Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:
No, I understand what you're saying. The evaluation of the player is independent. Doesn't change the fact that the post sucks.

Because it's either a contradiction or not a point that's applicable across the board. How good can a post be if you can't apply the same rule to every prospect? To explain further, if a player can still be a good prospect while having a loaded roster compared to his competition, doesn't that make his point kind of irrelevant? Why does it matter if he was surrounded with lots of talent? The original topic was who's had to deal with more adversity. So because Trey played with lots of talent, that means Trey had everything handed to him?

Bad posts gets an "LOL" from me. Sorry.

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying.

Start with the assumption you're making that he didn't apply the same standard when evaluating Mac Jones. Then try to understand the basis for his preference for Jones, which has little to nothing to do with whether or not he thought either of them benefited from the talent around them. His preference for Jones also has nothing to do with the conversation.

It's a hell of a lot easier to simplify or misappropriate somebody else's argument than it is to address it substantively. Don't let me stop you from taking potshots though.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I was big on Fields. Although he isn't my prototypical QB preference, I thought he was exactly what Kyle was saying he desired. I thought/think Mac would of done really well here but that we would of had the same issues with limitations as we did with Jimmy. Accuracy is huge when it comes to my opinions on QBs and their potential, so I get what you're saying.

i didn't realize mac was as much as a issue as he has been, then again, pats shafted him last season with his coaches. Lol

purdy is much more my ideal preference for playing qb. Maybe if he was slightly taller and had more velocity in his throws, but outside of that - his playing style and personality is along the lines of ideal to me. Just have to hope he's consistent. I still want to see Lance get better and improve, he definitely should

I suspect Fields will make the leap as a passer in 2023

this QB class will actually be pretty strong if Lawrence and Fields are balling, and Mac gets back to form, and if TL makes strides

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Who does it matter if it was or wasn't a gotcha? Why are so many of you so fixated on the gotcha moment?

Shouldn't you be asking the posters who made the 'gotcha' post and then laughed at it this question?

I guess I didn't see it as a gotcha. Hadn't really given it much thought, but looking back now it seems like a popular item here, I just wonder why.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sure it does when he's talking up a player who got to play with 5 first and 3 2nd round picks on his team.

Mac Jones had no business being a first rounder. He was and is Andy Dalton 2.0. Alabama made him. His first sign of adversity and he's tanked.

Do you understand that his preference for Jones was based on how he weighs certain qualities at the QB position?

Do you see how he specifically mentioned accuracy as a positive when evaluating Jones? Or that he didn't like Lance's throwing ability?

What in the hell does that have to do with whether or not either Lance or Jones benefited from talent around them. He's not using it as a basis for his preference.

Always the same crew with this b******t.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I was big on Fields. Although he isn't my prototypical QB preference, I thought he was exactly what Kyle was saying he desired. I thought/think Mac would of done really well here but that we would of had the same issues with limitations as we did with Jimmy. Accuracy is huge when it comes to my opinions on QBs and their potential, so I get what you're saying.

i didn't realize mac was as much as a issue as he has been, then again, pats shafted him last season with his coaches. Lol

purdy is much more my ideal preference for playing qb. Maybe if he was slightly taller and had more velocity in his throws, but outside of that - his playing style and personality is along the lines of ideal to me. Just have to hope he's consistent. I still want to see Lance get better and improve, he definitely should

I suspect Fields will make the leap as a passer in 2023

this QB class will actually be pretty strong if Lawrence and Fields are balling, and Mac gets back to form, and if TL makes strides

I thought fields and Lance were similar in the idea that they were both better runners than quarterbacks, in other words they relied on their ability to run to open their passing lanes. Instead of accurately hitting them if they had to stand in the pocket. i don't like the idea of a qb having to be a run threat to be an effective qb. I just thought fields had the tier 1 speed/quickness/agile etc. I put Lance more in the tier 2, it's above average but not special to me.Lance was more of a bruiser, that's dangerous in the nfl.

i prefer more of the.. can stand in the pocket and carve you up, while also being mobile enough to scramble and make off schedule passes for nice chunk yards.

i hate designed running plays for QBs. They're the most important person on the team, why risk them when you have numerous others players you can design that stuff for. I don't mind qb sneak or a delayed qb run to get a couple of yards. Anything else I don't think is a good idea and you're playing with fire.

For Tank

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
For Tank

The speed of Lamar Jackson
The arm strength of Josh Allen
The accuracy of Drew Brees
The clutchness of Tom Brady

Trey Lance. pic.twitter.com/UGS79pfcii

— 🗣️ (@19solutionz) May 16, 2023

Did they digitally alter his hairline?

You know we're in off-season with tweets like that

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
For Tank

The speed of Lamar Jackson
The arm strength of Josh Allen
The accuracy of Drew Brees
The clutchness of Tom Brady

Trey Lance. pic.twitter.com/UGS79pfcii

— 🗣️ (@19solutionz) May 16, 2023

Lmao I wish.

Only one that might be true, I'm my opinion, is his arm strength one. It's a cannon, for sure.
I've been trying to find any game in his HS or college career where he lead a game winning drive. I only found one but it wasn't really a drive. With 3 minutes left, the rb took it 71 yards to the house. I'm not trying to find stuff to bash him on, I'm just genuinely curious how he did in those situations. I covet the clutch gene in QBs.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
For Tank

The speed of Lamar Jackson
The arm strength of Josh Allen
The accuracy of Drew Brees
The clutchness of Tom Brady

Trey Lance. pic.twitter.com/UGS79pfcii

— 🗣️ (@19solutionz) May 16, 2023

The hair of Derrick White

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The hair of Derrick White

Lol.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Did they digitally alter his hairline?

It grew back since he couldn't run the past couple of months

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao I wish.

Only one that might be true, I'm my opinion, is his arm strength one. It's a cannon, for sure.
I've been trying to find any game in his HS or college career where he lead a game winning drive. I only found one but it wasn't really a drive. With 3 minutes left, the rb took it 71 yards to the house. I'm not trying to find stuff to bash him on, I'm just genuinely curious how he did in those situations. I covet the clutch gene in QBs.

It's definitely a cannon when he's planted and has ample room to make the throw.

I've said this a bunch of times but go back and watch Josh Allen highlights at Wyoming, or even the NFL. Look at the power Allen generates on his throws off platform. Lance hasn't shown anything remotely close to that. The positive is he doesn't have to to be successful. It's not a necessary trait to be a great QB.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao I wish.

Only one that might be true, I'm my opinion, is his arm strength one. It's a cannon, for sure.
I've been trying to find any game in his HS or college career where he lead a game winning drive. I only found one but it wasn't really a drive. With 3 minutes left, the rb took it 71 yards to the house. I'm not trying to find stuff to bash him on, I'm just genuinely curious how he did in those situations. I covet the clutch gene in QBs.

It's definitely a cannon when he's planted and has ample room to make the throw.

I've said this a bunch of times but go back and watch Josh Allen highlights at Wyoming, or even the NFL. Look at the power Allen generates on his throws off platform. Lance hasn't shown anything remotely close to that. The positive is he doesn't have to to be successful. It's not a necessary trait to be a great QB.

Yeah, Allen and Mahommes have that special ability to launch the ball with tons of power and velocity in every way. It's a big reason why mahommes was still good after his high ankle sprain.

trey still has one of the more powerful arms in the league though. Probably top 6 or so at worst

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Oops

It's pretty funny you guys think this is a 'gotcha' moment. Perhaps there's more to a quality projection than the team a player played for. It doesn't say anything about the competition level they or their teams faced and how that impacted their responsibilities.

Why are you just quoting me? I do find it hilarious because it is irony and hypocrisy at its finest.