Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I perceived it as they view him as the 'leader of the room' or as the QB1 upon his return, which they do

if you want to go in the direction of pretending he's 100% healthy today, which is a whole new convo, that deal makes more sense, but that's simply not where we are now in reality, in a hypothetical maybe..

Brock's a long way off here, I understand he throws soon, but needs 3 months of that before team activity

to edit - I still don't like a TL deal, unless the team is 100% convinced he's a bum.. as long as there is hope for a turnaround, you hold on.. he got hurt last year, now is the time to see the week to week improvement this summer

Even if he's healthy. I don't see how they can just be all in regardless. I mean I guess it depends on how the season ended. Regardless that's not reality and none of these dudes should be looked at as our FQB right now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Ok so when you read the "if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy" what did your brain perceive it as?

How many times has this FO been "all in" or used the word "conviction" only to back out of that stance…especially at QB?

truth is we got a bunch of question marks at QB. IMO none of these guys have some long leash or haven proven enough to be the long-term guy.

Living in a fantasy world here where the FO speaks the truth and Lance has enough value to get Young. No one can argue keeping Lance as a back up would benefit this team more than putting Young opposite of Bosa. The only draw back is his 5th year being declined so you'd have to pony up or enjoy a comp pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

What has Lance done? You a student of football really gonna just post Young's sack total as if that's his entire story. That's disingenuous and you f**king know it

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers Trey Lance says Brock Purdy has earned the "leader in the clubhouse" label and gives a ton of credit to what he accomplished last season

— 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙎𝙁𝙉𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨 (@TheSFNiners) May 23, 2023

and yet people for whatever reason give him all kinds of s**t.

Yep. I also don't understand why people have done that to Brock after the rookie season he's had. Always trying to knock him. Lance understands but a faction of our fan base doesn't.

I really feel like you misinterpret a lot of whats going on, on this board. Or you make sweeping generalizations. People are giving Brock s**t? People are always trying to knock him? Where is this happening?

At worst, I have seen people say that they want to see him prove it over a longer stretch before they crown him. Or that they want to see how he comes back from an injury.

Where are all these people? Was there a single Niner fan that wasnt thrilled with what he did for us last season?

Here we go again." Nobody is doing that". Then I pull up examples and never get a response or a "my bad". Just move on and do it again. Like we are now.

If people said the bold and left it at that it would be fine. That's understandable. Btw, nobody is crowing him. Just discussing his play, which was spectacular. Yet, to see someone put him in canton. Appears like you are making "sweeping generalizations". Where is this happening?

when posters have blamed him for losing the NFCCG because he got injured on a freak play. Then yes that comes across as giving him s**t.

Or when posters say that they he was unimpressive in the playoffs because he didn't shred a top defense like the Cowboys, even though he broke rookie playoff records the week before, then yes that comes across as knocking his play.

Saying that he has a low ceiling due to a weak arm and size, after playIng like an elite QB during his time as a starter, comes across as s**tting/knocking him.

There are more examples that are escaping my mind at the moment.

It's not just here. It's all over twitter as well.

First of all, I couldnt care less about twitter. So if that is where you are pulling this, then its whatever.

When you make a claim that "people" are doing something, the implication is it is happening a lot. So no, you pulling an example is not the same as showing a pattern of people doing what you are claiming.

Nice job putting words in my mouth. Never once did I make the claim that people are putting him in canton. But there are countless people claiming he is the franchise QB of this team, without letting him even complete a season or letting him prove he is the same player as he was before the injury. THAT is what I mean. And I have no problem with people being excited about him or his potential. But when posters have a "wait and see" attitude, they are being labeled as hating or "giving him s**t." Thats why its absurd to say that people are giving him "all kinds of s**t." Because they arent.

Saying Brock wasnt impressive in the playoffs is clearly just in comparison to his regular season. Brock got the job done in the playoffs. He had a great 2nd half against the Seahawks. Again, you call this "giving him all kinds of s**t" when thats clearly not true.

Blamed Brock for the NFCCG loss? Yeah I call major bulls**t on this one.

People have commented on his arm strength. He absolutely doesnt have elite arm strength or anything close to it. But so far, he has proven that he can get the job done at a very high level without it. But now, he is coming back from a major arm injury. Will his already not-elite arm be even worse? Once again, all we can do is wait and see.

Bottom line is, for some posters like you, anything less than glowing reviews are considered hate or giving him s**t....which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

What has Lance done? You a student of football really gonna just post Young's sack total as if that's his entire story. That's disingenuous and you f**king know it

don't get all Hysterikal on us

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
load looks more compact which is good/faster, too hard to tell if he has changed his delivery... wait and see with better video... problem is, when he is not thinking and just reacting is he going to revert to how he always threw the ball... hard to make major changes to the passing motion at his age and be successful

LOL

I'm assuming you disagree with the following opinions based on your "LOL"

1) looks more compact which is good
(appears that way. Don't think it's LOL worthy IMO)
2) will revert when there are live reps
(very possible. Something that is often said in football communities. Again not LOL worthy IMO)
3) hard to make major changes to his passing motion at this stage of his career and be successful
( I know players often tweak stuff here and there during offseason. Or work on cleaning stuff up. Not too familiar with major overhauls in year 3 of NFL career. Well see what happens but again not LOL worthy)

I disagree with the idea that he is going to revert back to his old throwing motion. That is nothing more than a baseless assumption due to the posters hate of the player. We have seen many quarterbacks change their mechanics over the years, but because its Trey Lance, the change in mechanics arent sustainable. Also, "hard to make major changes....at his age and be successful" is an equally laughable claim. A 23 year old is too old to make changes and be successful? I could understand if he was 35, but at 23 we are making that silly claim? So dumb.

Im guessing point #1 is fine and not LOL worthy. Based on your original response it appeared everything he said was LOL.

It's possible that he may revert to his old throwing motion during live reps. Well see though. Not LOL to think it may happen. There is a reason that players and coaches mention waiting til live reps to see if something sticks.

Also, it certainly isn't easy to completely change throwing mechanics year 3 in the NFL. Still disagree that's its LOL worthy.

If they are doing major changes to his mechanics at this stage it's because it's necessary. In Lance case it's arm fatigue and accuracy issues. If he was having none of that then I don't believe they would do such a thing at this stage. Look at Rivers. Left his ugly throwing motion alone because he still getting he job done as he had been doing.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

What has Lance done? You a student of football really gonna just post Young's sack total as if that's his entire story. That's disingenuous and you f**king know it

don't get all Hysterikal on us

Just don't like hypocrisy we will roll out every excuse under the sun for a 49er player but how dare a player with the absolute worst organization have a medical set back after tearing his ACL.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

What has Lance done? You a student of football really gonna just post Young's sack total as if that's his entire story. That's disingenuous and you f**king know it

don't get all Hysterikal on us

Just don't like hypocrisy we will roll out every excuse under the sun for a 49er player but how dare a player with the absolute worst organization have a medical set back after tearing his ACL.

Fair. But QB is different. Lance has done nothing yet, but what if he does? If we were going to do something like that, we should at least wait a month.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

What has Lance done? You a student of football really gonna just post Young's sack total as if that's his entire story. That's disingenuous and you f**king know it

don't get all Hysterikal on us

Just don't like hypocrisy we will roll out every excuse under the sun for a 49er player but how dare a player with the absolute worst organization have a medical set back after tearing his ACL.

Fair. But QB is different. Lance has done nothing yet, but what if he does? If we were going to do something like that, we should at least wait a month.

That's why I said if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. If they are only 95% then you keep Lance. But if Lance is destined to be a back up til he leaves I say get something for him.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Listening to Crocker propose a trade of Lance to the Commies for Chase Young if the FO is 100% sold on Purdy. Ngl that's not a horrible idea

Hmm kind of is to me. Young is unproven, had bad injuries, expensive, and has a year or so left? I'd rather keep Trey as the backup.

id rather have Montez sweat from them and some draft picks

You say unproven yet Lance as a back up is the good idea.

9 sacks in 3 yrs and a FA after this season?

What has Lance done? You a student of football really gonna just post Young's sack total as if that's his entire story. That's disingenuous and you f**king know it

don't get all Hysterikal on us

Just don't like hypocrisy we will roll out every excuse under the sun for a 49er player but how dare a player with the absolute worst organization have a medical set back after tearing his ACL.

Young he was HIM at some point, I believe his rook year so it's an interesting trade to discuss, thanks for sharing.

We have TL under contract going forward, uncertainty at the QB1 spot right now, and we don't really know what we got in Trey.. so for all those reasons..

I'M OUT

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I disagree with the idea that he is going to revert back to his old throwing motion. That is nothing more than a baseless assumption due to the posters hate of the player. We have seen many quarterbacks change their mechanics over the years, but because its Trey Lance, the change in mechanics arent sustainable. Also, "hard to make major changes....at his age and be successful" is an equally laughable claim. A 23 year old is too old to make changes and be successful? I could understand if he was 35, but at 23 we are making that silly claim? So dumb.

Hmmm I wouldn't say it's baseless. It's fair to be cautiously optimistic that he may regress at times when the bullets start flying because it does take a lot to rework your mechanics. Most players have to refine their mechanics every year because they typically degrade as the season goes on in some capacity, not much, but some. It's a big reason why most QBs train them some in the off season.

Kyle: "No, I think when you spend four months trying to re-correct, everything's about muscle memory and how you develop things through repetition.."
so it is real that it probably isn't set in stone since he just did it a month or two ago. Steve young woukd say it takes like 10k reps before it's really stuck. It's like fixing your posture. It takes a little while and it's easy to go back to poor posture without noticing it

now I agree it isn't a major concern. For me personally, I just want to see it in a game before I get too excited. I do expect him to maintain it in a game and I think he will.

i don't think it's more wild than someone saying Purdy is going to regress or be "figured out".

all of it's possible. Some on here just say it as cautiously optimistic, like myself. I think Lance will hold it together. There are some though that press on it because they prefer one QB over another.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Im guessing point #1 is fine and not LOL worthy. Based on your original response it appeared everything he said was LOL.

It's possible that he may revert to his old throwing motion during live reps. Well see though. Not LOL to think it may happen. There is a reason that players and coaches mention waiting til live reps to see if something sticks.

Also, it certainly isn't easy to completely change throwing mechanics year 3 in the NFL. Still disagree that's its LOL worthy.

If they are doing major changes to his mechanics at this stage it's because it's necessary. In Lance case it's arm fatigue and accuracy issues. If he was having none of that then I don't believe they would do such a thing at this stage. Look at Rivers. Left his ugly throwing motion alone because he still getting he job done as he had been doing.

The first part of his post was fine, and accurate....but he wasnt making a point about it. His points were all negative and all massive assumptions. Thats why they were LOL worthy. He has absolutely no idea if what he was saying is accurate. You are right, it is possible he reverts back. But he said he WILL revert back as if its some sort of indisputable fact, when its a guess.

And again, you guys are acting like he is in his 30s. It is SUBSTANTIALLY easier to change mechanics as a 23 year old as it is when he is older. Thats why I think its ridiculous to say "at his age" or "at this stage" because he is still incredibly young and raw.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I disagree with the idea that he is going to revert back to his old throwing motion. That is nothing more than a baseless assumption due to the posters hate of the player. We have seen many quarterbacks change their mechanics over the years, but because its Trey Lance, the change in mechanics arent sustainable. Also, "hard to make major changes....at his age and be successful" is an equally laughable claim. A 23 year old is too old to make changes and be successful? I could understand if he was 35, but at 23 we are making that silly claim? So dumb.

Hmmm I wouldn't say it's baseless. It's fair to be cautiously optimistic that he may regress at times when the bullets start flying because it does take a lot to rework your mechanics. Most players have to refine their mechanics every year because they typically degrade as the season goes on in some capacity, not much, but some. It's a big reason why most QBs train them some in the off season.

Kyle: "No, I think when you spend four months trying to re-correct, everything's about muscle memory and how you develop things through repetition.."
so it is real that it probably isn't set in stone since he just did it a month or two ago. Steve young woukd say it takes like 10k reps before it's really stuck. It's like fixing your posture. It takes a little while and it's easy to go back to poor posture without noticing it

now I agree it isn't a major concern. For me personally, I just want to see it in a game before I get too excited. I do expect him to maintain it in a game and I think he will.

i don't think it's more wild than someone saying Purdy is going to regress or be "figured out".

all of it's possible. Some on here just say it as cautiously optimistic, like myself. I think Lance will hold it together. There are some though that press on it because they prefer one QB over another.

I dont really disagree with anything you said. I just have an issue with someone making definitive claims like they have a crystal ball. He doesnt like Lance, therefore he WILL revert back to his old mechanics. Thats my issue.

Could he revert back? Absolutely. Should anyone be able to say he will with absolute confidence like the poster did? Absolutely not.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

load looks more compact which is good/faster, too hard to tell if he has changed his delivery... wait and see with better video... problem is, when he is not thinking and just reacting is he going to revert to how he always threw the ball... hard to make major changes to the passing motion at his age and be successful

You have no idea what he will revert to. That's a wait and see

Maybe Trey and Brock will both continue to play to their means or improve on their means.