Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

The irony

LOL

Oops

What am I missing? Lol was he a Mac jones lover or what?

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Oops

It's pretty funny you guys think this is a 'gotcha' moment. Perhaps there's more to a quality projection than the team a player played for. It doesn't say anything about the competition level they or their teams faced and how that impacted their responsibilities.

Originally posted by tankle104:
What am I missing? Lol was he a Mac jones lover or what?

Yea he preferred Jones.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

The irony

LOL

Oops

What am I missing? Lol was he a Mac jones lover or what?

Why yes, I was/am big time fan of accurate throwing QBs. Mac Jones would have been perfect in this offense. For all of the Trey didn't have CMC talk. Imagine Mac playing with what Trey DID HAVE!.

I'd like to point out, I much rather Purdy than either of them and with Mac's shenanigans on the field I would not want him on my team as we sit here today.

Originally posted by krizay:
Why yes, I was/am big time fan of accurate throwing QBs. Mac Jones would have been perfect in this offense. For all of the Trey didn't have CMC talk. Imagine Mac playing with what Trey DID HAVE!.

I'd like to point out, I much rather Purdy than either of them and with Mac's shenanigans on the field I would not want him on my team as we sit here today.

I was never much of a Mac guy I can say, particularly at 3 overall, however I do think he will have a bounce back. Looks like they got the playcalls on O sorted much better this season. Mac legit played well for a season, then had what is known as a sophomore slump.

I like Pats to surprise ppl next season, everyone is talking Jets, meanwhile Pats have one of the great coaches of all time

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Oops

It's pretty funny you guys think this is a 'gotcha' moment. Perhaps there's more to a quality projection than the team a player played for. It doesn't say anything about the competition level they or their teams faced and how that impacted their responsibilities.

I would 100% support Krizay in mocking someone who was making fun of Jones for being surrounded by so much talent in college, IF that poster was a huge believer in Trey.

In fact, I believe I have since I was one of the few who liked both Mac Jones and Trey Lance in the pre draft process.

No one even cares about contradicting themselves in this thread since Lance got hurt in week 2 so he has no equity built up in the fanbase, unlike Jimmy and Purdy.

Trey is a punching bag for a lot of posters... so sorry I don't feel bad for saying LOL

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I would 100% support Krizay in mocking someone who was making fun of Jones for being surrounded by so much talent in college, IF that poster was a huge believer in Trey.

In fact, I believe I have since I was one of the few who liked both Mac Jones and Trey Lance in the pre draft process.

No one even cares about contradicting themselves in this thread since Lance got hurt in week 2 so he has no equity built up in the fanbase, unlike Jimmy and Purdy.

Trey is a punching bag for a lot of posters... so sorry I don't feel bad for saying LOL

You're missing the point. It's a failed 'gotcha' attempt because it doesn't actually expose a contradiction in Krizay's judgement on either player.

If you need further insight, see his last post.

Originally posted by krizay:
Why yes, I was/am big time fan of accurate throwing QBs. Mac Jones would have been perfect in this offense. For all of the Trey didn't have CMC talk. Imagine Mac playing with what Trey DID HAVE!.

I'd like to point out, I much rather Purdy than either of them and with Mac's shenanigans on the field I would not want him on my team as we sit here today.

Oof. I didn't know that, but explains a ton. Were you also a Jimmy G backer? Is all this what has been hurting you so bad?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I would 100% support Krizay in mocking someone who was making fun of Jones for being surrounded by so much talent in college, IF that poster was a huge believer in Trey.

In fact, I believe I have since I was one of the few who liked both Mac Jones and Trey Lance in the pre draft process.

No one even cares about contradicting themselves in this thread since Lance got hurt in week 2 so he has no equity built up in the fanbase, unlike Jimmy and Purdy.

Trey is a punching bag for a lot of posters... so sorry I don't feel bad for saying LOL

You're missing the point. It's a failed 'gotcha' attempt because it doesn't actually expose a contradiction in Krizay's judgement on either player.

If you need further insight, see his last post.

Who does it matter if it was or wasn't a gotcha? Why are so many of you so fixated on the gotcha moment?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I would 100% support Krizay in mocking someone who was making fun of Jones for being surrounded by so much talent in college, IF that poster was a huge believer in Trey.

In fact, I believe I have since I was one of the few who liked both Mac Jones and Trey Lance in the pre draft process.

No one even cares about contradicting themselves in this thread since Lance got hurt in week 2 so he has no equity built up in the fanbase, unlike Jimmy and Purdy.

Trey is a punching bag for a lot of posters... so sorry I don't feel bad for saying LOL

You're missing the point. It's a failed 'gotcha' attempt because it doesn't actually expose a contradiction in Krizay's judgement on either player.

If you need further insight, see his last post.

No, I understand what you're saying. The evaluation of the player is independent. Doesn't change the fact that the post sucks.

Because it's either a contradiction or not a point that's applicable across the board. How good can a post be if you can't apply the same rule to every prospect? To explain further, if a player can still be a good prospect while having a loaded roster compared to his competition, doesn't that make his point kind of irrelevant? Why does it matter if he was surrounded with lots of talent? The original topic was who's had to deal with more adversity. So because Trey played with lots of talent, that means Trey had everything handed to him?

Bad posts gets an "LOL" from me. Sorry.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You're missing the point. It's a failed 'gotcha' attempt because it doesn't actually expose a contradiction in Krizay's judgement on either player.

If you need further insight, see his last post.

Sure it does when he's talking up a player who got to play with 5 first and 3 2nd round picks on his team.

Mac Jones had no business being a first rounder. He was and is Andy Dalton 2.0. Alabama made him. His first sign of adversity and he's tanked.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
No, I understand what you're saying. The evaluation of the player is independent. Doesn't change the fact that the post sucks.

Because it's either a contradiction or not a point that's applicable across the board. How good can a post be if you can't apply the same rule to every prospect? To explain further, if a player can still be a good prospect while having a loaded roster compared to his competition, doesn't that make his point kind of irrelevant? Why does it matter if he was surrounded with lots of talent? The original topic was who's had to deal with more adversity. So because Trey played with lots of talent, that means Trey had everything handed to him?

Bad posts gets an "LOL" from me. Sorry.

Exactly right

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
He got to play for the Alabama of D2. A school that just wins championships. That made him look better than he was

Covid canceled the combine. He didn't have to throw next to the other guys.

He too was drafted to a loaded team with a master mind at OC.

He was also overdrafted with tons of assets being given away which affords him extra opportunities a mid round pick wouldn't be afforded.

The irony

LOL

Oops

What am I missing? Lol was he a Mac jones lover or what?

Why yes, I was/am big time fan of accurate throwing QBs. Mac Jones would have been perfect in this offense. For all of the Trey didn't have CMC talk. Imagine Mac playing with what Trey DID HAVE!.

I'd like to point out, I much rather Purdy than either of them and with Mac's shenanigans on the field I would not want him on my team as we sit here today.

Yeah, I was big on Fields. Although he isn't my prototypical QB preference, I thought he was exactly what Kyle was saying he desired. I thought/think Mac would of done really well here but that we would of had the same issues with limitations as we did with Jimmy. Accuracy is huge when it comes to my opinions on QBs and their potential, so I get what you're saying.

i didn't realize mac was as much as a issue as he has been, then again, pats shafted him last season with his coaches. Lol

purdy is much more my ideal preference for playing qb. Maybe if he was slightly taller and had more velocity in his throws, but outside of that - his playing style and personality is along the lines of ideal to me. Just have to hope he's consistent. I still want to see Lance get better and improve, he definitely should

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Who does it matter if it was or wasn't a gotcha? Why are so many of you so fixated on the gotcha moment?

Shouldn't you be asking the posters who made the 'gotcha' post and then laughed at it this question?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You're missing the point. It's a failed 'gotcha' attempt because it doesn't actually expose a contradiction in Krizay's judgement on either player.

If you need further insight, see his last post.

Sure it does when he's talking up a player who got to play with 5 first and 3 2nd round picks on his team.

Mac Jones had no business being a first rounder. He was and is Andy Dalton 2.0. Alabama made him. His first sign of adversity and he's tanked.

I think the jury is still out on Mac, see how he rebounds with an actual offensive minded offensive coordinator. I wouldn't consider incompetent coaching as "adversity". I catagories it more along the lines of sabotage. He does have a lot to prove though.

it all depends on what you consider "first round talent". There's so much focus on athletic ability these days, and much less on accuracy/touch etc. that I think everyone's opinion slightly differ.

also, depends on your team. I thought Lawrence and Mac were the best picks for the 49ers, key being 49ers, because of our team and offense. You HAVE to be accurate in this system. I thought Wilson was the worst of the bunch, so mentally immature.

i didn't really think Lance was a realistic option because of his accuracy concerns at the time and his inexperience, specifically at a small school/FCS. I thought that trading everything we did for that much unknown was too risky. I thought Lance would need a ton of ingame experience and that he didn't have special mobility like fields does.
I'm still hoping I'm wrong and he balls out.

i thought fields had special mobility, really nice arm, super competitive etc. he had accuracy concerns too but I thought his were much less. Overall, I just thought he was exactly what Kyle was saying he wanted, which I still believe that. I'd love to hear why he didn't really consider him. See what I saw differently.