Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I can't take the elite stuff from you with the way you talk about Brock in here.

not a damn person would be upset with prime McNair on this roster with Kyle. you clearly don't remember him.

I think it's fair to criticize his overall ability as a passer. But there is also context.

The issue is because of the bias he doesn't get the excuse of Jeff Fisher/Jerry Rhome or Les Steckel or Mike Heimerdinger or a look at his actual weapons. He just didn't develop as a passer because he can't. The "accurate" passers are the only ones that don't develop SOLELY because of coaching and weapons.

I mean if Nick Mullens would just cut down on the interceptions he'd could be an MVP too.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
SteveWallaceHelmet - that's a good way to put it. McNair wasn't elite and I want whoever our qb to be, to be an elite quarterback. That includes Lance. I want us to have greatness at QB.

Agreed. Difference is I think Kyle could've made McNair elite. Jeff Fisher/every OC he had was Bill Bellicheck/Matt Patricia before it was cool to blame lack of development all on the coaching.

It's possible but I can't sit here and play the what if game. You can do that for every player.

"montana wouldn't of been anything without the 49ers/Walsh!"

"marino would of been the best ever if he was here".

"Cam Newton would of been an all time great with a better organization and more talent around him".

its an argument without end because it's fantasy land and we will never know. Lol

was McNair talented? Of course. Super talented. Did he perform on the field at a level where I want Lance to perform? No.

it's not a shot at McNair. I'm saying if Lance replicates what McNair DID! It would be a letdown to me.

now if you want to say he has a similar skill set to McNair and you think that skill set would be better used and exploited here to accomplish more than McNair did, then I'm good with that. I'm just saying if Lance replicates the success McNair had, I would be happy for him, just think it's a letdown cause I don't think McNair was ever elite on the field.

Originally posted by krizay:
Im not sold on Hurts to be honest. Allen is a guy i would be able to get behind. I don't think Tret has Josh's arm or legs. I don't think he would be able to compensate (as far as being a top QB) from not being a good passer. Thus IMO we would be settling with Trey. He doesn't have anything about him that is great. If his mechanics stick and he becomes a very good passer then sure the stronger arm and more athleticism could help him get there.

I say again, the disconnect on Trey is whether or not you believe he can become that very good passer. I for one do not expect these mechanics and such to stick. Even then, he still needs to learn when to get that ball out and trust it.

You've seen Brock play at elite level. You have yet to see Trey do it. But you have hope and belief in Trey based off of draft position and physical attributes. This argument right here is why you of all people should just drop the whole objectivity posts.

He just has to be a good passer and hit the layups that Brock and Jimmy did.

if what Brock did was elite, what would you call what Kirk has done the past 4 yrs? Jimmy has done the same s**t over similar stretches of games….not a f**king soul is calling them elite.

Trey hasn't played football to say anything. Dude has finished 3 games lol. One in a monsoon where the whole team stunk, one where he competed 70% of his passes for 250 yards a couple TDs and a 116 QB rating, and his first start which was just weird all around. The only truth is he can't stay healthy and that's gotta be taken care of…s**t Brock can't even stay on the field.

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's possible but I can't sit here and play the what if game. You can do that for every player.

"montana wouldn't of been anything without the 49ers/Walsh!"

"marino would of been the best ever if he was here".

"Cam Newton would of been an all time great with a better organization and more talent around him".

its an argument without end because it's fantasy land and we will never know. Lol

was McNair talented? Of course. Super talented. Did he perform on the field at a level where I want Lance to perform? No.

it's not a shot at McNair. I'm saying if Lance replicates what McNair DID! It would be a letdown to me.

now if you want to say he has a similar skill set to McNair and you think that skill set would be better used and exploited here to accomplish more than McNair did, then I'm good with that. I'm just saying if Lance replicates the success McNair had, I would be happy for him, just think it's a letdown cause I don't think McNair was ever elite on the field.

Sure. I wouldn't be happy with a carbon copy of McNair. But that skillset paired with Kyle developing him could really be something.

Now obviously if Brock keeps playing like a mobile Drew Brees it may not matter.

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's possible but I can't sit here and play the what if game. You can do that for every player.

"montana wouldn't of been anything without the 49ers/Walsh!"

"marino would of been the best ever if he was here".

"Cam Newton would of been an all time great with a better organization and more talent around him".

its an argument without end because it's fantasy land and we will never know. Lol

was McNair talented? Of course. Super talented. Did he perform on the field at a level where I want Lance to perform? No.

it's not a shot at McNair. I'm saying if Lance replicates what McNair DID! It would be a letdown to me.

now if you want to say he has a similar skill set to McNair and you think that skill set would be better used and exploited here to accomplish more than McNair did, then I'm good with that. I'm just saying if Lance replicates the success McNair had, I would be happy for him, just think it's a letdown cause I don't think McNair was ever elite on the field.

Why can't you? Everyone in here is doing it with s**tty Darnold on the regular….do we think Brock would be playing this well if tossed on the Texans last yr? Highly unlikely. Probably looks more like Davis Millis then whomever ya'll keep trying to comp him to.

Yeah would be a letdown if he played to the level of a league MVP lol.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sure. I wouldn't be happy with a carbon copy of McNair. But that skillset paired with Kyle developing him could really be something.

Now obviously if Brock keeps playing like a mobile Drew Brees it may not matter.

If he thinks McNair would be a letdown then what if Brock isn't Montana or Brees? Surely he can't be a weaker armed Kirk? Or gasp Tony Romo? Massive letdown.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sure. I wouldn't be happy with a carbon copy of McNair. But that skillset paired with Kyle developing him could really be something.

Now obviously if Brock keeps playing like a mobile Drew Brees it may not matter.

If he thinks McNair would be a letdown then what if Brock isn't Montana or Brees? Surely he can't be a weaker armed Kirk? Or gasp Tony Romo? Massive letdown.

waiting for NY to do a BP / Heinicke comp.. or has that been done already?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If he thinks McNair would be a letdown then what if Brock isn't Montana or Brees? Surely he can't be a weaker armed Kirk? Or gasp Tony Romo? Massive letdown.

A fair point

A Steve McNair or Tony Romo wins a SB with this team for sure.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
It's possible but I can't sit here and play the what if game. You can do that for every player.

"montana wouldn't of been anything without the 49ers/Walsh!"

"marino would of been the best ever if he was here".

"Cam Newton would of been an all time great with a better organization and more talent around him".

its an argument without end because it's fantasy land and we will never know. Lol

was McNair talented? Of course. Super talented. Did he perform on the field at a level where I want Lance to perform? No.

it's not a shot at McNair. I'm saying if Lance replicates what McNair DID! It would be a letdown to me.

now if you want to say he has a similar skill set to McNair and you think that skill set would be better used and exploited here to accomplish more than McNair did, then I'm good with that. I'm just saying if Lance replicates the success McNair had, I would be happy for him, just think it's a letdown cause I don't think McNair was ever elite on the field.

Sure. I wouldn't be happy with a carbon copy of McNair. But that skillset paired with Kyle developing him could really be something.

Now obviously if Brock keeps playing like a mobile Drew Brees it may not matter.

Yeah, I'll take a Drew Brees copy over McNair copy 7 different ways to Sunday. McNair best season is like Bree's worst, even in SD Bree's had a better season than McNair mvp year and it's the same era.

that's the kind of qb I want. Someone who's great over a long period of time and competes for super bowls.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why can't you? Everyone in here is doing it with s**tty Darnold on the regular….do we think Brock would be playing this well if tossed on the Texans last yr? Highly unlikely. Probably looks more like Davis Millis then whomever ya'll keep trying to comp him to.

Yeah would be a letdown if he played to the level of a league MVP lol.

His production changes on a lesser team but his individual ability isn't necessarily different. You don't have to downplay what Brock did as an individual because his production was boosted by great talent.

He still picked up the offense fast, protected the football, made good decisions, played with great poise, was an accurate passer, showed ability to improv and extend plays for positive gains or to avoid negative outcomes

give us prime McNair and prime Steve Smith, I don't think we would lose a game, with this roster

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
give us prime McNair and prime Steve Smith, I don't think we would lose a game, with this roster

You guys have to realize that we won't have this roster when Brock and Lance reach their primes. We will have to pay them and that'll cripple the team talent wise. We will have to let a lot of guys walk and can't resign them.

you can't think that this team will always be the way it is. It's only this way cause we aren't paying a qb yet.

We have to find a qb who can elevate everyone around them to be better, especially lesser talent. If we want any form of sustained success. We will end up depending on a lot of young guys on their first contract or cheap vets in the next four to five years. It's just the nature of the salary cap. Essentially the reason why the eagles let so many guys walk this year. Now they're depending on a lot of young guys to step in that they've been drafting.

doesn't mean the roster won't be good but that's a difficult thing to do. Especially since a lot of guys take 2-3 years to reach their ability.

we won't be able to pay WR, TE, LB, DT, DE, RB etc top dollar the way we are now. It's why it's so imperative that we do whatever we can to win NOW. Cause when that window closes, we will still compete but it'll be a different team and a ton more pressure on the qb.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He just has to be a good passer and hit the layups that Brock and Jimmy did.

if what Brock did was elite, what would you call what Kirk has done the past 4 yrs? Jimmy has done the same s**t over similar stretches of games….not a f**king soul is calling them elite.

Trey hasn't played football to say anything. Dude has finished 3 games lol. One in a monsoon where the whole team stunk, one where he competed 70% of his passes for 250 yards a couple TDs and a 116 QB rating, and his first start which was just weird all around. The only truth is he can't stay healthy and that's gotta be taken care of…s**t Brock can't even stay on the field.

3rd year in the league and we are saying he has to be a good passer and hit the layups. You do realize how that sounds right? He has to learn to hit the layups. That is my issue. By the time you're in the NFL that shouldn't be what you have to learn to do. That should be natural.

I would call Kirk's play very good. I personally would put his play above McNairs but to each their own. While Jimmy was playing his best ball last year. IMO on McNairs level I wouldn't say he had elite stretches. Purdy on the other hand was being mentioned with the like Marino and Warner. Guys who IMO played above McNairs levels.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I think it's fair to criticize his overall ability as a passer. But there is also context.

The issue is because of the bias he doesn't get the excuse of Jeff Fisher/Jerry Rhome or Les Steckel or Mike Heimerdinger or a look at his actual weapons. He just didn't develop as a passer because he can't. The "accurate" passers are the only ones that don't develop SOLELY because of coaching and weapons.

I mean if Nick Mullens would just cut down on the interceptions he'd could be an MVP too.

Lol right? The whole completion % is a joke of a stat anyway. Drew demolished the numbers and a massive reason was because of the screen game and the use of his slot WRs. The coach called plays to their personnel and QB. Wild move on Sean Payton lol.

Next people are gonna tell me John Elway sucks because his career competition was 57%. Brett Favre is barely a 60% passer. Man I'd hate it if Lance ever became those guys lol (not saying that he will).

I'm also not saying beating teams with "a million paper cuts" is bad. You do need everyone to execute to make those plays turn into something. Having the ability to knock someone out at any moment isn't a bad tool to have in the tool belt.

When we start losing personnel or guys get hurt and their backups can't execute to the same level…then what? Like Crocker said you don't NEED speed until you do. Same s**t applies at the QB position. We need Lance to hit those layups like Brock and Jimmy can. Once that's a thing then you can start cooking. Will that ever be a thing? I don't know. Gotta play to see and I think kyle has made his mind up. He will go with the safe layups vs the upside. Kinda been his MO IMO you want to beat the heavyweights you gotta have more.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol right? The whole completion % is a joke of a stat anyway. Drew demolished the numbers and a massive reason was because of the screen game and the use of his slot WRs. The coach called plays to their personnel and QB. Wild move on Sean Payton lol.

Next people are gonna tell me John Elway sucks because his career competition was 57%. Brett Favre is barely a 60% passer. Man I'd hate it if Lance ever became those guys lol (not saying that he will).

I'm also not saying beating teams with "a million paper cuts" is bad. You do need everyone to execute to make those plays turn into something. Having the ability to knock someone out at any moment isn't a bad tool to have in the tool belt.

When we start losing personnel or guys get hurt and their backups can't execute to the same level…then what? Like Crocker said you don't NEED speed until you do. Same s**t applies at the QB position. We need Lance to hit those layups like Brock and Jimmy can. Once that's a thing then you can start cooking. Will that ever be a thing? I don't know. Gotta play to see and I think kyle has made his mind up. He will go with the safe layups vs the upside. Kinda been his MO IMO you want to beat the heavyweights you gotta have more.

I think your post detonates itself, when you say KS will go with the safe layups.. you mean the same KS who drafted Trey at 3 overall? Was that a safe layup move?

Ask yourself if he doesn't play, why that is?