Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
100%

He also had mediocre offensive coaching throughout his whole tenure.

so, does that matter now?

Context matters to all QBs except Trey Lance... we've been through this.

TL has had unreal offensive coaching his entire pro career imo, do you disagree?

"His entire pro career" is a funny way to say "three games", do you disagree?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TL has had unreal offensive coaching his entire pro career imo, do you disagree?

He's played 3 full f**king games lol. And one of them he completed 70% of his passes, had 250 yards with a couple TDs and a 113.5 QB rating. I don't care what rebuttal you make on the Bears game it was a mess both playing wise from everyone and on the field. The broadcast had to make digital lines because the field was so bad. No Kittle no CMC no Mitchell. That seems to matter for everyone else but him to you.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He just has to be a good passer and hit the layups that Brock and Jimmy did.

if what Brock did was elite, what would you call what Kirk has done the past 4 yrs? Jimmy has done the same s**t over similar stretches of games….not a f**king soul is calling them elite.

Trey hasn't played football to say anything. Dude has finished 3 games lol. One in a monsoon where the whole team stunk, one where he competed 70% of his passes for 250 yards a couple TDs and a 116 QB rating, and his first start which was just weird all around. The only truth is he can't stay healthy and that's gotta be taken care of…s**t Brock can't even stay on the field.

Please point to a time where Jimmy had 13 passing touchdowns over a 5.5 game stretch. Please point to a time where we were averaging well over 30 points a game with Jimmy over a 5.5 game stretch. No, we have absolutely not seen the same s**t with Jimmy.

I get you not wanting to crown Purdy. I totally do. There is nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. But you are going the other direction a bit now.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
IDK about you guys, but I cannot wait until we can actually discuss and criticize Lance's practice film/preseason games.

This has been a long offseason of .

Yup!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
100%

He also had mediocre offensive coaching throughout his whole tenure.

so, does that matter now?

yeah despite that he won an MVP, had multiple pro-bowls, got his number retired and was a yard away from winning a Super Bowl. People are poo pooing him for doing all this despite the crap around him. He wasn't playing like Sam Darnold if that's what you're trying or imply.

I've noticed ppl are highly negative of Sam, yet the major upgrade in bottom of the league coaching, to maybe NFL best, it's a major reason why he signed with SF, and a reason why we can be hopeful for improvement.

No just coaching matters, but talent on roster, also. He should look a lot better here is my opinion, of course, if he doesn't, it's no harm no foul, we didn't sell the farm to acquire Sam Darnold.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TL has had unreal offensive coaching his entire pro career imo, do you disagree?

He's played 3 full f**king games lol. And one of them he completed 70% of his passes, had 250 yards with a couple TDs and a 113.5 QB rating. I don't care what rebuttal you make on the Bears game it was a mess both playing wise from everyone and on the field. The broadcast had to make digital lines because the field was so bad. No Kittle no CMC no Mitchell. That seems to matter for everyone else but him to you.

The amount of "context" he has used for Jimmy over the years and is now doing for Darnold are called excuses or are ignored for Trey Lance. It is truly remarkable how hypocritical he is, and continues to be

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Please point to a time where Jimmy had 13 passing touchdowns over a 5.5 game stretch. Please point to a time where we were averaging well over 30 points a game with Jimmy over a 5.5 game stretch. No, we have absolutely not seen the same s**t with Jimmy.

I get you not wanting to crown Purdy. I totally do. There is nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. But you are going the other direction a bit now.

He had 8 TDs and zero INTs completed 73.5% of his passes with 113.5 QB rating his last 4 games with CMC.

How much credit to you give the QBs for TDs like this?




Im not saying Jimmy doesn't do a lot of the same stuff, but come on.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You guys have to realize that we won't have this roster when Brock and Lance reach their primes. We will have to pay them and that'll cripple the team talent wise. We will have to let a lot of guys walk and can't resign them.

you can't think that this team will always be the way it is. It's only this way cause we aren't paying a qb yet.

We have to find a qb who can elevate everyone around them to be better, especially lesser talent. If we want any form of sustained success. We will end up depending on a lot of young guys on their first contract or cheap vets in the next four to five years. It's just the nature of the salary cap. Essentially the reason why the eagles let so many guys walk this year. Now they're depending on a lot of young guys to step in that they've been drafting.

doesn't mean the roster won't be good but that's a difficult thing to do. Especially since a lot of guys take 2-3 years to reach their ability.

we won't be able to pay WR, TE, LB, DT, DE, RB etc top dollar the way we are now. It's why it's so imperative that we do whatever we can to win NOW. Cause when that window closes, we will still compete but it'll be a different team and a ton more pressure on the qb.

BUT you don't have to lose all of them. Right now we are paying 10mil for backup QB. 25 mil for Deebo, 10 mil for CMC and by the time Purdy gets paid GK won't be at his 15 mil salary.

So we'd save 5ish by giving BA 20ish and letting Deebo go. 10 from the backup QB. while CMC jumped started our offense I BELIEVE we could have a stable of RBs in 3 years that we could get by with. With one guy as a receiving abilities. We'd just have to use multiple guys instead of one. So there's another 10ish.

We're up to 25 by downgrading WR2 and using RBBC.

Then there's Kittle's 15ish million. This is going to be the killer. Finding a TE to replace him. I feel like we started down that path this draft.

Throw in salary cap increase and I don't think it'll be that bad. So long as we draft well

I'm not saying it's impossible, but we will lose some things. It's why drafting is so important.

we kind of have to accept that whoever we resigns will be in the $50M+ range. That's a lot of salary cap and the cap isn't rising nearly enough to make it a wash.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The amount of "context" he has used for Jimmy over the years and is now doing for Darnold are called excuses or are ignored for Trey Lance. It is truly remarkable how hypocritical he is, and continues to be

It's baffling

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

The amount of "context" he has used for Jimmy over the years and is now doing for Darnold are called excuses or are ignored for Trey Lance. It is truly remarkable how hypocritical he is, and continues to be

It's baffling

It's comical

Originally posted by krizay:
BUT you don't have to lose all of them. Right now we are paying 10mil for backup QB. 25 mil for Deebo, 10 mil for CMC and by the time Purdy gets paid GK won't be at his 15 mil salary.

So we'd save 5ish by giving BA 20ish and letting Deebo go. 10 from the backup QB. while CMC jumped started our offense I BELIEVE we could have a stable of RBs in 3 years that we could get by with. With one guy as a receiving abilities. We'd just have to use multiple guys instead of one. So there's another 10ish.

We're up to 25 by downgrading WR2 and using RBBC.

Then there's Kittle's 15ish million. This is going to be the killer. Finding a TE to replace him. I feel like we started down that path this draft.

Throw in salary cap increase and I don't think it'll be that bad. So long as we draft well

Lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
how about we say 100 passing attempts in two yrs? I know 3 seasons sounds more dramatic, but at least apply context to the situation. OTAs started this week so to say "3 seasons" that's a bit much. Dude has played 3 full games. Some of that was on kyle not letting him play because we were trying to win a SB (and of course didn't win it with Jimmy) and because he can't stay healthy.

you can't say Brock was elite and not say Kirk has been elite. You can't say Brock was elite and not JG when he was playing at the same damn level his last 4 games with CMC.

lol Marino and Warner…yeah yet he's ranked 26th in PFF and I haven't seen a single ranking calling him elite. he's not even in the second tier on any list. The truth is he played damn good on a f**king awesome roster with an elite play caller for a couple games. He's played well beyond what he's ever done in college…like not even close. He had a handful of passes that could have easily went the other way (on only 170 attempts). He had an absurd TD% and very good TDINT ratio. s**t that is never really static as a stat. Could he be the next Brees and maintain those stats or could there be a regression to the mean? Oh and we're not even factoring in a massive injury to his throwing arm.

for me I simply don't have enough information for either guy at this point. Brock isn't even gonna have an off season to improve…it's all about getting healthy for him.

I said 3rd year in the league. Which this is. I know saying 3 seasons sound more dramatic but please apply my words when formulating your own context

I can say Kirk's play wasn't elite because to me it wasn't elite. Same with JG. What I saw from Brock in my opinion was elite. It was EXACTLY what you are hoping you get from Trey. Hitting the layups while making plays off structure. Purdy essentially d8d EXACTLY what Trey was supposed to. But because he wasn't supposed to you want to down play it.

Your admiration of other people's list is a you problem. I don't need PFF or my follows on Twitter to rank guys for me. I'm capable of knowing what I like and what I see. You seem to always need the help of the majority to form your opinions/arguments. How you can't see that Brock played exactly as the guy you described we needed prior to the 21 draft is beyond me. Maybe PFF can come up with this list. QBs drafted in 21-22 that played the way NY85 described the 9ers needed. Wonder how high Purdy would rank on that list.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Please point to a time where Jimmy had 13 passing touchdowns over a 5.5 game stretch. Please point to a time where we were averaging well over 30 points a game with Jimmy over a 5.5 game stretch. No, we have absolutely not seen the same s**t with Jimmy.

I get you not wanting to crown Purdy. I totally do. There is nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. But you are going the other direction a bit now.

He had 8 TDs and zero INTs completed 73.5% of his passes with 113.5 QB rating his last 4 games with CMC.

How much credit to you give the QBs for TDs like this?

Brock Purdy to Deebo Samuel for the 74-yard TD! LFG! #49ers pic.twitter.com/16mmv1K38Y

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) January 15, 2023

Throwback to Brock Purdy and George Kittle destroying the Seahawks.
Longest TD by a TE in 2022 pic.twitter.com/ahfJ6YFzvo

— 49erscast (@49erscast1) May 18, 2023

Brock Purdy ➡️ Christian McCaffrey

Brock sets a franchise record for most TD passes in a season by a rookie. #49ers pic.twitter.com/lkDY51DhYr

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) January 8, 2023

Im not saying Jimmy doesn't do a lot of the same stuff, but come on.

To me, a big factor in wanting to see if Purdy can sustain it is that ALL he did was play at a very high level, even in the playoffs. His consistency was remarkable. His ability to adjust and adapt on the fly, with no NFL experience and barely any reps (0 first team). His off schedule ability,

Those kind of plays you posted above are awesome. It's part of shanahans system though. So Kyle deserves credit, the players deserve credit, but so does the qb. It's not a play they make on their own or off schedule but they still usually have to move linebackers/safeties with their eyes etc.

to me, it's just important to have someone who can consistently hit plays in all aspects of the game, specifically the red zone. If Purdy cant do that this upcoming season and is seriously struggling - let's see if Lance can.
if Brock starts week 1, his first five games or so are going to be interesting. Really curious how he does in them. That'll determine a lot

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not saying it's impossible, but we will lose some things. It's why drafting is so important.

we kind of have to accept that whoever we resigns will be in the $50M+ range. That's a lot of salary cap and the cap isn't rising nearly enough to make it a wash.

I sure hope not. Only 2 QBs I'd pay more than 35

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not saying it's impossible, but we will lose some things. It's why drafting is so important.

we kind of have to accept that whoever we resigns will be in the $50M+ range. That's a lot of salary cap and the cap isn't rising nearly enough to make it a wash.

Dude act like we can replace all-pro TE/RB/WRs like nothing….toss in an all-pro LT that's not gonna be here much longer.