Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not saying it's impossible, but we will lose some things. It's why drafting is so important.

we kind of have to accept that whoever we resigns will be in the $50M+ range. That's a lot of salary cap and the cap isn't rising nearly enough to make it a wash.

I sure hope not. Only 2 QBs I'd pay more than 35

Same here but every half way decent qb is getting $40M+ now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude act like we can replace all-pro TE/RB/WRs like nothing….toss in an all-pro LT that's not gonna be here much longer.

It's going to be very difficult and honestly, I think unlikely. Especially as a lot of our core guys are aging. Football careers don't last too long, especially the level they're playing at. I'd say we have 3-4 more years of comfort regarding a lot of our current stars and then we are in trouble.

we just need to keep drafting well, which is easier said then done. Lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The amount of "context" he has used for Jimmy over the years and is now doing for Darnold are called excuses or are ignored for Trey Lance. It is truly remarkable how hypocritical he is, and continues to be

It's baffling

Sometimes it's a lot simpler than people having agendas. In my experience, sometimes people tend to argue for the mere sport of it and will go to absurd lengths to be "right" or at least keep the argument going.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude act like we can replace all-pro TE/RB/WRs like nothing….toss in an all-pro LT that's not gonna be here much longer.

You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude act like we can replace all-pro TE/RB/WRs like nothing….toss in an all-pro LT that's not gonna be here much longer.

You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

Don't worry, we have enough draft capital to trade for all of the 5th round picks next year.

Originally posted by tankle104:
To me, a big factor in wanting to see if Purdy can sustain it is that ALL he did was play at a very high level, even in the playoffs. His consistency was remarkable. His ability to adjust and adapt on the fly, with no NFL experience and barely any reps (0 first team). His off schedule ability,

Those kind of plays you posted above are awesome. It's part of shanahans system though. So Kyle deserves credit, the players deserve credit, but so does the qb. It's not a play they make on their own or off schedule but they still usually have to move linebackers/safeties with their eyes etc.

to me, it's just important to have someone who can consistently hit plays in all aspects of the game, specifically the red zone. If Purdy cant do that this upcoming season and is seriously struggling - let's see if Lance can.

Those plays are scheme generated with players around him executing. Not really amazing QBing at all

those plays happen because of consistency from everyone else not really Brock. There's better plays to show from him…but I'm not giving him a ton of credit for those plays. No one would for Lance that's for damn sure.

Purdy hasn't hit all aspect of the game. Overall he's been fairly similar to Jimmy. Spray charts back that up (actually very bad throwing to the right side). He does bring the element of moving behind the LOS which was something we've all been screaming for and even the Jimmy truthers said it mattered after the fact.

There were plenty of balls that could have gone the other way and the ball just didn't bounce right for the other team…we can't count on that going the same way going forward. Now he's got basically a full off season of working on getting healthy instead of football improvement.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I can't speak for others, but speaking for myself, McNair was a beast. He had the crap beat out of him regularly and still made plays. He outplayed his circumstances, and you would only know that if you watched a lot of him. I loved watching him play and would always tune in to see what he'd do next. He was a bonafide playmaker. You don't get your number retired without being a special player. His MVP year was DEFINITELY NOT a joke.

He had a couple good receiving weapons in Wycheck and Derrick Mason, but neither were superstars or TD major red zone threats. Mason was very very good for a long time, extremely underrated IMO. But the year TEN went to the Super Bowl, their leading receiver was Dyson with barely over 650 yds. Again, I always felt McNair played above the caliber of team that was around him,

This year McNair missed 5 games only had 2100 passing with 12 tds and 8 ints. He actually got outplayed (statistically speaking) by Neil O'Donnell 1300 10-5 in only half the games.

That said mofo was tough as nails. I actually remember a coworker of mine saying... "if I hear them call McNair a warrior one more time....."

I do remember that. McNair I fully agree isn't a HOF QB, but he had a very good career as one of the top dual threat QBs in that era.

I'm probably, well we're all probably getting a bit off topic, but the point is more that I still think Trey has a great chance to have a career with multiple pro bowls in his future. I believe in the kid a ton. It's just my opinion. Even if I didn't believe in him, I'd have to be willing to say either way, I haven't seen anything yet to say for sure he's gonna go one way or the other at this point.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude act like we can replace all-pro TE/RB/WRs like nothing….toss in an all-pro LT that's not gonna be here much longer.

You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

I really like the Willis guy we drafted. He needs a good year to get comfy in the system and bulk up - but I think he's the best offensive weapon we drafted this year.

i originally thought Bell wouldn't make the team this year but I think he's going to be the big surprise this year now. He seems super reliable, I just wish he was faster but I think he would be awesome for the redzone and third down. Him and Luter may give us the most impact immediately.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The amount of "context" he has used for Jimmy over the years and is now doing for Darnold are called excuses or are ignored for Trey Lance. It is truly remarkable how hypocritical he is, and continues to be

where is the hypocrisy? look I feel we each have different opinions of what makes a good QB, clearly NY wants arm talent, so he clearly wants TL to be the guy over Brock, is how I read his material. He clowned on JG for years, while praising everything Lance, as many have done. You may call that hypocrisy, I think you are not correct, and that is not what I would call it. I would call it he has his own football opinions on what he looks for in a QB, and Trey fits that, and BP / JG don't.

That simple.

Originally posted by krizay:
You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

Yeah Deebo is a normal talent lol. CMC is a normal talent. One of the best YAC WRs we've seen ever and a RB that literally transformed our offense. Easy Peezy. And as far as Kittle he's not getting younger and Trent almost retired. It's cool we can toss in Latu and Moore and keep the ball moving lol. Money or not you can't just replace those guys.

thinking about paying Brock $50M per 🤮

Jimmy G all over again

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

Yeah Deebo is a normal talent lol. CMC is a normal talent. One of the best YAC WRs we've seen ever and a RB that literally transformed our offense. Easy Peezy. And as far as Kittle he's not getting younger and Trent almost retired. It's cool we can toss in Latu and Moore and keep the ball moving lol. Money or not you can't just replace those guys.

thinking about paying Brock $50M per 🤮

Jimmy G all over again

I'm old enough to remember when you posted we don't need CMC cuz we have Jeff Wilson Jr

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I can't speak for others, but speaking for myself, McNair was a beast. He had the crap beat out of him regularly and still made plays. He outplayed his circumstances, and you would only know that if you watched a lot of him. I loved watching him play and would always tune in to see what he'd do next. He was a bonafide playmaker. You don't get your number retired without being a special player. His MVP year was DEFINITELY NOT a joke.

He had a couple good receiving weapons in Wycheck and Derrick Mason, but neither were superstars or TD major red zone threats. Mason was very very good for a long time, extremely underrated IMO. But the year TEN went to the Super Bowl, their leading receiver was Dyson with barely over 650 yds. Again, I always felt McNair played above the caliber of team that was around him,

This year McNair missed 5 games only had 2100 passing with 12 tds and 8 ints. He actually got outplayed (statistically speaking) by Neil O'Donnell 1300 10-5 in only half the games.

That said mofo was tough as nails. I actually remember a coworker of mine saying... "if I hear them call McNair a warrior one more time....."

I do remember that. McNair I fully agree isn't a HOF QB, but he had a very good career as one of the top dual threat QBs in that era.

I'm probably, well we're all probably getting a bit off topic, but the point is more that I still think Trey has a great chance to have a career with multiple pro bowls in his future. I believe in the kid a ton. It's just my opinion. Even if I didn't believe in him, I'd have to be willing to say either way, I haven't seen anything yet to say for sure he's gonna go one way or the other at this point.

I think Trey has the fixings for a very good qb in this league. I really do. Some think I hate him, which I don't, I just am very weary of thinking he can do anything until it's seen. For me personally, he doesn't have any tape in his life that makes me think he is "special".

and I think that's the biggest disconnect between someone like myself and NY. I don't want a "damn good" qb. I think we had that in Jimmy (maybe not as good as McNair but still damn good).

i want the next "Special" QB. I want a guy that when the top 5 guys in the league are talked about, he's in the Convo. Where teams desire to get someone of his caliber. Someone who will be in the HOF. A guy that plays at the level of Brees/Young/Montana/Manning/Rodgers etc.
those legitimate greats that are franchise QBs.

Can Lance get there? Idk. None of us do. I have no issue with some thinking he can/will. I genuinely hope he does if he ends up starting for us. I just feel like I have a lot more reasons to question if he can than to believe he can, at this point. I just want to see Lance in tough football situations that he hasn't been in before. Which isn't necessarily his fault but until I see those, I'm skeptical.

the big thing that I really like about Lance and Purdy, and I feel like this gets often overlooked by fans in general, is their character. I think both guys have the right mental makeup. I think Purdy is ahead right now in leadership because of his experience, but I also think Lance can get there once he plays more. It's hard to find any qb with the mental makeup they have, it's super cool that we have two.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Please point to a time where Jimmy had 13 passing touchdowns over a 5.5 game stretch. Please point to a time where we were averaging well over 30 points a game with Jimmy over a 5.5 game stretch. No, we have absolutely not seen the same s**t with Jimmy.

I get you not wanting to crown Purdy. I totally do. There is nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. But you are going the other direction a bit now.

He had 8 TDs and zero INTs completed 73.5% of his passes with 113.5 QB rating his last 4 games with CMC.

How much credit to you give the QBs for TDs like this?

Brock Purdy to Deebo Samuel for the 74-yard TD! LFG! #49ers pic.twitter.com/16mmv1K38Y

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) January 15, 2023

Throwback to Brock Purdy and George Kittle destroying the Seahawks.
Longest TD by a TE in 2022 pic.twitter.com/ahfJ6YFzvo

— 49erscast (@49erscast1) May 18, 2023

Brock Purdy ➡️ Christian McCaffrey

Brock sets a franchise record for most TD passes in a season by a rookie. #49ers pic.twitter.com/lkDY51DhYr

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) January 8, 2023

Im not saying Jimmy doesn't do a lot of the same stuff, but come on.

All I just read was: "no, Jimmy has never had 13 touchdown passes in 5.5 games while leading our offense to over 30 points per game."

You can try again, if you would like.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

Yeah Deebo is a normal talent lol. CMC is a normal talent. One of the best YAC WRs we've seen ever and a RB that literally transformed our offense. Easy Peezy. And as far as Kittle he's not getting younger and Trent almost retired. It's cool we can toss in Latu and Moore and keep the ball moving lol. Money or not you can't just replace those guys.

thinking about paying Brock $50M per 🤮

Jimmy G all over again

Replacing deebo and CMC will be ridiculously difficult.

What makes deebo so damn good is that he is a great FOOTBALL player, and a really good WR. He's so versatile, and good at other positions, tough, strong etc that he adds a whole other element to the offense and puts pressure on a defense in any lineup, whether he gets the ball or not. It's really cool.

CMC is just a great all around RB and is great at all aspects of being a RB. He's probably the closest player to Marshall Faulk I've seen. When one player can do that, it transforms your offense in a special way. The flexibility it gives an offense, the pressure it puts in a defense, and most importantly - the security blanket it provides a QB. He's the perfect fit for kyles system. We traded a lot but it was super worth it

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol right? The whole completion % is a joke of a stat anyway. Drew demolished the numbers and a massive reason was because of the screen game and the use of his slot WRs. The coach called plays to their personnel and QB. Wild move on Sean Payton lol.

Next people are gonna tell me John Elway sucks because his career competition was 57%. Brett Favre is barely a 60% passer. Man I'd hate it if Lance ever became those guys lol (not saying that he will).

I'm also not saying beating teams with "a million paper cuts" is bad. You do need everyone to execute to make those plays turn into something. Having the ability to knock someone out at any moment isn't a bad tool to have in the tool belt.

When we start losing personnel or guys get hurt and their backups can't execute to the same level…then what? Like Crocker said you don't NEED speed until you do. Same s**t applies at the QB position. We need Lance to hit those layups like Brock and Jimmy can. Once that's a thing then you can start cooking. Will that ever be a thing? I don't know. Gotta play to see and I think kyle has made his mind up. He will go with the safe layups vs the upside. Kinda been his MO IMO you want to beat the heavyweights you gotta have more.

Arguments comparing stats from different eras are bad. Until they aren't.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
You really don't read what I write. Deebo and CMC only ones I said we could replace. CMC by committee and I thought we should traded Deebo last year personally. We'll assuming we got a good offer we apparently didn't get.

Kittle is going to be the tough one when his time comes. Trent will be gone by the time we have to pay Brock regardless.

Yeah Deebo is a normal talent lol. CMC is a normal talent. One of the best YAC WRs we've seen ever and a RB that literally transformed our offense. Easy Peezy. And as far as Kittle he's not getting younger and Trent almost retired. It's cool we can toss in Latu and Moore and keep the ball moving lol. Money or not you can't just replace those guys.

thinking about paying Brock $50M per 🤮

Jimmy G all over again

I'm old enough to remember when you posted we don't need CMC cuz we have Jeff Wilson Jr