Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
True. If Sam or Trey play excellent, Purdy's trade value will probably go down some. The wiser move would be just to keep all of them, since they're cost controlled. Until one of them gets a big contract.

May as well keep all 3. Chances are at least 1 gets injured given past history.
I would rather have a option for backup instead of being stuck with a guy thats sucking.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
True. If Sam or Trey play excellent, Purdy's trade value will probably go down some. The wiser move would be just to keep all of them, since they're cost controlled. Until one of them gets a big contract.

May as well keep all 3. Chances are at least 1 gets injured given past history.
I would rather have a option for backup instead of being stuck with a guy thats sucking.

Yeah, only way I'd trade Lance is if I got the compensation I desired for him. Otherwise, keep him and continue to develop him. If he injuries happen, then get him in there and see what happens.

i wouldn't trade him for cheap though. Not until I saw another season of Purdy

this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Exactly! Damn near 2 years later and we are talking about it being fully healthy.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Exactly! Damn near 2 years later and we are talking about it being fully healthy.

so basically, would it be accurate to say, that he has not been fully healthy a single time in two years for one regular season game?

finger gate.... looks like a cover up

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Exactly! Damn near 2 years later and we are talking about it being fully healthy.

so basically, would it be accurate to say, that he has not been fully healthy a single time in two years for one regular season game?

Pretty much which gives me some serious Jimmy G vibes lol

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
finger gate.... looks like a cover up

one the one hand, if he's fully healthy he can look leaps better than what he was

on the other hand, it does seem like a sick joke that the guy we drafted to be more durable than JG is 0 for 34 in terms of being healthy for a single game
i think the injury history on TL impacts his usage going forward, not sure how it couldn't, ball out quick, keep him away from contact

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

True. If Sam or Trey play excellent, Purdy's trade value will probably go down some. The wiser move would be just to keep all of them, since they're cost controlled. Until one of them gets a big contract.

May as well keep all 3. Chances are at least 1 gets injured given past history.
I would rather have a option for backup instead of being stuck with a guy thats sucking.

Yeah, only way I'd trade Lance is if I got the compensation I desired for him. Otherwise, keep him and continue to develop him. If he injuries happen, then get him in there and see what happens.

i wouldn't trade him for cheap though. Not until I saw another season of Purdy

Agreed 100%. What if something happens again? Or he falters? I hope that doesn't happen, and while I don't expect him to play bad, we can't know.

I know I've been really vocal as a non-believer in Sam Darnold. I just don't buy that a change of scenery will help him. Some might say, well look at what happened with Alex Smith. To me, this does not feel like an Alex Smith situation. I'm sure we all could argue here about who had it worse and talk statistical similarities, but I'm not even gonna get into that. I don't feel Sam's issues stem from his situation. I do not see a guy with an "IT" factor or the same level of playmaking talent that Lance or Purdy has. THAT SAID, do I think it's IMPOSSIBLE? NO. I won't go that far. Just my expectation is that he enters the year as the clear #3.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
True. If Sam or Trey play excellent, Purdy's trade value will probably go down some. The wiser move would be just to keep all of them, since they're cost controlled. Until one of them gets a big contract.

May as well keep all 3. Chances are at least 1 gets injured given past history.
I would rather have a option for backup instead of being stuck with a guy thats sucking.

Yeah, only way I'd trade Lance is if I got the compensation I desired for him. Otherwise, keep him and continue to develop him. If he injuries happen, then get him in there and see what happens.

i wouldn't trade him for cheap though. Not until I saw another season of Purdy

Agreed 100%. What if something happens again? Or he falters? I hope that doesn't happen, and while I don't expect him to play bad, we can't know.

I know I've been really vocal as a non-believer in Sam Darnold. I just don't buy that a change of scenery will help him. Some might say, well look at what happened with Alex Smith. To me, this does not feel like an Alex Smith situation. I'm sure we all could argue here about who had it worse and talk statistical similarities, but I'm not even gonna get into that. I don't feel Sam's issues stem from his situation. I do not see a guy with an "IT" factor or the same level of playmaking talent that Lance has. THAT SAID, do I think it's IMPOSSIBLE? NO. I won't go that far. Just my expectation is that he enters the year as the clear #3.

throw on the Darnold tape, he moves like Purdy back there and can throw from a variety of arm slots, like BP does, he's a playmaker

Darnold to me is a combination of Lance and Brock he has some traits of both, BPs off schedule playmaking with the stronger arm you see with Lance.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Based on what Kyle said, it isn't that it didn't heal, the bone healed wrong. So his finger essentially healed broken. He couldn't close his finger properly, which impacted his grip.

he spent a lot of the 2022 off season working on his grip to try and grip it properly.

My question is how did he fix it and why didn't he do it earlier? If he didn't understand it, tried to power through it, I get it.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Based on what Kyle said, it isn't that it didn't heal, the bone healed wrong. So his finger essentially healed broken. He couldn't close his finger properly, which impacted his grip.

he spent a lot of the 2022 off season working on his grip to try and grip it properly.

My question is how did he fix it and why didn't he do it earlier? If he didn't understand it, tried to power through it, I get it.

as I research the news of welp it's finally healed is recent, so yeah I think it healed wrong and it wasn't right from preseason 2021 to now, meaning he's never been 100% for us

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
No, I understand what you're saying. The evaluation of the player is independent. Doesn't change the fact that the post sucks.

Because it's either a contradiction or not a point that's applicable across the board. How good can a post be if you can't apply the same rule to every prospect? To explain further, if a player can still be a good prospect while having a loaded roster compared to his competition, doesn't that make his point kind of irrelevant? Why does it matter if he was surrounded with lots of talent? The original topic was who's had to deal with more adversity. So because Trey played with lots of talent, that means Trey had everything handed to him?

Bad posts gets an "LOL" from me. Sorry.

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying.

Start with the assumption you're making that he didn't apply the same standard when evaluating Mac Jones. Then try to understand the basis for his preference for Jones, which has little to nothing to do with whether or not he thought either of them benefited from the talent around them. His preference for Jones also has nothing to do with the conversation.

It's a hell of a lot easier to simplify or misappropriate somebody else's argument than it is to address it substantively. Don't let me stop you from taking potshots though.

Smokey, you know damn well someone saying "the irony" is not even close to the worst example of misappropriation in this thread. I thought it was funny, that's it, you're the one trying to make this into a gotcha moment. I like some of Krizay's posts and others of his that I don't like, but he's come into the Trey thread to mock Trey often, I don't see you calling out those posts for hypocrisy, it's no secret why not. Personally, I don't have animosity towards Mac Jones like other posters do towards Trey. And yes, you can have an independent projection of a player, so even if it's technically not a hypocritical post, it was funny, and the point made was not a good one since being in a good program says virtually nothing about your personal adversity or lack there of.

It's also hilarious that you're trying to say there's a one way crusade from a select group of posters, when all you've done this offseason was lead a group of posters to believe any negative report about Trey, put limitations on Trey's future, repeatedly beat a dead horse that you don't believe in Trey's ability, and mock others who do the same for Brock or Sam.

Meanwhile I've been saying from the beginning that we don't know how Trey will perform given adequate playing time, I've repeatedly stated I don't thinks it's fair to assume Trey would outperform Jimmy, or that he has a higher ceiling than Purdy, I said it's perfectly reasonable to not believe in Trey and to criticize him for missing throws vs Chicago, and I've repeatedly said that I believe in Brock, so much so that it wouldn't bother me at all if Brock played every snap from here on out. I would be thrilled in fact because that means he's healthy and playing well.

Unlike you, I don't make definitive claims a young QB with 3 starts, I don't have over half of my posts in a thread of a player I don't believe in (which might be a record btw), and yet you're the one accusing others of having an agenda.

So sure, Krizay's post isn't technically hypocritical, but even mentioning a one way crusade and lumping me in there… is 100% hypocritical.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this finger news do we know the timeline? so basically he hurt the finger, what in preseason 2021? when did it fully heal exactly? help me out here

Based on what Kyle said, it isn't that it didn't heal, the bone healed wrong. So his finger essentially healed broken. He couldn't close his finger properly, which impacted his grip.

he spent a lot of the 2022 off season working on his grip to try and grip it properly.

My question is how did he fix it and why didn't he do it earlier? If he didn't understand it, tried to power through it, I get it.

as I research the news of welp it's finally healed is recent, so yeah I think it healed wrong and it wasn't right from preseason 2021 to now, meaning he's never been 100% for us

Exactly, which is why I've eased up on him and become more optimistic. Gives me hope his accuracy issues aren't as bad as they seemed etc.

it really made me look at him in a much more positive light. I'm expecting a lot of improvement from him, much more so than before I knew he was injured.

That type of injury can cause serious problems overall. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially with his newly improved mechanics.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Smokey, you know damn well someone saying "the irony" is not even close to the worst example of misappropriation in this thread. I thought it was funny, that's it, you're the one trying to make this into a gotcha moment. I like some of Krizay's posts and others of his that I don't like, but he's come into the Trey thread to mock Trey often, I don't see you calling out those posts for hypocrisy, it's no secret why not. Personally, I don't have animosity towards Mac Jones like other posters do towards Trey. And yes, you can have an independent projection of a player, so even if it's technically not a hypocritical post, it was funny, and the point made was not a good one since being in a good program says virtually nothing about your personal adversity or lack there of.

It's also hilarious that you're trying to say there's a one way crusade from a select group of posters, when all you've done this offseason was lead a group of posters to believe any negative report about Trey, put limitations on Trey's future, repeatedly beat a dead horse that you don't believe in Trey's ability, and mock others who do the same for Brock or Sam.

Meanwhile I've been saying from the beginning that we don't know how Trey will perform given adequate playing time, I've repeatedly stated I don't thinks it's fair to assume Trey would outperform Jimmy, or that he has a higher ceiling than Purdy, I said it's perfectly reasonable to not believe in Trey and to criticize him for missing throws vs Chicago, and I've repeatedly said that I believe in Brock, so much so that it wouldn't bother me at all if Brock played every snap from here on out. I would be thrilled in fact because that means he's healthy and playing well.

Unlike you, I don't make definitive claims a young QB with 3 starts, I don't have over half of my posts in a thread of a player I don't believe in (which might be a record btw), and yet you're the one accusing others of having an agenda.

So sure, Krizay's post isn't technically hypocritical, but even mentioning a one way crusade and lumping me in there… is 100% hypocritical.

Over half his posts on this forum are in this thread?

Good Lord

Co-sign everything else you said.