Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what post are you talking about, who hurt you?

if you got a issue with a post let's see the post, so we can discuss

Take your pick of every krizay post of the last year. Hell just look in the Darnold thread today.

Not about hurt. It's about weirdly obsessed fans over a kid with 4 starts.

He legit posted on 5GRs thing, there is a difference between hope and expectation. That's my point I am making. NY is down on the Moody pick, I am not gonna question his fandom.. clearly he loves the 49ers, and he hopes Moody does well. He simply feels there was more value to be had at that slot in the draft. Everyone kinda expects Kinlaw to suck, but we all hope he does great. I hope Lance becomes better than Mahomes personally, that's how everyone feels most likely, and there are a bunch of different expectations about what will actually play out..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He legit posted on 5GRs thing, there is a difference between hope and expectation. That's my point I am making. NY is down on the Moody pick, I am not gonna question his fandom.. clearly he loves the 49ers, and he hopes Moody does well. He simply feels there was more value to be had at that slot in the draft. Everyone kinda expects Kinlaw to suck, but we all hope he does great. I hope Lance becomes better than Mahomes personally, that's how everyone feels most likely, and there are a bunch of different expectations about what will actually play out..

And if NY was making every draft related thread about the bad pick of Moody even when it's not relevant to the actual posts itd be weird and id question him wanting him to succeed. It'd be weirdly obsessive. Almost like he wanted Moody to fail to show how right he was.

Hell the joke in that thread was when a kick of Moodys doesn't go thru the uprights perfectly there'd be a comment from NY. That's ACTUALLY happening with Trey.

Originally posted by krizay:
Bring him in for the QB sneaks. The one area BP looked God awful

He was God awful in stepping up in the pocket also

Originally posted by tommyncal:

Originally posted by krizay:
Bring him in for the QB sneaks. The one area BP looked God awful

He was God awful in stepping up in the pocket also

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And if NY was making every draft related thread about the bad pick of Moody even when it's not relevant to the actual posts itd be weird and id question him wanting him to succeed. It'd be weirdly obsessive. Almost like he wanted Moody to fail to show how right he was.

Hell the joke in that thread was when a kick of Moodys doesn't go thru the uprights perfectly there'd be a comment from NY. That's ACTUALLY happening with Trey.

Yeah man I want Moody to be the best kicker the league has ever had. I thought it was an arrogant pick all the same. You can't tell me we're completely set across the OL or we couldn't use more edge help. s**t I thought the Latu pick was a bit aggressive. IMO that was a reach overall. They could have moved up a couple spots for Darnell Washington. Is what it is now.

A kicker doesn't get the chance to develop like other positions. You don't get to miss a bunch of FGs and keep your job. The mental side of it is hard to evaluate. Plain and simple. We're a SB roster with a rookie kicker. I mean you'd think they would want some steady vet with playoff experience?

I'm not actively rooting against a kicker lol. Anyone thinking that needs to go take a TO from here. That's dumb s**t. I simply said it was a ridiculous pick. I don't hate the player or anything. I want him to be good…agreed perfect example about Lance.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Not even remotely. I got no issue with tankle being pessimistic on Trey. I really have no issue with anyone being pessimistic on Trey.

But when every post in every qb thread is a shot even when it's not the topic that doesn't suggest a hope of success.

I think the reason Trey is losing his hair is its running from these weird obsessed fans.

If someone goes to the Kittle thread in a discussion about tight end U and says that won't help Latu at all that would be weirdly obsessive and not even remotely sounding like a guy who hopes he succeeds. See the difference?

People being pessimistic about Lance then being hopeful about Sam is what is nuts in here. Hypocrites

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Not even remotely. I got no issue with tankle being pessimistic on Trey. I really have no issue with anyone being pessimistic on Trey.

But when every post in every qb thread is a shot even when it's not the topic that doesn't suggest a hope of success.

I think the reason Trey is losing his hair is its running from these weird obsessed fans.

If someone goes to the Kittle thread in a discussion about tight end U and says that won't help Latu at all that would be weirdly obsessive and not even remotely sounding like a guy who hopes he succeeds. See the difference?

People being pessimistic about Lance then being hopeful about Sam is what is nuts in here. Hypocrites

lol what's hypocritical about it? I see ppl down on Kinlaw and up on Drake all the time.. I don't see you in those threads shouting hypocrisy from the rooftops.

hypocrite is probably the most overused nonsensical term on here..
you yourself are big on one QB and seemingly down on two of our others from my reading of your material..
I wouldn't say you are a hypocrite, you probably value different traits in what makes a good QB who can benefit our club..

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah man I want Moody to be the best kicker the league has ever had. I thought it was an arrogant pick all the same. You can't tell me we're completely set across the OL or we couldn't use more edge help. s**t I thought the Latu pick was a bit aggressive. IMO that was a reach overall. They could have moved up a couple spots for Darnell Washington. Is what it is now.

A kicker doesn't get the chance to develop like other positions. You don't get to miss a bunch of FGs and keep your job. The mental side of it is hard to evaluate. Plain and simple. We're a SB roster with a rookie kicker. I mean you'd think they would want some steady vet with playoff experience?

I'm not actively rooting against a kicker lol. Anyone thinking that needs to go take a TO from here. That's dumb s**t. I simply said it was a ridiculous pick. I don't hate the player or anything. I want him to be good…agreed perfect example about Lance.

That kicker might end up scoring more points for us than any one player on this team this year. If he's scoring points he's gonna justify his draft position. If he gets us wins he's going to be worth everything spent on him

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
That kicker might end up scoring more points for us than any one player on this team this year. If he's scoring points he's gonna justify his draft position. If he gets us wins he's going to be worth everything spent on him

99% of kickers score more pts then anyone on the team. 5 kickers have been drafted in the top 100 since 2000. If it was that important of a position, more guys would taken in the top 100, let alone just being drafted.

He's gotta be elite to be worth it and it's damn near impossible to figure that out via scouting because it's such a mental position.

the most accurate kickers in history weren't even drafted.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol what's hypocritical about it? I see ppl down on Kinlaw and up on Drake all the time.. I don't see you in those threads shouting hypocrisy from the rooftops.

hypocrite is probably the most overused nonsensical term on here..
you yourself are big on one QB and seemingly down on two of our others from my reading of your material..
I wouldn't say you are a hypocrite, you probably value different traits in what makes a good QB who can benefit our club..

Who's saying anything about Drake? I haven't read one person calling him a bust or his time here is coming up. Kinlaw at the very least has more games under his belt compared to Lance. I'm in this thread talking about the QBs and you're just deflecting like always.

you clearly don't even know what the word hypothetical is if you don't see the issue here. Yeah Lance's time is coming up because you know 100 passing attempts BUT Sam? Oh man he just needs a chance. It's not like he's been in the league for 5 f**king years playing s**t football. Give me break with your nonsense. I can't keep having this convo with you. I'm done

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
That kicker might end up scoring more points for us than any one player on this team this year. If he's scoring points he's gonna justify his draft position. If he gets us wins he's going to be worth everything spent on him

99% of kickers score more pts then anyone on the team. 5 kickers have been drafted in the top 100 since 2000. If it was that important of a position, more guys would taken in the top 100, let alone just being drafted.

He's gotta be elite to be worth it and it's damn near impossible to figure that out via scouting because it's such a mental position.

the most accurate kickers in history weren't even drafted.

I hear ya, but some of the greatest at almost all positions can be found in later rounds as much as round 1 etc. 99 pick vs 122 isn't the end of the world to me. Now if a viable tackle, center, or guard could have been had.... I wonder but its all a crapshoot and the odds are that guy wasnt starting. It has also been their mo to largely ignore the o-line.

I don't hate any of them.

May the best man win and take us to the Super Bowl is what I really care about.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I hear ya, but some of the greatest at almost all positions can be found in later rounds as much as round 1 etc. 99 pick vs 122 isn't the end of the world to me. Now if a viable tackle, center, or guard could have been had.... I wonder but its all a crapshoot and the odds are that guy wasnt starting. It has also been their mo to largely ignore the o-line.

It was an arrogant pick. It's not gonna make or break anything just another wtf pick from SF. We get a couple of those every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't

This is pretty encouraging....

When Trey Lance takes the field for OTAs next week he'll look different — and throw more efficiently — than the version of Lance who began last year's spring practices.

So say Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch and Jeff Christensen, the private quarterbacks coach who analyzed Lance's throwing motion and worked with him earlier in the offseason. In a phone interview with The Athletic this week, Christensen said Lance's biggest breakthrough came when he stood behind his most famous client, Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, and watched him throw.

"I said, 'Watch this. Watch what he does here,'" Christensen recounted. "It was something I was telling him to do that he wasn't quite doing. And then he saw Patrick apply it perfectly. And I think that visual buy-in, that mental buy-in, helped him past that mental hump."

"And to his credit he just kept getting better," he continued. "(Over) the last seven days, every day was a substantial jump."

Accuracy has been an issue for Lance since the 49ers drafted him No. 3 in 2021. He's completed just 54.9 percent of his passes over his first two seasons, albeit with one of his four starts occurring in uncommonly wet and sloppy conditions in Chicago. Still, that percentage was close to his 54.7 percent mark during the 2022 training camp, which trailed Brock Purdy (69.3 percent) and Nate Sudfeld (73.5 percent).

Purdy is expected to be the team's starter in 2023. But he's currently recovering from elbow surgery and the spring practices will be led by Lance, Sam Darnold and newcomer Brandon Allen.

Shanahan noted that injuries have played a big role in Lance's delivery. He broke his right index finger in the 49ers' preseason finale in 2021, which affected him the rest of his rookie season and which bled into the spring period last year. He was making progress as a thrower when the regular season began, but then suffered a broken ankle in the first quarter of Week 2, ending his season.

The finger and ankle are no longer issues.

"He was able to get such a better base in these last two months that I think Trey is the best that we've (seen) him right now," Shanahan said earlier this month. "Yeah, we've got to get into OTAs and practice, but when you watch his feet, his timing, how he's throwing the ball, he's in such a better place now than he was last year at this time."

Christensen said Lance's retooled motion also has addressed another long-running issue: arm soreness.

When they first started working together in early March, Lance's arm would become tender after three days of intense work and he'd need to take a day off for rest and treatment. That doesn't happen to quarterbacks who have the right technique, Christensen said. For example, he's been working with Raiders rookie quarterback Aidan O'Connell since O'Connell was 12 and he's never had to ice his arm.

By the end of their time together, the problem had improved. Christensen said his lessons with Lance, which were held in the Dallas area, wrapped up with a particularly vigorous session, one in which Lance threw 150 balls. The quarterback left for the Bay Area that night certain he was going to be in pain the next day.

"And I called him in 'Frisco on Saturday at noon," he said. "And he thought for sure his arm would be killing him. And I said, 'OK, how's your arm?' He said, 'I cannot believe I woke up and it was not sore at all.'"

Asked if Lance has had any soreness issues since the 49ers offseason program began in mid-April, Christensen said, "zero."

The issues with Lance's throwing motion initially were substantial. Christensen said it usually takes him a day to diagnose what's wrong with a quarterback's delivery. With Lance, it took four days. But once he figured out the root cause, there was steady progress. Lance's accuracy improved, the spin on the ball increased and the delivery time became shorter.

Christensen credited Lance with being eager to learn and to push himself through the awkward phase every passer experiences when he's trying something new.

"It's a different feeling and it can be kind of weird," he said. "And it can be kind of scary. And so it's a whole different feeling when the ball leaves your finger. To his credit, he slowly kept applying and kept believing."

Christensen has coached nearly 200 college and NFL quarterbacks over his career, including Jimmy Garoppolo, Kirk Cousins and Ryan Tannehill. He said Lance reminded him of his most well-known client, Mahomes, in terms of competitiveness and demeanor. It's one of the reasons he had Lance and Mahomes train together during some of the sessions.

"He really fit right in," he said. "Pat really thinks the world of him. He's just a really good person, conscientious. He wants to be great. And he's one of the few kids whose actions match his words. He backs it up. He shows up every day and he wants to learn. And that's why I teach him."

Christensen said the two quarterbacks spent time on the field together, but that it didn't go much beyond that.

"Not yet," he said. "I mean, Patrick's got two babies now. He's changing diapers and burping babies and chasing dogs and hitting golf balls and trying to keep up with Travis Kelce. So he's a little busy."

He cautioned that his work with Lance isn't a one-time fix. All quarterbacks, including Mahomes, are constantly working on and tweaking their technique. Christensen considers it a positive if he resumes working with a quarterback early in the offseason and there's only been a 15 percent dropoff in efficiency.

"It's a constant battle," he said.

Still, he said Lance's progress was encouraging.

"Where he wound up on the last day — he was 25 percent ahead of where I thought he'd be," he said.

He also said he thinks Shanahan is in the same category as Chiefs' head coach Andy Reid when it comes to play calling, which makes the pairing with Lance especially intriguing.

"With his play calling and this kid's upside and ability, I think he can be incredible," he said.

49ers' Trey Lance made 'substantial jump' working alongside Patrick Mahomes - The Athletic

Originally posted by NYniner85:
99% of kickers score more pts then anyone on the team. 5 kickers have been drafted in the top 100 since 2000. If it was that important of a position, more guys would taken in the top 100, let alone just being drafted.

He's gotta be elite to be worth it and it's damn near impossible to figure that out via scouting because it's such a mental position.

the most accurate kickers in history weren't even drafted.

If he's a ten year kicker for us or even a five year kicker he will have justified his spot considering all the other third rd picks we've drafted and cut r traded these last few years. We had to have a good affordable kicker and he seems like the best option for us right now