended up a very fine QB, all said and done, just took a while

It took Alex to finally having a competent coaching staff. That is why some believe in SD.

Which I get, the coach/system matters when it comes to QBs.

Trey clearly has a good coach. But is it the coach/system to best suit him? I'm on record saying no. But clearly the jury is still out.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
oh yeah I left the very few with you in mind

he may end up a bust, I didn't get the pick, but I put faith in JL and KS, I trust those guys and clearly they saw a lot in this man; hard to judge the career arc when he didn't get 5 qtrs into his campaign as the guy

he put tape out there which isn't very encouraging imo, but I will say I thought Alex was an out and out bust back in the day, yet he just kept working and getting better year to year, so it can happen. Alex ended up a very fine QB, all said and done, just took a while

It took Alex to finally having a competent coaching staff. That is why some believe in SD.

Which I get, the coach/system matters when it comes to QBs.

Trey clearly has a good coach. But is it the coach/system to best suit him? I'm on record saying no. But clearly the jury is still out.

My gut tells me no, it isn't the best system for his skill set, but I also don't know because he hasn't played much. Time will tell. It also doesn't mean he will be inept in it either.

i always viewed him as a great fit for like a Norv turner type offense that would add a wrinkle for qb runs. Essentially what he ran in college.

Originally posted by krizay:
My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

To me it's simple are you a guy that will light up a Defence no matter the coverage and have them feel like they can't stop you? Mahomes can, Allen has games like it, Burrow can, Herbert has shown the potential to and Hurts did for a stretch last year.

For anyone else to step into that realm they need to be able to be on the otherside of that and match them. The rules are just so skewed to the offence that sometimes that's the only way to compete with them.

A problem of that is that it's likely that the pretty much the only times you'll find out is in the Superbowl

Originally posted by krizay:
My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

This is a good question. I think there are certain guys, that it doesn't matter where they go, they are gonna be all caps elite, and elevate their squad. Like when Manning was drafted (the great one, not the good one). He went to a like 3 win team that was a dog. In a year he had them 13 win. He missed one season, they went back to 3 win. He goes to Denver, they are now a 13 win. So that guy was it. Elway did similar imo. Prime Rodgers, or prime Brady. These are like the first ballot HOF guys.

It's almost like this team is hard to beat, cuz they have that guy at QB. That's when you are top 5, or in the convo.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:
My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

To me it's simple are you a guy that will light up a Defence no matter the coverage and have them feel like they can't stop you? Mahomes can, Allen has games like it, Burrow can, Herbert has shown the potential to and Hurts did for a stretch last year.

For anyone else to step into that realm they need to be able to be on the otherside of that and match them. The rules are just so skewed to the offence that sometimes that's the only way to compete with them.

A problem of that is that it's likely that the pretty much the only times you'll find out is in the Superbowl

What I don't want, and it's what we've essentially had, is the offense as a whole has had to carry a ton of the weight and not screw up. Otherwise we are screwed.

it was the same way with Jimmy, we couldn't rely on him to carry the offense if the run game wasn't going or the defense wasn't on par. That was what I liked about Purdy, ni matter the situation, he thrived. When we were rolling, when the defense sucked against the raiders, in the playoffs against two huge rivals, when it was for the division on the road against a huge division rival while he was injured. It didn't matter - he showed up and showed out. If we can get that constantly, and stay healthy - there is no reason why we won't compete for it all every year and be the favorite in the NFC. At least for the next few years

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:
My problem with this is that there can only be 5 guys in the top 5. The usual names are always going to be in said top 5. Hell top 8 or do really. Going to be hard to get a QB like that.

Then there's the question of top 5 in what? What makes a QB top 5? What are the qualifications?

It has long since been my belief that what you need is a QB you can win with. A QB that can run the offense your are trying to run. No matter the type of offense that is.

I've asked this question before and has yet to see a legit answer.

What exactly is a franchise QB? I'll change that question to ask you this.... what's the qualifications of being a top 5 QB?

This is a good question. I think there are certain guys, that it doesn't matter where they go, they are gonna be all caps elite, and elevate their squad. Like when Manning was drafted (the great one, not the good one). He went to a like 3 win team that was a dog. In a year he had them 13 win. He missed one season, they went back to 3 win. He goes to Denver, they are now a 13 win. So that guy was it. Elway did similar imo. Prime Rodgers, or prime Brady. These are like the first ballot HOF guys.

It's almost like this team is hard to beat, cuz they have that guy at QB. That's when you are top 5, or in the convo.

Right, like the packers haven't had a really good team for a long long time. They've had good players but not team. They have won a lot of games 2/3 years because Rodgers could mask a lot of their flaws. It didn't work out in the playoffs but they were like a 5-11 team and not 13-3.

ir Peyton manning the year he got hurt. Colts went from legit contenders and then literally the worst team in the league without him

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
To me it's simple are you a guy that will light up a Defence no matter the coverage and have them feel like they can't stop you? Mahomes can, Allen has games like it, Burrow can, Herbert has shown the potential to and Hurts did for a stretch last year.

For anyone else to step into that realm they need to be able to be on the otherside of that and match them. The rules are just so skewed to the offence that sometimes that's the only way to compete with them.

A problem of that is that it's likely that the pretty much the only times you'll find out is in the Superbowl

BUT is it possible to show you are that guy if you play for a coach that likes to run the ball and call plays based off of your running. Then when running doesn't work the offense is stuck.

Last year to me was the 1st time we saw Kyle change up his attack. I actually believe it started before CMC but the attack was more pronounced after CMC. He didn't seem stuck on forcing the run and both JG and BP thrived

Damn cards just released D Hop! Looks like that'll cost them $22.6M in dead cap

Originally posted by tankle104:
Damn cards just released D Hop! Looks like that'll cost them $22.6M in dead cap

wow, that's a big one..
Steroid boy is avail

Cards looking like a complete joke more and more by the day