Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah we'd only trade Lance if the offer is high enough (probably much higher than most "analysts" think). I don't think Purdy is tradable at all right now. He played too well for the 49ers to consider it, unless Trey or Sam actually play extremely well this year too. Both Trey and Darnold have physical talent Purdy doesn't, though. So if either one looks like they might turn the corner, I'm thinking Purdy might actually be the one traded. But probably not until the last year of his contract.

Yeah there is NO way I trade a cheap Purdy with 3 years left on his deal on the cheap even though he is still injured with uncertainty as to what he will be once healed. He is currently if healthy our QB1 according to John and Kyle. That would be foolish. As to Trey, it would require Matt Stafford compensation for what the Niners would likely deem to be a 23 year old franchise guy in the making. Darnold is interesting to have on the roster as well. Still a cheap and potentially very good QB room

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah we'd only trade Lance if the offer is high enough (probably much higher than most "analysts" think). I don't think Purdy is tradable at all right now. He played too well for the 49ers to consider it, unless Trey or Sam actually play extremely well this year too. Both Trey and Darnold have physical talent Purdy doesn't, though. So if either one looks like they might turn the corner, I'm thinking Purdy might actually be the one traded. But probably not until the last year of his contract.

Yeah there is NO way I trade a cheap Purdy with 3 years left on his deal on the cheap even though he is still injured with uncertainty as to what he will be once healed. He is currently if healthy our QB1 according to John and Kyle. That would be foolish. As to Trey, it would require Matt Stafford compensation for what the Niners would likely deem to be a 23 year old franchise guy in the making. Darnold is interesting to have on the roster as well. Still a cheap and potentially very good QB room

Ya I see zero reason to change the QBs in the room.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Incorrect - cam Newton left Florida to play at a JUCO where he had 204 pass attempts. So he had nearly 500 pass attempts in college. In highschool he threw for approx 2,600 yards as a senior. Trey had 1100 in his junior and senior year combined. I bring up hs stats because it shows experience. Especially if you played at a good program. It's relevant when you're as inexperienced as Trey is. It's astonishing how little experience he has playing qb. It's literally historical. cam had more experience before he entered the nfl than Lance does in his entire life, including his nfl reps as heads into his third year.

it's very fair to wonder how many reps he needs before he can get up to speed as someone Iike Purdy who had 900 pass attempts in highschool alone. Another 1,600 in college. those reps all matter. All ties into studying your own film and experience leading an offense and the ups/downs of playing qb in general.

cam Newton had a ton more reps in his life by the time he entered the NFL than Lance. Not even close. Also, cam was an exceptionally better athlete than Lance. That isn't a knock on Lance, cam was just special. He was the best player in the country in JUCO and best player in college football in general at Auburn

he also wasn't very good in the nfl, specially as a passer. If you break down his MVP season, 75% of his touchdowns came in 4 games (25%of the season) and was 1-1 TD-INT in 75% of the season. You can add in his rushing stuff but as a QB, he was never anything worth discussing. In 11 seasons, he had what 3 seasons where he was good? No thanks. Lol there is a reason why as he aged, he became useless as a QB. No one will even sign him rn. If Lance is anything like Cam, it'll be a major disappointment in my eyes. He isnt someone worth emulating.

i want Lance or Purdy to be a HOF caliber player. Not a glorified running back like Cam was. If anytbing, his inexperience as a Qb throwing the ball worries me even more. When the question "will Cam Newton make the HOF?" Is something laughed at and a "hell no". - I don't want Lance or Purdy to follow his in his footsteps. Lol

I don't give a crap about HS football snaps. One read and run s**t. If you thinks that's valuable more power to ya. I don't see that as some meaningful thing in regards to making a QB vastly better.

cam went to a SB and won a MVP. Say what you will but he was a good QB. Injuries crushed him. Nowhere am I comparing lance to Cam. Just pointing out he didn't play much football before going #1. So you can toss that debate in the trash, there isn't one.

I can also point out QBs who had a TON of reps before stepping into the league and played poorly before finally figuring it out. Everyone is different.

IMO having a ton of reps prior can help in the short-term. Once the more talented player gets those needed reps and becomes more confident in their reads then all that s**t goes out the window….that player (whomever it is) needs to get to that point and sometimes it never happens for many reasons.

Let's say that Brock won't be ready until , say, game 4. If we go 4-0, and Lance is balling and a major reason why we're 4-0, does Shanny stay with the "hot hand", or should Shanny go with Brock regardless? Personally, I'm hoping for a bit of a QB controversy because that would mean we're getting very good QB play.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Let's say that Brock won't be ready until , say, game 4. If we go 4-0, and Lance is balling and a major reason why we're 4-0, does Shanny stay with the "hot hand", or should Shanny go with Brock regardless? Personally, I'm hoping for a bit of a QB controversy because that would mean we're getting very good QB play.

Sure a QB controversy is nice but even the players will want a definitive answer if it drags on. This is what happened between Montana/Young for the 1988 season when the players forced Walsh's hand and he went with Montana.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Let's say that Brock won't be ready until , say, game 4. If we go 4-0, and Lance is balling and a major reason why we're 4-0, does Shanny stay with the "hot hand", or should Shanny go with Brock regardless? Personally, I'm hoping for a bit of a QB controversy because that would mean we're getting very good QB play.

IMO if one of Darnold/Lance is crushing it in camp, showing they're in command of the offense and locker room they probably get that first shot WK1. If Brock comes back with plenty of time in camp to establish himself as the same dude as last yr with zero rust & mentally/physically he's there. Then he probably is the WK1 starter.

I don't think any of our QBs have a long leash in-season…in your scenario, I don't see how you would move off either QB if they're 4-0 and playing good football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't give a crap about HS football snaps. One read and run s**t. If you thinks that's valuable more power to ya. I don't see that as some meaningful thing in regards to making a QB vastly better.

cam went to a SB and won a MVP. Say what you will but he was a good QB. Injuries crushed him. Nowhere am I comparing lance to Cam. Just pointing out he didn't play much football before going #1. So you can toss that debate in the trash, there isn't one.

I can also point out QBs who had a TON of reps before stepping into the league and played poorly before finally figuring it out. Everyone is different.

IMO having a ton of reps prior can help in the short-term. Once the more talented player gets those needed reps and becomes more confident in their reads then all that s**t goes out the window….that player (whomever it is) needs to get to that point and sometimes it never happens for many reasons.

Comparing Cam's experience level to Trey's feels pretty disingenuous to me. Cam won a junior college national championship the year before he won the D1 national championship at Auburn. JUCO experience isn't groundbreaking, but it's another full year of playing time he had prior to being drafted, not to mention there's no comparison between playing in the SEC and winning a national championship at the D1 level and winning one at NDSU. Cam had more experience and his primary experience was at the highest level of college football.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't give a crap about HS football snaps. One read and run s**t. If you thinks that's valuable more power to ya. I don't see that as some meaningful thing in regards to making a QB vastly better.

cam went to a SB and won a MVP. Say what you will but he was a good QB. Injuries crushed him. Nowhere am I comparing lance to Cam. Just pointing out he didn't play much football before going #1. So you can toss that debate in the trash, there isn't one.

I can also point out QBs who had a TON of reps before stepping into the league and played poorly before finally figuring it out. Everyone is different.

IMO having a ton of reps prior can help in the short-term. Once the more talented player gets those needed reps and becomes more confident in their reads then all that s**t goes out the window….that player (whomever it is) needs to get to that point and sometimes it never happens for many reasons.

Comparing Cam's experience level to Trey's feels pretty disingenuous to me. Cam won a junior college national championship the year before he won the D1 national championship at Auburn. JUCO experience isn't groundbreaking, but it's another full year of playing time he had prior to being drafted, not to mention there's no comparison between playing in the SEC and winning a national championship at the D1 level and winning one at NDSU. Cam had more experience and his primary experience was at the highest level of college football.

NOT only that he's very young and super raw, Baby Face last played a full season was when ???... 4 years go already?

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Let's say that Brock won't be ready until , say, game 4. If we go 4-0, and Lance is balling and a major reason why we're 4-0, does Shanny stay with the "hot hand", or should Shanny go with Brock regardless? Personally, I'm hoping for a bit of a QB controversy because that would mean we're getting very good QB play.

you are getting ahead of things, if BP isnt ready, is it TL or Sam, that's what this offseason is about.. I don't just assume it's TL as next man up, he has to earn it

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah we'd only trade Lance if the offer is high enough (probably much higher than most "analysts" think). I don't think Purdy is tradable at all right now. He played too well for the 49ers to consider it, unless Trey or Sam actually play extremely well this year too. Both Trey and Darnold have physical talent Purdy doesn't, though. So if either one looks like they might turn the corner, I'm thinking Purdy might actually be the one traded. But probably not until the last year of his contract.

I don't think Darnold has better physical talent than Purdy.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yeah we'd only trade Lance if the offer is high enough (probably much higher than most "analysts" think). I don't think Purdy is tradable at all right now. He played too well for the 49ers to consider it, unless Trey or Sam actually play extremely well this year too. Both Trey and Darnold have physical talent Purdy doesn't, though. So if either one looks like they might turn the corner, I'm thinking Purdy might actually be the one traded. But probably not until the last year of his contract.

I don't think Darnold has better physical talent than Purdy.

and yet "Sam Darnold might be — can I say this — the most talented thrower of the football that the 49ers have ever had," NBC Sports San Francisco reporter Matt Maiocco said during a Thursday appearance on KNBR's "Murph & Mac Podcast.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Let's say that Brock won't be ready until , say, game 4. If we go 4-0, and Lance is balling and a major reason why we're 4-0, does Shanny stay with the "hot hand", or should Shanny go with Brock regardless? Personally, I'm hoping for a bit of a QB controversy because that would mean we're getting very good QB play.

You most definitely stay with Trey Lance if the 9ers start 4-0. And that goes for any QB that starts off 4-0.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you are getting ahead of things, if BP isnt ready, is it TL or Sam, that's what this offseason is about.. I don't just assume it's TL as next man up, he has to earn it

Well there's your first mistake, there's no question Trey will beat out Sam flipn Darnold. Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Let's say that Brock won't be ready until , say, game 4. If we go 4-0, and Lance is balling and a major reason why we're 4-0, does Shanny stay with the "hot hand", or should Shanny go with Brock regardless? Personally, I'm hoping for a bit of a QB controversy because that would mean we're getting very good QB play.

You most definitely stay with Trey Lance if the 9ers start 4-0. And that goes for any QB that starts off 4-0.

the old ride the hot hand quote takes me back to 2012.. that's over 10 years ago.. time is flying folks

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
and yet "Sam Darnold might be — can I say this — the most talented thrower of the football that the 49ers have ever had," NBC Sports San Francisco reporter Matt Maiocco said during a Thursday appearance on KNBR's "Murph & Mac Podcast.

Especially to the other team