Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I never said you did.

so who would you start? Assuming all three are healthy?

I said if healthy Brock is the starter like 50 times. Not sure how many more times I need to say it.

But you don't want him to be the starter, right?

I would like to find out if Lance can be the guy we drafted him to be. As of right now he's gotta show he's capable of going out there and it starts with being healthy and stacking days during the off season.

I never said I didn't want him to be the starter. I said I have my doubts about maintain his pervious play or him being an elite QB in the long-term. He also needs to figure out how to stay healthy.

Lance, if he starts week one and to be safe let's just say he starts the first two or three games, he might look pretty bad because that Pittsburgh pass rush and defense is top-five. So I hope he gets a chance after the first week to show his stuff.

Kyle's offenses always seem to do poorly in week 1. I saw somewhere that as an OC and as an HC, his offenses have averaged 17 points a game in week 1.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Come on NY, why do you deny things that are clearly true? I feel the same way, one of the big problems with Trey is that because no one has seen enough of him he's a huge ? because of that people are just falling back to their original opinions on him. Ours along with many others such as 4ML believed (and still do) that he could be a superstar.

We're hoping that he gets the chance to show it, we all agree that Brock deserves to start based on his play, but we're still dreaming about Trey becoming our Josh Allen.

The reality is that the likely scenario is that Brock is healthy and starts week 1 and Trey waits in the wings.

I just don't understand why people need to dance around their opinions on the matter.

The inverse is also true, some, like Krizay, thought Trey would bust, and was a terrible draft pick. They aren't interested in seeing Trey as they believe they have received their confirmation and don't want to see any more Purdy offees a way out for them and they believe our Franchise.

I'd still be very interested how the opinions woild change if it were Brock we traded up for and Trey who was the 7th round pick we expected nothing from. I don't think Kriz would change his opinion but I think many others would.

This isn't entirely true. I never thought he would bust. Not here anyway. Kyle and this offense was never going to allow that. I judged him on our team in our offense. To me he was never a fit for this offense. For the same exact reasons NY says SD isn't a fit for this offense. I by no means think he's a bust. I just don't think he has anything special about him and his weaknesses is my top criteria I look for in a QB. While also being some of the top things to run Kyle's offense especially as currently constructed.

As for the draft position swap if you will, my mind would change slightly for Trey. Because it wouldn't have been a stupid swing like I feel this was. Hell if we stayed at 13 or wherever and he and Mac was on the board and they chose him over Mac that wouldn't have stung as bad. Because it's literally just a lottery ticket. I could understand it better. Taking out a loan to the play the lottery is where I do think a lot of the Trey "hate" stems from.

As for the Brock portion of this imaginary swap. I wouldn't have wanted to trade up for him either. However if he played the way he played last year, that sting would have lessened by A LOT!

To be fair that's most of what I thought, you're much less emotional than some on the subject, and I also understand your QB philosophy and your opinion that Kyle and the team just needs efficiency. I'm devasted Brock got injured when he did, because I still see the scenario when you come up against an on form Mahomes or an Allen and you just can't stop them for a period of the game, I still don't know if Brock can match that and I think we'd have got a better indication of that had he beaten the Eagles and then faced Mahomes. I'm not saying he can't get there but I'm just not sure he will, he'd literally have to become Brees like with his anticipation and accuracy, that's a huge ask.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Lance, if he starts week one and to be safe let's just say he starts the first two or three games, he might look pretty bad because that Pittsburgh pass rush and defense is top-five. So I hope he gets a chance after the first week to show his stuff.

Our team has been notoriously bad WK1 regardless of who's the QB. Kinda how Kyle rolls

Very true but what I'm saying is it's going to happen that our quarterback is going to do poorly by his own right not so much the offense as a whole because he's going up against a great defense. That's going to suck for his chances going forward unlike if he played an easier team on defense like the Rams or the Cardinals.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Kyle's offenses always seem to do poorly in week 1. I saw somewhere that as an OC and as an HC, his offenses have averaged 17 points a game in week 1.

See above

Originally posted by krizay:
This isn't entirely true. I never thought he would bust. Not here anyway. Kyle and this offense was never going to allow that. I judged him on our team in our offense. To me he was never a fit for this offense. For the same exact reasons NY says SD isn't a fit for this offense. I by no means think he's a bust. I just don't think he has anything special about him and his weaknesses is my top criteria I look for in a QB. While also being some of the top things to run Kyle's offense especially as currently constructed.

As for the draft position swap if you will, my mind would change slightly for Trey. Because it wouldn't have been a stupid swing like I feel this was. Hell if we stayed at 13 or wherever and he and Mac was on the board and they chose him over Mac that wouldn't have stung as bad. Because it's literally just a lottery ticket. I could understand it better. Taking out a loan to the play the lottery is where I do think a lot of the Trey "hate" stems from.

As for the Brock portion of this imaginary swap. I wouldn't have wanted to trade up for him either. However if he played the way he played last year, that sting would have lessened by A LOT!

that is a great way to put it

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
😂 that was not a loaded question….was pretty straight forward. Only asking because the more time that goes along the more it is clear Purdy is not a QB you believe in, which I see you did conform today.

I mean I've stated that multiple times. I don't know if he's the elite guy long-term. There could be a regression to the mean. He should also get the first shot at it (if he can play) I got no problem changing my opinion as more data/film are presented.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Deny that you want Trey to become the guy we thought we drafted and to overtake Brock at some point

I would think everyone would want Lance to be the guy because that means he's playing better than Brock, who was playing pretty well. I just think his upside is much greater…doesn't mean anything if he can't play though.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
To be fair that's most of what I thought, you're much less emotional than some on the subject, and I also understand your QB philosophy and your opinion that Kyle and the team just needs efficiency. I'm devasted Brock got injured when he did, because I still see the scenario when you come up against an on form Mahomes or an Allen and you just can't stop them for a period of the game, I still don't know if Brock can match that and I think we'd have got a better indication of that had he beaten the Eagles and then faced Mahomes. I'm not saying he can't get there but I'm just not sure he will, he'd literally have to become Brees like with his anticipation and accuracy, that's a huge ask.

My coworker is from Philly. Obviously a huge Eagles fan. I told him the same thing. It's not the loss that passes me off. It's not seeing Brock in that environment. Even if this happens in the 3rd quarter for crying out loud.

To me, he played EXACTLY how we want Trey to play. We seen it for 8 games. So to me, Trey has waaaaay further to go to do what you're saying you're not sure Brock can do. The only thing Trey would add over Brock IF he gets to Brock's level is... throwing on run without resetting and QB sneaks. That to me is just adding truffles to your pasta.

Originally posted by krizay:
My coworker is from Philly. Obviously a huge Eagles fan. I told him the same thing. It's not the loss that passes me off. It's not seeing Brock in that environment. Even if this happens in the 3rd quarter for crying out loud.

To me, he played EXACTLY how we want Trey to play. We seen it for 8 games. So to me, Trey has waaaaay further to go to do what you're saying you're not sure Brock can do. The only thing Trey would add over Brock IF he gets to Brock's level is... throwing on run without resetting and QB sneaks. That to me is just adding truffles to your pasta.

He played like Jimmy who could extend plays in the short-term.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
When do these OTAs end? Heard he's going back to Dallas to work with Christianson again which is great to hear

49ers offseason workout dates
Rookie minicamp: May 12-13
Organized team activities: May 22-23, May 25, May 30-May 31, June 2, June 5-6, June 8
Mandatory minicamp: June 13-15
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-offseason-schedule-2023-minicamp-ota-dates-announced

Purdy will start to throw next week, I just hope they don't stress the elbow and have Purdy get a setback. The competition between Trey and Brock is going to be huge in both their developments. Reminds me a bit of the old legendary days...

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
To be fair that's most of what I thought, you're much less emotional than some on the subject, and I also understand your QB philosophy and your opinion that Kyle and the team just needs efficiency. I'm devasted Brock got injured when he did, because I still see the scenario when you come up against an on form Mahomes or an Allen and you just can't stop them for a period of the game, I still don't know if Brock can match that and I think we'd have got a better indication of that had he beaten the Eagles and then faced Mahomes. I'm not saying he can't get there but I'm just not sure he will, he'd literally have to become Brees like with his anticipation and accuracy, that's a huge ask.

My coworker is from Philly. Obviously a huge Eagles fan. I told him the same thing. It's not the loss that passes me off. It's not seeing Brock in that environment. Even if this happens in the 3rd quarter for crying out loud.

To me, he played EXACTLY how we want Trey to play. We seen it for 8 games. So to me, Trey has waaaaay further to go to do what you're saying you're not sure Brock can do. The only thing Trey would add over Brock IF he gets to Brock's level is... throwing on run without resetting and QB sneaks. That to me is just adding truffles to your pasta.

Well Brock played as well as anyone during his 7 starts. He had the offense rolling better than it ever has. Set numerous NFL/Rookie records. High td%, really good in the redzone, good on third down, efficient offense, top scoring team in the nfl during his starts, didn't even lose a game that he was able to finish.

so I don't understand this kind of doubt. I think is reasonable to question if he can maintain that level play, especially things like the high td%, but he can play at a very high level no doubt.

the main question is if he can continue to adjust, improve, and grow going forward. Teams have a good amount of tape on him now, so they can possibly scheme more effectively against him.

im not concerned at all about him adjusting, he was literally adjusting live infront of us drive to drive, quarter to quarter. He got better as the game went on, that's incredible. Especially for a rookie.

now he gets a whole off season to work on his craft while rehabbing his arm, which you can improve a lot of things without throwing the ball.

i feel like people look at him as smaller than Allen and Mahomes and they think that means he isn't capable of doing what they do? That's nonsense. Lol it may not be as pretty but he has the makings to be a varsity athlete. 😏 haha

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
When do these OTAs end? Heard he's going back to Dallas to work with Christianson again which is great to hear

49ers offseason workout dates
Rookie minicamp: May 12-13
Organized team activities: May 22-23, May 25, May 30-May 31, June 2, June 5-6, June 8
Mandatory minicamp: June 13-15
https://ninernoise.com/posts/49ers-offseason-schedule-2023-minicamp-ota-dates-announced

Purdy will start to throw next week, I just hope they don't stress the elbow and have Purdy get a setback. The competition between Trey and Brock is going to be huge in both their developments. Reminds me a bit of the old legendary days...

When does training camp begin? Has that been announced? I want to calculate how many weeks he will have throwing rehab before it starts. I project 6-7. He will be more than halfway through it before camp even starts

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Deny that you want Trey to become the guy we thought we drafted and to overtake Brock at some point

I would think everyone would want Lance to be the guy because that means he's playing better than Brock, who was playing pretty well. I just think his upside is much greater…doesn't mean anything if he can't play though.

Agree about Trey. Not everybody is a prodigy like Brock. Matt Ryan took almost two years to get the Kyle Shanahan offense, and that was without any injury issues. I have confidence that Kyle can get Trey to Brock's intangible's level. Afterall, he got Purdy to Purdy's level. Like you said, the more Trey will play - the more those intangibles will develop. Super athletic QB's take a bit more time to develop, in my opinion, because they can use their athleticism as a bit of a crutch. Whereas the lesser physically gifted QB's have to develop those intangibles earlier because of their lack of athleticism. We shall see.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He played like Jimmy who could extend plays in the short-term.

Do you think Brock has the talent to become an elite QB in the NFL?

Originally posted by tankle104:
When does training camp begin? Has that been announced? I want to calculate how many weeks he will have throwing rehab before it starts. I project 6-7. He will be more than halfway through it before camp even starts

This is what I have, I think some of the actual dates are TBD.

May 18-21: (Tentative): NFLPA Rookie Premiere, TBD.
May 22-24: Spring League Meeting, TBD.
August 3-6: Hall of Fame Weekend in Canton, Ohio
Sept. 7: NFL Kickoff Game
https://www.49ers.com/news/key-dates-49ers-2023-nfl-offseason-free-agency-draft-combine-contract

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
When does training camp begin? Has that been announced? I want to calculate how many weeks he will have throwing rehab before it starts. I project 6-7. He will be more than halfway through it before camp even starts

This is what I have, I think some of the actual dates are TBD.

May 18-21: (Tentative): NFLPA Rookie Premiere, TBD.
May 22-24: Spring League Meeting, TBD.
August 3-6: Hall of Fame Weekend in Canton, Ohio
Sept. 7: NFL Kickoff Game
https://www.49ers.com/news/key-dates-49ers-2023-nfl-offseason-free-agency-draft-combine-contract

I heard David Lombardi say he thinks it'll start July 26 or 27. Which would be about the time it usually starts.