Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
where is the hypocrisy?

You have defended Jimmy for YEARS. And you wont even acknowledge what Trey had to play with in the Bears game. Its comical. Every time in the past someone said they were tired of the excuses made for Jimmy, you would call it context. Now, you wont afford any of that to Trey Lance. THAT is the definition of hypocrisy.

look I feel we each have different opinions of what makes a good QB, clearly NY wants arm talent, so he clearly wants TL to be the guy over Brock, is how I read his material.

Well then you simply arent understanding what you are reading (which is also something you have shown a pattern of). NY wants the best QB we have to be our guy. He doesnt care who the QB is. He just wants everyone to pump the breaks on Purdy and not write off Lance. Baffles me that you cant understand this. Does he go a little over the top with his wait and see for Purdy at times? Sure. But he just wants the best player to be our QB, something that clearly not everyone on this board does.

He clowned on JG for years, while praising everything Lance, as many have done.

He is not praising everything Lance. Once again, you are so emotional about the topic you simply are not understanding what you are reading.

You may call that hypocrisy, I think you are not correct, and that is not what I would call it. I would call it he has his own football opinions on what he looks for in a QB, and Trey fits that, and BP / JG don't.

That simple.

No. I am calling out YOUR hypocrisy, not his. Dude, you either clearly dont read, dont understand what you are reading, or ignore what you are reading. Its almost comical to see your replies at times.

that bolded has me

If it was up to NY, Lance would be the undisputed starter. Lol

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Never said such a thing. I want whomever can be the best QB long-term. Not settle for safe.

You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

Agreed

Thats the impression I get from his posts as well. Which is perfectly fine, if that's his preference, that's all good. Everyone has their own preference.

id start Purdy over any QB we have. "Potential" is sort of subjective because it depends on how someone evaluated it.. NY puts a lot of credence into physical traits determining potential. I don't. If physical traits determined that - guys like Montana, Bree's, Rodgers etc wouldn't be great. Even peyton manning didn't have great physical tools outside of his height.

Physical traits definitely play a factor but I think it's a minimal one in the big scheme of things. if the QB has adequate height, arm, and mobility, then that's all you really need.

the rest are a ton of intangibles that no one really knows how to measure. I'm also in the school of thought that not all intangibles can be learned. So when you see someone do special stuff, like Purdy did, you ride it until it proves otherwise. That's just my opinion and I'm hoping kyles too. Hahaha

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

What a bunch of b******t. Now we're twisting interpretations of peoples posts for narrative purposes. What a joke

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

look I feel we each have different opinions of what makes a good QB, clearly NY wants arm talent, so he clearly wants TL to be the guy over Brock, is how I read his material.

Well then you simply arent understanding what you are reading (which is also something you have shown a pattern of). NY wants to always be right and rub it in other posters' faces.

Fixed for you.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Never said such a thing. I want whomever can be the best QB long-term. Not settle for safe.

You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

Agreed

Thats the impression I get from his posts as well. Which is perfectly fine, if that's his preference, that's all good. Everyone has their own preference.

id start Purdy over any QB we have. "Potential" is sort of subjective because it depends on how someone evaluated it.. NY puts a lot of credence into physical traits determining potential. I don't. If physical traits determined that - guys like Montana, Bree's, Rodgers etc wouldn't be great. Even peyton manning didn't have great physical tools outside of his height.

Physical traits definitely play a factor but I think it's a minimal one in the big scheme of things. if the QB has adequate height, arm, and mobility, then that's all you really need.

the rest are a ton of intangibles that no one really knows how to measure. I'm also in the school of thought that not all intangibles can be learned. So when you see someone do special stuff, like Purdy did, you ride it until it proves otherwise. That's just my opinion and I'm hoping kyles too. Hahaha

Rodgers is/was one of the most physically gifted QBs of all time. Here's him casually tossing the ball 70 yards+ without his feet being set:

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Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I never said you did.

so who would you start? Assuming all three are healthy?

I said if healthy Brock is the starter like 50 times. Not sure how many more times I need to say it.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Never said such a thing. I want whomever can be the best QB long-term. Not settle for safe.

You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

Agreed

Thats the impression I get from his posts as well. Which is perfectly fine, if that's his preference, that's all good. Everyone has their own preference.

id start Purdy over any QB we have. "Potential" is sort of subjective because it depends on how someone evaluated it.. NY puts a lot of credence into physical traits determining potential. I don't. If physical traits determined that - guys like Montana, Bree's, Rodgers etc wouldn't be great. Even peyton manning didn't have great physical tools outside of his height.

Physical traits definitely play a factor but I think it's a minimal one in the big scheme of things. if the QB has adequate height, arm, and mobility, then that's all you really need.

the rest are a ton of intangibles that no one really knows how to measure. I'm also in the school of thought that not all intangibles can be learned. So when you see someone do special stuff, like Purdy did, you ride it until it proves otherwise. That's just my opinion and I'm hoping kyles too. Hahaha

Rodgers is/was one of the most physically gifted QBs of all time. Here's him casually tossing the ball 70 yards+ without his feet being set:

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Yeah he has a beautiful arm But he's maybe an inch taller than Purdy and isn't like he's super fast? He was pretty mobile when he was younger but it was mainly for buying time, like Purdy.

im talking about physically gifted like height, cannon, fast.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I never said you did.

so who would you start? Assuming all three are healthy?

I said if healthy Brock is the starter like 50 times. Not sure how many more times I need to say it.

But you don't want him to be the starter, right?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I never said you did.

so who would you start? Assuming all three are healthy?

I said if healthy Brock is the starter like 50 times. Not sure how many more times I need to say it.

But you don't want him to be the starter, right?

I'm sure if Lance wins the starting job with his new mechanics the "he can't maintain it once the season starts" folk will be in full support.

Nope its just NY who wants to be right to rub it in people's faces.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

What a bunch of b******t. Now we're twisting interpretations of peoples posts for narrative purposes. What a joke

Come on NY, why do you deny things that are clearly true? I feel the same way, one of the big problems with Trey is that because no one has seen enough of him he's a huge ? because of that people are just falling back to their original opinions on him. Ours along with many others such as 4ML believed (and still do) that he could be a superstar.

We're hoping that he gets the chance to show it, we all agree that Brock deserves to start based on his play, but we're still dreaming about Trey becoming our Josh Allen.

The reality is that the likely scenario is that Brock is healthy and starts week 1 and Trey waits in the wings.

I just don't understand why people need to dance around their opinions on the matter.

The inverse is also true, some, like Krizay, thought Trey would bust, and was a terrible draft pick. They aren't interested in seeing Trey as they believe they have received their confirmation and don't want to see any more Purdy offees a way out for them and they believe our Franchise.

I'd still be very interested how the opinions woild change if it were Brock we traded up for and Trey who was the 7th round pick we expected nothing from. I don't think Kriz would change his opinion but I think many others would.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

What a bunch of b******t. Now we're twisting interpretations of peoples posts for narrative purposes. What a joke

Smokey:^^

Also Smokey: "It's a hell of a lot easier to simplify or misappropriate somebody else's argument than it is to address it substantively."

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You don't have to say it word for word for it to come through clearly in your posts.

You don't want the best QB to start. You want who you feel has the highest potential to start. Your opinion is clearly that that player is Lance on this team.

It is effectively the exact same thing as what Tankle is saying.

What a bunch of b******t. Now we're twisting interpretations of peoples posts for narrative purposes. What a joke

Come on NY, why do you deny things that are clearly true? I feel the same way, one of the big problems with Trey is that because no one has seen enough of him he's a huge ? because of that people are just falling back to their original opinions on him. Ours along with many others such as 4ML believed (and still do) that he could be a superstar.

We're hoping that he gets the chance to show it, we all agree that Brock deserves to start based on his play, but we're still dreaming about Trey becoming our Josh Allen.

The reality is that the likely scenario is that Brock is healthy and starts week 1 and Trey waits in the wings.

I just don't understand why people need to dance around their opinions on the matter.

The inverse is also true, some, like Krizay, thought Trey would bust, and was a terrible draft pick. They aren't interested in seeing Trey as they believe they have received their confirmation and don't want to see any more Purdy offees a way out for them and they believe our Franchise.

I'd still be very interested how the opinions woild change if it were Brock we traded up for and Trey who was the 7th round pick we expected nothing from. I don't think Kriz would change his opinion but I think many others would.

Even though I disagree at this time, I don't see any issue with thinking Trey can be a superstar. I'm just curious what it is that you see that I'm not. It's really me just trying to find the difference in our evaluations.

i don't care who anyone likes nor do I judge them. That's their choice. You could want brandon Allen to start for all I care. Lol I don't sit here and go "wow. This guy is a moron for liking X". I'll Rib people just to play around. That's all.

based on our last 6 years, it doesn't really matter who we want, it's who can stay healthy. Hahaha

i was super uncomfortable last year with Lance as the starter and then Brock as the back up (a 7th round rookie). Lol then we resigned Jimmy and I felt better cause we know we can compete with him, even though he has limitations.I really was hoping Lance would ball but his rookie season performance and camp reports really concerned me. He never got a chance to really play besides one game, so it's difficult to know what he is. Once he strings together a couple good games, I'll feel more comfortable. Which I'm sure will eventually happen. I don't consider the Texans game good, I think his stats are much better in that game than his performance.

so for me, I won't be comfortable with him starting until he puts together some good games. When/if he plays, I'll def support him.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Come on NY, why do you deny things that are clearly true? I feel the same way, one of the big problems with Trey is that because no one has seen enough of him he's a huge ? because of that people are just falling back to their original opinions on him. Ours along with many others such as 4ML believed (and still do) that he could be a superstar.

We're hoping that he gets the chance to show it, we all agree that Brock deserves to start based on his play, but we're still dreaming about Trey becoming our Josh Allen.

The reality is that the likely scenario is that Brock is healthy and starts week 1 and Trey waits in the wings.

I just don't understand why people need to dance around their opinions on the matter.

The inverse is also true, some, like Krizay, thought Trey would bust, and was a terrible draft pick. They aren't interested in seeing Trey as they believe they have received their confirmation and don't want to see any more Purdy offees a way out for them and they believe our Franchise.

I'd still be very interested how the opinions woild change if it were Brock we traded up for and Trey who was the 7th round pick we expected nothing from. I don't think Kriz would change his opinion but I think many others would.

This is a good post. My opinion is TL does have a chance to show what he's got, all summer long. He can look every bit a world beater, FQB, on the prax field. Nothing holding him back or stopping him there. Just tear it up each day in prax, make one play after another. I've always felt in a sense, players set the depth chart. If you are so undeniable out there all summer, you will force the hand of KS. Golden opportunity for both QBs with BP sidelined at the moment.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This is a good post. My opinion is TL does have a chance to show what he's got, all summer long. He can look every bit a world beater, FQB, on the prax field. Nothing holding him back or stopping him there. Just tear it up each day in prax, make one play after another. I've always felt in a sense, players set the depth chart. If you are so undeniable out there all summer, you will force the hand of KS. Golden opportunity for both QBs with BP sidelined at the moment.

That's exactly what Brock did. He was so impressive that he convinced the team to eat $2M so he can make the team. They didn't want to lose him and couldn't put him on the practice squad.

it's not always about completing the ball in practice. It's about your reads, how your identifying the defense, are you being aggressive or not, mechanics etc.

for example, sounded like early in OTAs, Lance has been taking a lot more of the short passes and Darnold has been more aggressive (per reports). That kind of stuff all goes into the evaluation, for better or worse. There's good and bad to both.

I've always felt like Lance isn't aggressive as he should be with the ball, especially with the arm he has, I hope he works on that. It's one of the reasons why I say he has a game manager mentality, that's how he played in college (that's the system there). Then the defense had to ask him to be more aggressive and take chances. I'm hoping he works through that this off season. He has the velocity on his throws to make those ridiculous aggressive chunk plays.